June 12, 2016

“Guns aren't the problem. Radical Islam is the problem”

Faith GoldyRebel Host

I'm currently in Florida, a state which has become scene to the largest mass shooting slaughter in American history. Fifty dead and 53 injured at the hands of terrorist Omar Mateen, a US citizen of Afghani heritage.

As soon as news broke of the terrorist attack at a gay nightclub in Orlando, media and political elites took to social media to control the narrative following the massacre.

They want you to believe the slaughter is a signal of the need for stricter gun control.

But here's the thing:

Bars in Florida are gun free zones.

Using liberal logic, then, Pulse nightclub is as controlled an environment as it gets and no attack ought to have ever taken place there.

Truth is: Guns aren't the problem, radical Islam is the problem. But, when it comes to jihad being carried out in the west, the chattering classes operate on a policy of "don't ask, don't tell."

After the Islamic State issued a pre-Ramadan message for supporters to attack soft-targets in America, are we to believe the timing of this attack is just coincidence?

And is the fact the attack took place at a gay bar coincidence, too? Considering homosexuality is punishable by death in several countries in the Middle East, I think not.

And, taking into account the fact that over 90% of people Pew polled from such regions think homosexuality ought not be tolerated, there's more to this story than the establishment media and politicians would have you believe.

A clash of civilizations has arrived on our doorstep -- Islamic hate for homosexuals and a freedom-loving western worldview.

Of course there are good Muslims who value our pluralistic societal structure, but there are others who hate gays, Jews, and uncovered women, too.

And the fallout after the Orlando attacks shows Muslim feelings matter more than gay lives in the pecking order for the politically correct.

When will we in the West be free to discuss the underlying issues of political Islam and its hateful mindset?

After 9/11, Fort Hood, Boston, San Bernardino, and now Orlando: how many must die before we move the debate from under the haze of political correctness that now clouds the respectful dialogue we owe to the dead?

If Islam is the religion of peace, why aren't its extremists extremely peaceful?

Because Islam doesn't have a peace problem. It has a hate and violence problem.

And it's about damn time we start talking about it.

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commented 2016-06-14 04:12:50 -0400
the fact is that same sex relationships should never have been legalized, same with abortions on demand, as to ideolize the creature over the Creator will always have repercussions. as both have been forbidden by the Lord God of Israel, the nations should be repenting for putting these rights before the Word of the Lord God, who in His wisdom gives laws so that society doesnt descend down into anarchy with everyone clamoring for equal rights.
commented 2016-06-14 02:38:51 -0400
I don’t see as there is much chance of armed citizens in Canada the coward cops would be frozen in fear at the very thought. Yes it is the only answer to stopping murderess attacks by armed, demented, Muslim fanatics, as the cops will never be there when the killing starts. You are ultimately responsible to insure your own security and survival, how you do that will be your choice. Obviously if someone were to arm themselves, they would be in violation of the law, so certainly it is a difficult choice, one with consequences should you ever have to use any kind of armament to fight for your life or someone else. But in truth, if the law cannot protect you then you become the law. The cops don’t like side line quarterbacks second guessing as to what they should have done in a given situation. Because of the terrorist attacks that are happening worldwide, should a citizen be forced to act on their own behalf in a violent action to continue life, then the authorities need to pay attention to their own song of self protectionism and realize self defense when it is obvious. Instead of treating fighting survivors as criminals they should be applauded and recognized for their quick action and resourcefulness. Not second guessed and rewarded with legal action. Question: After the terrorist that entered the parliament building in Ottawa was shot and killed, did the cops arrest the guy that fired the gun that stopped the terrorist ? Second guessing, I guess it depends who you are as to whether the law is applied or not.
commented 2016-06-14 01:04:06 -0400
@d MARY…..and her “sisterhood” just don’t get it that they don’t speak for anyone or anything collectively…and the fact that people don’t defer to them is simple common sense…it’s as if she thinks her signature on a performance evaluation is going to impact your career and she has “point-a-bone” power.

