September 05, 2016

3 lessons for Ontario’s PC Party

Brian LilleyRebel Co-Founder
 

It’s been an interesting week for Patrick Brown and the PCs. They had a big flip-flop, an apology tour and a week of disastrous press and yet they still won the by-election in Scarborough-Rouge River.

In a decisive victory, Raymond Cho took 38 per cent of the vote to the Liberals 28 per cent, but it was a tough week nonetheless.

Watch as I offer Patrick Brown three lessons he can take away from this by-election experience to better prepare for the next general election.

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commented 2016-09-06 01:28:19 -0400
“Bill Elder commented 2 hours ago
Andrew Stephenson commented – "Yeah, but that “base” isn’t big enough to actually win elections. "
Like I said only talking sphincters deny the PC core conservatism is unpopular with the shades of blue in the CPC tent. "

I never said they weren’t, only that that tent doesn’t hold enough to win elections. You need to win Toronto, and “core conservatives” are scare as hens teeth there.

Perhaps you should spend a bit less time worrying over creative epithets, and more worrying over political strategy, you’d realize that.
commented 2016-09-05 23:51:53 -0400
Andrew Stephenson commented – "Yeah, but that “base” isn’t big enough to actually win elections. "
Like I said only talking sphincters deny the PC core conservatism is unpopular with the shades of blue in the CPC tent.
commented 2016-09-05 22:20:15 -0400
The provincial PC Party in Ontario shot themselves in the back when they joined with the Liberals to make Ontario an officially bilingual province by passing the French Language Services Act in French behind a news blackout. This unnecessary, disgusting and racist move cost them many supporters and donors. MLAs were not allowed to vote against the bill. All they were allowed to do was be absent on the day the bill was passed. The Ontario PC party has become a second Liberal Party. They do not have a chance of forming another government in Ontario.
commented 2016-09-05 19:03:30 -0400
Andrew Stephenson actually agree with some of what you say, but if we had an honest media like we should have , the tide would not be so turned to the left. As i have said before what is so great about having the left in charge anyways? I had to have emergency surgery because wait times are more than double now and we are going to have 20 billion in debt added. What is the great advantage?
commented 2016-09-05 16:48:25 -0400
Brent Mc….exactly! Whenever that word is used, it is code for we know better than you. Your money, land, soul etc. will belong to the government. Only the low information voter will fall for that rhetoric, hence the ndp being at the helm.
commented 2016-09-05 16:22:36 -0400
Stelmach /Redford/and the last twerp that ran for PC’s are NDP in drag! So voting PC now would be just the same as the treasonests NDP socialist Marxists in charge now! And further more we have been sold out to the UN lock stock and barrel! It’s called Sustainabilty as dictated by unelected despots backed by NATO! Geez!
commented 2016-09-05 16:07:17 -0400
D.Jerome Hauk – I too reside in AB, and I’m hoping and praying that Jason Kenney takes over the PC’s and boots out the liberals who are hiding in that party. And then I hope they can come together with the WR to defeat the communist NDP party.
commented 2016-09-05 15:37:24 -0400
Andrew Stephenson commented 2 hours ago
“Ndp Sucks commented 1 hour ago
Hey Andy Stephenson

You are fire hosing your BS again. The people of Scarborough are very concerned about Wynne’s degenerate and perverted sex ed policy. That is why it was a protest vote against Wynnie."

How was it a protest vote when Brown very publicly came out in favour of that same curriculum?

Brown flip flopped several times. His last official position supported Wynne while at the same time the party sent out 13,000 letters to the voters opposing the government policy. Brown got lucky on the vote be he has egg on his face now. I thought you were paying attention.
commented 2016-09-05 15:06:53 -0400
Brian, the lesson learned is that the PCs need a new leader and clear house of those ‘progressives’ (CINOs) at the top who are pulling the strings.
commented 2016-09-05 14:49:54 -0400
Deborah G: " Patrick is a Liberal clone." We cons in AB are desperately trying to remove the “Progressive” from the title. If that requires the creation of a new Party, so be it. We have to get rid of the Liberals-in-sheeps’-clothing for that to happen.
commented 2016-09-05 13:25:28 -0400
“Ndp Sucks commented 1 hour ago
Hey Andy Stephenson

You are fire hosing your BS again. The people of Scarborough are very concerned about Wynne’s degenerate and perverted sex ed policy. That is why it was a protest vote against Wynnie."

