May 20, 2015

"Muzzled": CBC's new favourite word

Rebel Staff
 

Say, did you know Stephen Harper's government was "muzzling" scientists? No? Then you must not watch CBC News.

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commented 2015-06-04 09:29:14 -0400
Tamara – “mozzled” is a very apt description of who is really influencing and controlling the CBC. Is it just me, or do all these anchors have that stunned, deer in the lights look?
commented 2015-05-25 11:54:38 -0400
Muzzled rhymes with puzzled, which is what the CBC is.
commented 2015-05-21 11:35:16 -0400
Speaking of “muzzling”:
This morning Theo Calwell published a very funny, honest and insightful essay on PKP and the collapse of Sun Media News, including some accurate but unflattering comments on its deeply flawed business model.
That blog piece has suddenly disappeared.
Surely “the Rebel”, that bastion of free speech and heroic dissent, hasn’t begun censoring people who make unflattering comments about Ezra’s former employer?
commented 2015-05-21 11:34:44 -0400
TERRY RUDDEN, with your great interest in science:
Please tell us are you aligned with the U.N. position that its science demonstrates a need for such an imperative (for nations to make commitments to cut greenhouse gas emissions)? I had asked you this question with respect to the May 18th Rebel post, “Why Harper’s vow to slash CO2 is meaningless”, but you disappeared after I had asked you this question. Try to make your evasion a little less obvious, there’s a good chap. You spend a lot of text evading an answer to my rather simple question.
commented 2015-05-21 11:23:56 -0400
Hi, Ron. What are your thoughts on the substance of this thread?
- Does the suppression of scientific findings serve the best interests of Canadians, or of science generally?
- Is information being suppressed in areas where wider circulation of findings might lead to more informed debate and discussion?
commented 2015-05-21 10:21:36 -0400
TERRY RUDDEN, with your great interest in science:
Please tell us are you aligned with the U.N. position that its science demonstrates a need for such an imperative (for nations to make commitments to cut greenhouse gas emissions)? I had asked you this question with respect to the May 18th Rebel post, “Why Harper’s vow to slash CO2 is meaningless”, but you disappeared after I had asked you this question. Try to make your evasion a little less obvious, there’s a good chap.
commented 2015-05-21 06:50:00 -0400
Dale, some of your questions are addressed in the links provided earlier in the thread.
Ralph and Glen: the practice of shutting down research or refusing to allow the publication of findings when they appeared to run counter to a party’s ideological stance was not invented by Harper, for sure: I first experienced and wrote about it in the early nineties under the Mulroney government, and subsequently on Liberal attempts under Paul Martin to reduce the efficacy of Health Canada safety and efficacy standards in response to industry demands.
The important questions are:
- Does the suppression of scientific findings serve the best interests of Canadians, or of science generally?
- Is information being suppressed in areas where wider circulation of findings might lead to more informed debate and discussion?
commented 2015-05-21 03:01:03 -0400
I think the CBC are ‘mozzled’.
commented 2015-05-20 21:55:09 -0400
TERRY RUDDEN, with your great interest in science:
Please tell us are you aligned with the U.N. position that its science demonstrates a need for such an imperative? Try to make your evasion a little less obvious, there’s a good chap.
commented 2015-05-20 19:47:51 -0400
So-this deep concern for ‘muzzled’ scientists by the CBC has nothing to do with themselves ? You put a muzzle on a mad dog so that he can’t bite you.

Muzzling the CBC and scientists means not Giving them enough money to mislead the populace.
commented 2015-05-20 19:20:10 -0400
Just which scientists are muzzled in Canada? What is it exactly they are not allowed to say? Have they been expressly forbidden from releasing any information about their research findings? Just which research is being muzzled?
Surely, someone is not going to claim that governments cutbacks or reduced money for research is a form of muzzling???
Curious.
commented 2015-05-20 19:15:52 -0400
Scientists create future problems and then attempt to solve them. All they need is money , gullable people and time.
commented 2015-05-20 18:42:39 -0400
I had a conversation over lunch in the late 90’s with french-Canadian scientists working for the feds and the topic of the Reform Party came up. I had the temerity to suggest that their deficit reduction policies were praiseworthy. The tirades that ensued had me shaking my head in disbelief. These “scientists” were as partisan as NDP staffers and David Suzuki and this is likely still the case in the Quebecois dominated civil service. Little wonder the conservatives want to muzzle these partisan activitist “scientists” from spouting off in areas outside their narrow fields of expertise..
commented 2015-05-20 16:43:10 -0400
Terry Rudden….my brother in law was a marine biologist with Nova Scotia Fisheries…..he could give you a lengthy and well educated and researched rant…on the very same subject matter as the whistleblower in question…..he is now a private sector fish monger. When it is Liberal governments gagging public service employees the CBC does not give a shit. Closing down entire fishing communities is a political hot potato …always was….always will be.