And who gets to write HER performance evaluation?
commented 2016-06-14 00:13:15 -0400
Bob, what if the one you are trying to have an intelligent conversation with is Betina Dunn? She is incapable of having an intelligent conversation as she lacks one of the two components, but she sure can blather and froth out her detritus.
commented 2016-06-13 23:41:33 -0400
While I served in the Canadian Forces in the 1970s there was a lot of empathy for the Palestinian cause. That has totally evaporated now for obvious reasons. Increasingly, you all are going to find that the left can no longer peddle their BS without serious repercussions. For now this is only a general observation but liberal ideologies now are as bankrupt as fascist or Nazi ideologies.

This cancer is facing all of us, Liberal or Conservative. Start thinking about that and actually have a mature conversation with people who disagree with you. You will find that we have the advantage of experience rather than the half baked, overthought, hyperbole being spewed out by the media, politicians, and their appeasing sycophants.
commented 2016-06-13 23:12:56 -0400
“And if Omar the gay killer does not represent all muslims….how come he represents all gun owners?”
Because it fits with the narrative of Muslim apologists. I am tired of hearing from “man on the street Joe Muslim” about how he will suffer from the distrust of narrow-minded non-Muslims after this latest atrocity.
commented 2016-06-13 23:04:39 -0400
I love you half-wits… Keep this going please.
commented 2016-06-13 21:44:49 -0400
@robert Raymond….Sean Penson is a whole cloth fiction. I have in my circle of friends many intelligent academics who are typical of the left intelligencia. They are disappointed by my shift to the right but they also appreciate that when they talk to me they are not the teacher in the room and there is no campus speech code….so they present their position based on their own experience and their own research…and are often shocked and taken aback by the facts I present…and rethink their position.

It is my gut feeling that Sean Penson is actually a ficticious persona created by Gavin McGuiness as a bit of Loki style mischief in order to generate some interesting banter on this board.

There are other people who I would suspect as being schills of either the Liberal Party or it’s supporting auxilliary in feminist academia…..my suspicions are based on what was disclosed in court cases I participated in and which I can present transcripts as evidence.

Sean Penson is just Gavin McGuiness’s comedy alter ego pulling your chain.
commented 2016-06-13 21:29:36 -0400
And if Omar the gay killer does not represent all muslims….how come he represents all gun owners?
commented 2016-06-13 21:26:43 -0400
Betina Dunn…if you are going to remind us all of blast from the past folks who threw a temper tantrum with a gun at a school in order to get attention…let’s not forget Brenda Spencer of “I don’t like Mondays” fame…..:-)

And in fairness at the time Mondays were just the most oppressive tyranny and it was high time somebody took some sort of militant action against them…..:-)
commented 2016-06-13 18:59:32 -0400
Sean penis Penson, you said we will never know anything about this guy or why he did what he did. You are a complete idiot. He phoned 911 and told them everything. Can you get any more fucked up than you already are?
commented 2016-06-13 18:22:31 -0400

Ramadan by the numbers

Ramadan Bombathon 2016 Day number 8

Muslims often insist that other religions are just as violent as theirs and that the bigger problem is “Islamophobia”.
We put that narrative to the rest each Ramadan with a running count of ALL terror attacks categorized by motive.

Motive – Terror in the name of Islam………………..Attacks = 65……….Kills = 528
Motive – All other religions combined …………….Attacks = 0…………Kills = 0
Motive – By Islamophobes…………………………….Attacks = 0…………Kills = 0

Source: TheReligionofPeace.com

Those who live by the sword will be shot by those of us who have progressed.