How was it a protest vote when Brown very publicly came out in favour of that same curriculum?
commented 2016-09-05 13:17:48 -0400
“Bill Elder commented 18 mins ago
If you listen to talking sphincters wo tell you you must be a liberal in blue clothing to win, you will lose badly because “firebrand conservatives” represent the majority og the right of center voter base. "

Yeah, but that “base” isn’t big enough to actually win elections. They are heavily concentrated in ridings the PC already hold, and relatively sparse in the swing ridings they need to win.

That’s where the “liberal lite” comes in. It’s basic political strategy. You can take the Base’s support for granted; even if they lose a few vote the margins they hold their core ridings by are so huge that it’s not a threat to their safe seats to take it for granted and lose a few voters along the way.

Meanwhile, to win those coveted suburban ridings, they do have to move to the middle. It’s not the people that show up to rallies you’re trying to get on-side; again you can take those for granted. It’s the apathetic centrists that only pay casual attention to poltiics who you need to get onside. Those swing voters are not at rallies, and they’re not interested in far-right policies. His U-turn on sex ed, and acknowledgement of carbon tax, is a deliberate play to these swing votes who until now have gone to the Liberals, because the PCs until now have not offered a decent alternative that still supports their priorities.

That’s why Brown is waffling to the middle. The rural base seats are pretty safe no matter what, it’s the suburban swing seats that are currently held by the Liberals he’s after. To win them, you have to offer policies palatable to the middle or left-leaning voters in those ridings.
commented 2016-09-05 12:52:59 -0400
If you listen to talking sphincters wo tell you you must be a liberal in blue clothing to win, you will lose badly because “firebrand conservatives” represent the majority og the right of center voter base.

To argue the negative is to betray the fact you have never attended a conservative political event/convention.
commented 2016-09-05 12:20:38 -0400
It is not enough that the PCs win a by-election which should have been an easy win against the most unpopular government in Ontario’s history , (which was the valid point Brian Lilley was trying to make for all of those who have their heads screwed on tightly); but, they also have to mount and exhibit the consistency of platform necessary to win a general election. This involves, among other things, adopting CONSERVATIVE (read sane) policies on the important issues of the day and then sticking with them.

Sadly, their current leader (?), Patrick Brown, is all over the proverbial map. He supports a carbon tax (Hello?) which flies in the face of all common sense; while incomprehensibly, supporting the perverted Wynne/Levin sex-ed program.

When will the PCs finally acknowledge that they made a hideous mistake electing a ‘Liberal lite’ (read profoundly confused) leader and do the right thing and kick him out and start again. They will continue to wander in the political wilderness until they have the good sense to cut their losses and start again.
commented 2016-09-05 12:06:02 -0400
Hey Andy Stephenson

You are fire hosing your BS again. The people of Scarborough are very concerned about Wynne’s degenerate and perverted sex ed policy. That is why it was a protest vote against Wynnie. Most people couldn’t care less about fiscal policy as long as their bread is being buttered. Thanks to the media and constant stream of lies from the Wynnie gang Ontario is only one flush away from going down the toilet. Bankruptcy is the only thing that will get people to pay attention.
commented 2016-09-05 11:41:24 -0400
He won. What lessons need to be taken?

The Far Right may be disappointed that he’s not a firebrand Big c Conservative, but Big C doesn’t sell. Brown can only win if he attracts the centrist swing voters from suburban ridings who are tired of Wynne, but who are uninterested in far-right policies.

His victory in Scarborough tells you he did exactly what he needs to.
commented 2016-09-05 11:30:45 -0400
Keep it simple! Just replace one failed leftard’s name with another.

“Recession is when your neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours. And recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his.”
- R. Reagan
commented 2016-09-05 11:27:49 -0400
Everyone knows the Wynne Liberals are a huge disappointment to the electorate, including their own base. Unfortunately, Patrick Brown is the wrong person to look to as an alternative. His wishy-washy old-school politics could result in a Liberal minority government (with NDP support ) as she takes Ontario further down the road to disaster. The PC’s need a leadership review within 6 months! Define policies and hammer on the issues of Liberal waste and corruption that voters understand. Keep it simple. Hopefully, new leadership blood will appear and the tide will turn for the PC’s.
commented 2016-09-05 11:20:49 -0400
There are three things wrong with your commentary or advice.
You assume they have the skill necessary to win against a very well organized opposition.
The progressives actually study politics and the art of manipulating the public.
The leader of the party has to be smarter than the members or, at least have and listen to an excellent support team.

