March 02, 2016

Pope Francis: “France must become a more secular state"

Victor LaszloRebel Commentator

Pope Francis, head of the Catholic Church and leader of an estimated 1.2 Billion Roman Catholics, today said that France, the country with actual laws governing separation of church and state called, Laïcité, must become more secular.

Later on, the pontiff explained how previous invasions of Europe had enriched its cultures:

"We can speak today of an Arab invasion. It is a social fact." ... "How many invasions Europe has known throughout its history! It has always known how to overcome itself, moving forward to find itself as if made greater by the exchange between cultures."

Leading one to suspect that by becoming more secular, the pope might have meant that it should become more open to Islamic behavioral, cultural, legal and religious norms. 

Below, Pope Francis from 2015 explaining how speech critical of Islam must not be allowed in the 'Yes to freedom of speech but" way we have all become so familiar with by our leaders and representatives.

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commented 2016-03-03 19:07:30 -0500
Michael Martin: Although I agree that religious types can be too easily offended I disagree with your often repeated distortion that “historically speaking the worst atrocities were committed against human beings in the name of God”. History shows that in a brief period in which we saw Communism rise they ( the Communists) killed an estimated 85 million to as high as possibly 140 million people. AS everyone knows the Communists were not religious but the Communist states were officially atheists. There is also many wars that had nothing to do with religion but were about border discrepancies and seizing land and wealth of others occasionally invoking the name of a God in an attempt to justify their thievery.
commented 2016-03-03 18:59:15 -0500
Baa, baa, baa. . . and what makes you so certain that sheep do not think. ;-)
commented 2016-03-03 15:17:41 -0500
Religious types are too easily offended. They need to put there imagery best friends aside and take a long hard look at what religion is doing to the world. Historically speaking the worst of atrocities committed against human beings are in the name of God. God Dosn’t speak to me and anyone who would tell me they speak to or for God are either delusional or trying to control a mass of people. Think for yourself, don’t be sheep.
commented 2016-03-03 11:00:44 -0500
Europe open to Islamic invasions? Exchange of cultures? Remind the Pope of Charles “The Hammer” Martel. No, he wasn’t a WWE character but a real Frankish leader who kicked Muslim ass at the Battle of Tours in 732AD. Failing that remind him of the two battles for Vienna in 1529 and 1683. Both times the Muslim hordes were forced back to their Muslim lands by European Christians.
commented 2016-03-03 10:36:53 -0500
1980’s: Pope John-Paul, Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher, Brian Mulroney

Because it is 2016, downgraded to: Pope Franky, Barry, Cameron, Junior

Pretty much says why in 35 years we are in the mess we are in.
commented 2016-03-03 09:32:24 -0500
For Catholics who may be a little troubled about this, Church Militant TV has an excellent Vortex video titled “A Disgrace To The Chair of Peter”. There have kooky popes in the past. When papal infallibility was proclaimed at Vatican I, leaders such as Cardinal John Henry Newman was critical because he was worried about future dopes like Pope Francis I. He was worried that anything from a pope’s mouth would be taken as dogma. It does not work that way. This is not church dogma but the ramblings of Jorge Bergoglio.
commented 2016-03-03 09:15:18 -0500
The Pope = The false prophet
commented 2016-03-03 08:24:35 -0500
Pope will lead the Christian world into failure and complete conquest by islamics through his cowardly actions.

He has forgotten the words to Onward Christian Soldiers.

I cannot wait for real violence to break out in Europe – in fact I want it to come – sooner the better – that way our islamic leader will have an excuse to bring in even more islamic refugees into Canada.

And that might wake some people up here in Canada – although I doubt it – however right now we are only delaying the inevitable.

Not one western person who has lived in an islamic country and experienced the complete lack of freedom they live under will ever say they want it in Canada. The person who has visited and says – “I never has a problem” is the danger – but they only visited and were not subject to the real life of “behind the tourist veneer”

Only trolls, idealists who have never experienced this and evil islamics would ever want to bring it to Canada

Home from the desert this morning at 0600 – good to be in Canada again – I can only hope I am able to say that in 10 years.
commented 2016-03-03 08:24:29 -0500
Glad to see the posting twice is fixed. thanks.
As for this Pope. He was on the right track and now I think he is off the rails. Nothing he is saying makes sense.
he should stick to the bible. Talk about the suffering in Syria and Iraq. It brings me to tears to think of the suffering happening right now, people shivering in tents hopeless with nothing in the near future.. and a littering of dead bodies all across the sand. That is something he should be focusing on.

A guy on 100 Huntley said they set their phone alarm for 8:38 to remind them to pray for the suffering of poeple in Syria and Iraq. (8:38 because of Romans 8:38 etc. in the bible.) And so I set my Alarm too. And every day now I have been praying for those people Try it, even just a minute of your time, to remember those people to ask God to help them, to sort it out, to bring justice, to bring peace.
Its helped me to be more sensitive to the human condition, to the value of others.

Maybe the pope could shift his focus.
commented 2016-03-03 08:18:18 -0500
It drives me nuts.
I read an article, then decide to post. So, I sign in, it kicks me back to the front page and I have to find the article again and click it again let it load and then go to the comment part. Maybe I should have logged in first, but there is no reason when you log in it cant stay in the comment section. (now lets see if this posts twice. Every other time I post the first time it posts what I write twice. )
commented 2016-03-03 07:20:27 -0500
Kind of expected Orthodox Christians and Jews would be singled out. We always are… (Elegant proof of God isn’t it?)
commented 2016-03-03 02:42:31 -0500
How much more secular can France get?