Author unknown
commented 2016-06-13 18:18:07 -0400
Lets see, approximately 30% of the population is Conservative. If we require trained and law abiding Conservatives to Conceal Carry , at least 3 out of 10 people will be armed and trained to kill radical Islamics when they attack. All the socialistic, anti-gun , gun-phobic freaks can curl up in the fetal position, suck their thumb and let the armed people save their pathetic asses. I can see it now
commented 2016-06-13 16:50:17 -0400
" so I feel OK about admonishing you as well…"

DOUG, let me guess – in a previous life you pushed a pram.
commented 2016-06-13 16:36:25 -0400
All Muslims are radicalized in the interpretation of the free and civilized world. How did they get that way ? They follow the depraved teachings of the Koran, it’s all contained within their “Book of Hate”. And one of their main fundamental hatreds is those of the gay community. I saw on the CBC The National with Wendy Mesley talking to a bearded man who did his best to explain away the attack and murder of so many as simple Homophobia and I think this guy used to work for CSIS or something, scary. He mentioned how ISIS throws gays off tall buildings and that there are videos on the internet, Wendy was not aware of these facts she was demonstrably shocked like she was hearing this piece of fact for the first time. So that’s the problem at the CBC they aren’t aware of what is really happening in the world when it pertains to Muslim acts of violence and hate. And they are reporting the news but haven’t got a clue about what’s actually happening. I agree with David Ross he nailed it. The world has changed because of a Depraved, Violent, Hateful Ideology called Islam and we need to change with it in order to protect ourselves from its insanity. In my mind that means being trained if you’re not already and having the tools to fight with that you feel comfortable using in the event of an Orlando. They talk about joining with Moderate Muslims, ridiculous, they have Moderates, Radicalized and Extremists. That’s the only religion where they have varying levels of Hate, I don’t see the same class distinctions in any other religion or members of other religions killing others because of their religious doctrine making it mandatory. Remember a Moderate Muslim is a Muslim that just hasn’t started shooting yet. The Charlie Hebdo Massacre was just the beginning, these attacks will become more common place and more frequent. Why ? Because they are getting away with it, the world is accepting it, as our governments and those like the police supposedly sworn to protect us do nothing, keep in mind too many of our enemy are in their midst and in some cases call the shots. I fear for our future.
commented 2016-06-13 16:23:03 -0400
I did not say Nathan. You missed the " " marks, I was referring to what Peter made posted, then suggested reading material for him. Your posting therefore is rendered inapplicable. Please pay attention closer to postings before commenting, it makes confusion less likely to happen.
commented 2016-06-13 15:42:01 -0400
Hyacinth – You say “1/4 are fundamentalists”, and then proceed to make statements that therefore they agree with a list of other things. First of all, “fundamentalist” isn’t really that scary of a word. It’s kind of like asking Christians “do you take the Bible pretty literally”? Second, the fact of identifying as a “fundamentalist” in that sense does not mean that, push come to shove, they would actually support the things that you suggest. And meanwhile, even here at The Rebel, there are plenty of people who support suppression of women’s rights, persecution of homosexuals, and subjugation in some sense of another of those who are not like us. In fact, I think we are not so much unlike that which you fear.
Question: You own a dance club. It’s your private property. Do you allow guns into the club? Or do you screen all and bar entry to anyone with a gun? Imagine there’s no law on the matter. Do you want outside guns in your club?

Lynda Palmer – Since when does “they’re not all like that” imply “I support the most violent and radicalized among them”? If someone here is being irrational or engaging in simplistic thinking, you might want to check the mirror. I don’t defend terrorists, I oppose thinking that would lead people to say something like “that murderer was Christian, therefore all Christians are murderers.”
commented 2016-06-13 15:31:35 -0400
How do you think he became radicalized? Or by what means were suggestions to perform such acts introduced to him?

I agree that putting up a sign that says “no guns allowed” is not going to stop a massacre. But I think it would involve a degree of black and white thinking to believe that the limited (zero?) effect of such signage therefore implies that no amount of restrictions on guns can be effective in improving public safety without offending the second amendment.

I think the greatest risk in gun control is that some will believe “next Obama will come for your guns”. But when it is that easy to get your hands on that much firepower, I believe that things are not right.

On the matter of the very small minority of Muslims who hold as “assassin’s veto” over the vast majority who are very peaceful, but who face difficulties speaking out against violent extremism which has been radicalized from within their communities, my opinion is that promoting a sense of security among the non-radicals would be important – however, there is a risk of eliciting a sense that they are betraying their religion or community by the fact of allying with the others (us) who are not Muslims.