Comment to Canadians commenting on The American election process. Don’t we are armatures when compared to them. Further, Trump has the larges base of support for a presidential nominee ever. Everything negative you hear about him is from either sore losers, corrupt media and the opposition’s spin machine. He will win by a landslide and Canada will be better off for it.
commented 2016-09-05 11:18:29 -0400
Good commentary/advice Brian. I would add the following tips to PC groupies:

1) Turf Brown NOW and find a solid seasoned leader (O’Leary?) because this guy has tinted the punch for those who are conservatives by paying lip service to leftist insanity like homo sex training in school and carbon taxing – you can’t be trusted and I would stay home rather than voting in a Wynn-light government.

2) Gather the most popular conservative policies and sell them constantly – stay on message, don’t offer any opinion on things outside these few main policies and make ALL conversation with media about Wynns failures.

3) Strategize in advance a workable governing agenda to carry off A) rolling back government, B) rolling back Union extortion and influence on government, c) a way to neutralize MSM attacks
commented 2016-09-05 11:02:48 -0400
While in Ottawa, Patrick Brown was a small fish in a big pond. Now that he is in Toronto, Brown is a big fish in a small pond. Somewhere during the transition Brown was sucked in hook line and sinker. He is now inside the boat and flip flopping like crazy after spitting out the hook. Brown needs a pail of water thrown on him to snap out of his boat trip ride and then tossed unceremoniously back into the pond. Catch and release could be a good lesson for him but he has to start acting like a shark and not a rock bass.
commented 2016-09-05 10:56:29 -0400
Well
There is really only one lesson;
Put forward a candidate that is somewhat electable.
It seems easy enough, but Conservatives throughout the world often have problems doing that.

For example, Donald Trump. Any other republican candidate would probably beat Clinton. But oh no, the Republican base has to nominate the one guy that Clinton can probably beat.

I’m basically a Liberal, but it’s time for Wynn and company to go. Just put forward electable candidates and the PCs will probably win. And those on the fringe of the party?, get a muzzle and tie it as tight as possible until the election is over.

Harper mastered that. Now the Ontario conservatives have to do the same.
commented 2016-09-05 10:51:22 -0400
Patrick Brown looks like a deceptive used car salesman who would try to sell you a piece of junk. Ontariowe won’t be able to get him out as pc leader either. Once they get in there, they see all the free stuff and the power they have and won’t give it up easily.
commented 2016-09-05 10:46:58 -0400
Couldn’t believe my ears last night when traiteress ctv national news interviewed Creepy Mulroney and Rona Ambrose both saying that refugees and immigrants should NOT be asked if they believe in Canadian values etc. I was dumbfounded by Mulroney, I always never trusted him but Ambrose said the same thing. What the hell is going on with these so-called conservatives? OF COURSE, THIS SURE FELL INTO THE MSM’S NARRATIVE, THEY SURE LAPPED IT UP.
commented 2016-09-05 10:39:36 -0400
Ho hum. Another CINO who will be called “far-right” by the leftoids. Keep on searching.
commented 2016-09-05 10:37:05 -0400
Robert Hewgill – He already sold out!
commented 2016-09-05 10:28:58 -0400
This Brown guy looks like he’d sell you out.
commented 2016-09-05 09:36:50 -0400
Patrick is a liberal clone. The only positive sign is that the public want Wynnie gone, but the potential replacement has no intentions of governing as a conservative. He is definitely a weak leader and not leadership material at all, in my opinion. There must be a better way to vet potential candidates for election. Poor, corrupt leadership, and party members that want to implement the agenda, could careless that our society is crumbling before our eyes. Patrick has been paid off by those with the agenda. He should step down, and the be replaced with an actual conservative leader. One who will lead, not follow!
commented 2016-09-05 09:36:49 -0400
Patrick is a liberal clone. The only positive sign is that the public want Wynnie gone, but the potential replacement has no intentions of governing as a conservative. He is definitely a weak leader and not leadership material at all, in my opinion. There must be a better way to vet potential candidates for election. Poor, corrupt leadership, and party members that want to implement the agenda, could careless that our society is crumbling before our eyes. Patrick has been paid off by those with the agenda. He should step down, and the be replaced with an actual conservative leader. One who will lead, not follow!