This Pope is a meathead. Time for an accident to happen, like the one that took out John Paul I.
commented 2016-03-03 01:43:53 -0500
This just goes to prove that catholicism is nothing more than a eligion that high jacked true Christianity in Ad 325 and afterwards. A religion that uses the name of Christ yet is the furthest from who He is. A religion that denies biblical doctrine and replaces it with modified paganism and strange traditions. Strange to the Bible that is. The proof is in the pudding, priests practicing pedophilia and a religious establishment that covers it up. With a rich history of torture and murder to all who opposed her or attempted to expose her.
Now this? it all fits in with her heretical past.
Not surprised at all. It’s time people call her for what she really is, an imposter religion which has no relation to true Christianity.
commented 2016-03-03 00:17:31 -0500
The Pope just told all Catholics to accept Islam.

I am not a Catholic, who was that Guy standing beside the Pope, laughing like it was all a joke.

Praise the Lord and pass the Ammunition.
commented 2016-03-03 00:07:02 -0500
ELTON BRAUN commented
“This pope has not only drank the koolaid but he’s drank himself into irrelevance. As predicted in the Bible, Christian leaders of many denominations are buying into Satan’s lie called Islam and it’s not going to get better.”

I never liked this pope from the beginning. He’s way too political and not biblical enough. This pope is out of line and he seems to enjoy it! I find him disturbing.
commented 2016-03-02 23:37:48 -0500
not sure who I dislike more, kanye or this bozo.
commented 2016-03-02 22:46:16 -0500
The problem comes from having one man having the final say for millions of people concerning the morals and doctrines of a much too institutionalized religion. Bottom line is he’s still just another callable human being. Although many righteous people can be great examples to follow, in the end any one of them can still let you down. The only example completely trustworthy is Jesus Christ.
commented 2016-03-02 21:52:38 -0500
Time to take out the Holy Duct tape out and cover this popes mouth sheesh!
commented 2016-03-02 21:10:08 -0500
I’m sorry but every time one of the Pope’s speak they get more and more confusing. Take the Pope claiming Trump isn’t a Christian because he is building too many walls , said the man who lives behind a walled city with guards as he drove buy in his bullet proof car. So he is not a Christian? Then the Catholic spin doctors said it wasn’t personal. So a man’s salvation isn’t personal? According to catholic liturgy the Pope is infallible when speaking “Ex Cathedra” …on matters of faith? Is a persons salvation is not a matter of faith what is? I saw the same confusion come from the last Pope who after centuries of claiming Luther was a heretic the latest Pope said Luther was right…salvation is by faith alone. So where does that leave the millions of Catholics who died believing what they had been taught prior to the last Pope’s declaration. I think this latest Pope may be suffering from alzheimers. I am a former Catholic so I say this from my own personal observations and journey.
commented 2016-03-02 21:04:34 -0500
I realize that especially those holding offices in various institutions typically need to be carefully selective of that which they say, but the known truth ought not ever to be sacrificed or even watered down in that process.

And there are often if not most always different ways of presenting the message without needlessly arousing the hostility of others. Especially if any of those others have shown their thin-skinned-ness and readiness to severely harm and kill random people, even people who are sometimes a world away and have not had anything to do with either the message being spoken or those speaking it.

I agree that Pope Francis has said and done some things (I think more saying than doing) which are hard to fathom. And as a Roman Catholic, at times based upon what he has said, if my understanding of what he said is correct, it just cannot be agreed with.
commented 2016-03-02 20:17:54 -0500
Google Dr.Bill Warner Why we are afraid, a 1400 year history for a great 45 minute video on the history of the ‘Arab invasions’. This pope has not only drank the koolade but he’s drank himself into irrelevance. As predicted in the Bible, Christian leaders of many denominations are buying into Satan’s lie called Islam and it’s not going to get better.
commented 2016-03-02 20:14:13 -0500
Hard to figure out this Pope. Is he Catholic? Yes but no. Catholics adore him as I saw reported in his visit to Mexico. I figure he is a new ager.
commented 2016-03-02 20:06:50 -0500
And speaking of Europe, Pope Francis is quoted as saying: “If Europe wants to rejuvenate, it is necessary for it to find anew its cultural roots.” (And it’s cultural roots are not those of Islam.)

Just in case some people do not first visit the link you had provided, from which you selected that particular statement of Pope Francis for your own reasons, here is the fullness of what is said (as found via that link):

Pope: “Yes, we can speak today of an Arab invasion [of Europe]”

In his interview with French religious periodical La Vie, Pope Francis was asked about the current situation in Europe, and this was his response: “The only continent that can bring about a certain unity to the world is Europe,” the Pope adds. “China has perhaps a more ancient, deeper, culture. But only Europe has a vocation towards universality and service.” … “If Europe wants to rejuvenate, it is necessary for it to find anew its cultural roots. Of all Western countries, the European roots are the strongest and deepest. By the way of colonization, these roots even reached the New World. But, by forgetting its history, Europe weakens itself. It is then that it risks becoming an empty place.” [La Vie:] Europe, an empty place? The expression is strong. … Because in the history of civilizations, emptiness always calls fullness to itself. Incidentally, the Pope becomes clinical [in his diagnosis]: “We can speak today of an Arab invasion. It is a social fact.” … “How many invasions Europe has known throughout its history! It has always known how to overcome itself, moving forward to find itself as if made greater by the exchange between cultures.”

commented 2016-03-02 20:02:38 -0500
The Poop has it ass-backwards.

Do NOT try to censor people of their opinions. That’s behavior control.

Rather, you teach weak people to stop being so farookin’ sensitive to what someone else says.

This can be done easily, through the teaching of critical thinking skills to our children from a young age.

The problem now is that they’re being taught to cover their ears and run to their safe spaces like caged animals in a zoo.