I don’t think that phrases like “political Islam and its hateful mindset” are very useful in this conversation. Something more like “parts of politically active Islamic communities which promote the use of violence”, or something to that effect, might be more useful.

The problem is this. In defining all “political Islam” as the same as the “violent radicals” – what space remains for Muslims to be political in reaching beyond the existing clerical control over their communities, or for the communities to be more involved in shaping the power structures within Islam in a way that is more conducive to peace?
commented 2016-06-13 15:04:06 -0400
commented 2016-06-13 14:22:43 -0400
Omar Scum stopped to reload multiple times and stopped to make cell phone calls at least 3 times. Plenty time for anyone with concealed carry to quickly close the distance and point- blank shoot this waste of skin in the head. It sounds easy but certainly if more people Conceal Carried the greater the probability that it could happen. Especially if 4 or 5 armed people at once attacked this turd while he was reloading . So effective training for these kinds of situations is abundantly available for people who choose to conceal carry. Sheep Dog Response (http://sheepdogresponse.com) provided by ex Special Forces,Tim Kennedy is one example. This is one way we can fight back and be prepared. I know the SJW socialist types will irrationally scream in opposition to this and choose to remain disarmed , curl up in the fetal position and allow terrorists and other criminals to calmly walk up and fill them full of bullets. In the case of Orlando , the police exacerbated the situation by waiting 3 bloody hours before they finally responded responsibly and effectively. If there only was well trained and armed citizens inside the building many lives would have been saved .
commented 2016-06-13 14:22:34 -0400
EH! FaceBook – wake the hell up!! What is with this??
Hope FaceBook – that you understand that the “mightier” fall hard too!
commented 2016-06-13 14:20:37 -0400
I suspect there is some intensive counseling going on over at the State Broadcaster and Continuous Trudeau Vision over the fact their cracker-jack apologists had to finally get on board with the rest of the world and start reporting basic facts about this Islamic Terrorist attack inside of running cover for their Liberal bosses. It is pathetic and embarrassing the lengths the media cartel goes to in order to protect their PC lefty agenda. The media cartel is to stupid or blind, to see that they are making themselves less credible and more irrelevant daily. Keep up the good work,Progs.
commented 2016-06-13 14:11:41 -0400
Al Jazeera (Arab language news center) facebook page literally overflowing with notes of celebration, and joy at slaughter of innocent people in Orlando. http://bit.ly/235ijTG
Yes, there are a few words of regret, but the vast majority are happy as pigs in poop. There are many clips and snap chats, attached. You can see happy Muslims bouncing around and chanting. Many attach supportive passages from the Koran. It is important to understand that most Muslims reject this type of violence, however, 1/4 are fundamentalists, who support Sharia law, suppression of women’s rights, and persecution of homosexuals, execution of apostates, and subjugation of all non-Muslims.
commented 2016-06-13 14:08:38 -0400
Thanks, Daryl, I agree it does feel good to shut them up, but let’s do it the right way. For an example, scroll down to the comment I made 4 hours ago on this thread – one comment to refute with a little sarcasm thrown in, and we haven’t seen another peep about Wounded Knee as a deflection, and you’re right – it did feel good.

But I am still berating myself for stooping to replying to obvious trolling.
commented 2016-06-13 13:58:47 -0400
@ Doug Laird commented 34 mins ago

I do agree with you completely!! …but DAMN does it feel good to every once in awhile make them shut-up. All too many of the news items we comment on are real serious issues and the asinine comments just need to be contested. What we need is buttons like on YouTube to either Like or Dislike and allow the idiot posters reflect on either choice made.
commented 2016-06-13 13:58:41 -0400
And here it goes again.Left wing loonies defending the most right wing, nut job group in the world, islam, without a clue to how illogical this is. I am a conservative atheist and have no use for any religion. However, christains are not actively trying to kill anyone that doesn’t live by their rules. Muslims are. And liberals, are too stupid, senseless, naive, delusional and hipocritical to admit it. They are almost as dangerous as the terrorists they defend.
commented 2016-06-13 13:47:33 -0400
So Caliph Bigdadi has claimed affiliation and no matter how the left journalists try to deflect this it has legal ramifications in sharia law.

Even in a sharia law jurisdiction if a group of men meet in the haram of an individuals house in homosexual fraternity no freelancer can take it upon himself to enter that house withot three other witnesses and commit summary execution in the name of Allah.

We have islamists in our midst and just as it would be untrue to blame all Christians for the actions of the provisional IRA,,,we need some sort of sorting method.

Now Caliph Bigdadi is either the Islamic messiah he claims to be ….or he is a heretic…and by extension all who obey his orders are heritics.

Would the imams who claim to be our friends and plea for our trust be willing to issue a fatwa condemning ISIS as heresy and a death fatwa against all heretics who have killed in the name of Allah…if they are sincere it is really not too much to ask..
commented 2016-06-13 13:22:49 -0400
commented 2016-06-13 13:19:24 -0400
This is going to be a long one, folks, please bear with me if you can.

JAMIE MACMASTER commented 20 mins ago
“This place is blooming hilarious. "

Yup. And getting more so by the minute"

Jamie, we need to give it a rest. (I have already privately admonished myself for stooping to replying to troll comments below, so I feel OK about admonishing you as well.) I understand where you are coming from and think I share your sentiments, but in light of yesterday this is not the time to feed the troll. There is nothing to be found that is hilarious in any way in the events yesterday in Orlando, including the asinine comments and deflections used by trolls to provoke us. These trolls know that maybe, just maybe, citizens are already upset and angered by yesterday’s events, and thus it is easier to get us “worked up into a froth” by their brand of nonsense, for their personal amusement. This would only serve to highlight their own immaturity, insensitivity, and idiocy if we could limit ourselves to treating them the way we need to learn to: refute their asinine comments, once, with facts, and then ignore their subsequent trolling; or point out the obvious hypocrisy in their deflections (in light of their Real Change propaganda, “Harper did it !!!” is getting a little stale) once, and then ignore their subsequent trolling. I am not saying “Please don’t feed the trolls,” just that this is a very inappropriate article on which to do so.

Feeding the trolls as I am suggesting here on other articles, however, would be more beneficial, because it either shuts them up, or invites them to display even greater lunacy for everyone to see, and usually needs no further reply because their idiocy makes our points for us. There are many intelligent people who occasionally read Rebel articles that are far less right-wing than I am, including some of my more liberal and Liberal friends, and it just may give them pause to think about our views a little more objectively if they are allowed to see the trolls’ idiocy left to speak for itself. And please, please refrain from just vilely shouting them down. All of us are far too familiar with that tactic from the further left fringe, as displayed on the CBC forums, or any of numerous left-leaning sites to be found on a quick web search of news sites, or the violent anti-Trump protesters across the USA, or the BC anti-pipeline rally that had “security” staff following a Rebel reporter to keep any protesters from being allowed to speak to him. (Spoiler Alert: Names to be named in 3… 2… 1… ) Keith Barnes, in particular, please tone down the foul-mouthed rants; they only serve to promote the image of right-wing thinkers that, I think, we would all prefer not to be labelled with.

Rant over.
Laird Out !!!!
(Mic drop, exit stage right)
commented 2016-06-13 12:24:29 -0400
@ Betina Dunn – go change your diaper – we can all smell the crap – so it’s gotta be loaded past the hilt!!

@ Accuna – yes, hardly anything on the net about that other Canadian killed by Philippine terrorists other than it happened and an early morning CBC blip that TruDope was “saddened” by the news!! Where the hell were all those useless RCMP that went over there to retrieve this man and bring the terrorists back to face “justice”?? Still can’t figure out what the RCMP thought they could do there and why Special Forces weren’t sent in?!