The entire public service is gaged….read their CODE OF CONDUCT.

But if any one of them were to parade in the gay pride parade wearing cowboy chaps with their ass hanging out nobody in HR would dare go after them for that.
commented 2015-05-20 16:10:20 -0400
ironically the only partner in the media plunderbund who reported on this "union"scientist rally, that was a huge flop was the cbc…who ran the same loop of a scientist in iceland….all day long.. evan solomon had to bite his tongue on several occasions as he tried not to disagree with ranting talking heads…
commented 2015-05-20 15:26:09 -0400
I’m sorry, Ron, you seem to be off topic.
commented 2015-05-20 15:08:46 -0400
Please tell us TERRY RUDDEN are you aligned with the U.N. position that its science demonstrates a need for such an imperative? Try to make your evasion a little less obvious, there’s a good chap.
commented 2015-05-20 15:08:05 -0400
Thanks, Maurice. And the same to you.
commented 2015-05-20 14:52:33 -0400
Have a nice day, Terry
commented 2015-05-20 14:47:16 -0400
Maurice: “both opinion pieces from disgruntled Harper bashers, no facts or stats or hard evidence?” Maurice, I think a rather large number of scientists employed in the civil service are “Harper Bashers”, because of the kind of incident described in the O’Hara article. Dismissing critics of the government on the grounds that they’re criticizing the government is a bit weak, I fear.
“why do you bother posting on a website that you obviously hate? Wouldn’t you be much happier posting on a nice liberal website where everyone agrees with you?”
LOL. Well, that tells me what you look for in a website, Maurice. My interests are a little different. I like intelligent debate, multiple perspectives, and the challenging of assumptions.
commented 2015-05-20 14:38:42 -0400
Terry Rudden, I read your links, both opinion pieces from disgruntled Harper bashers, no facts or stats or hard evidence. But for me a larger question is why do you bother posting on a website that you obviously hate? It’s very clear that you ideologically disagree with everything that TheRebel.Media stands for. It must be torture for you to read, in your opinion, our inane hateful and despicable comments. Why do you do that to yourself? Wouldn’t you be much happier posting on a nice liberal website where everyone agrees with you? Just looking out for your best intersets, Terry.
commented 2015-05-20 14:29:51 -0400
Peter: “When the Conservatives stop the scientists from talking to the media, they are exercising their right to keep private the science they paid for.”
You mean the science that WE pay for, Peter?
Please see my response to George.
commented 2015-05-20 14:27:46 -0400
George, I don’t think anyone disputes the actual ownership of information or information generated through the work of federal scientists. I think there are two issues:
- Does the suppression of scientific findings serve the best interests of Canadians, or of science generally?
- Is information being suppressed in areas where wider circulation of findings might lead to more informed debate and discussion?
commented 2015-05-20 14:25:23 -0400
Terry, what we are seeing is a play on words. Read what George Drummond wrote below.

You see, the CBC is implying that when the Conservatives stop the scientists from talking to the press about their discoveries, they are stopping the scientists from doing their research. But that is completely false. In other words, the CBC is saying that the Conservatives are stopping science from progressing.

But the truth is that when the Conservatives stop the scientists from talking to the media, they are exercising their right to keep private the science they paid for. The CBC is subtly lying by implying that the Conservatives are anti-science because they are stopping the scientists from revealing the discoveries.
commented 2015-05-20 14:21:41 -0400
Vlad, the only ones that care about the CBC are the Marxists, as they get all the free campaigning that money just can’t buy, since it is a free endorsement from this publicly funded joke. I just don’t think that we the taxpayers should be forced to pay for propaganda, or those that do want it, can darn well pay for it themselves.
commented 2015-05-20 14:07:44 -0400
Peter, you’re of course free to accept or reject any source as you see fit.
commented 2015-05-20 14:06:48 -0400
Hi, Ron. I’m glad you feel it’s an issue. The links below may help.
commented 2015-05-20 14:05:29 -0400
Maurice and Peter: you may wish to start with:
- the PIPS survey published in 2013
- Steve Campana’s experience (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/steve-campana-canadian-biologist-disgusted-with-government-muzzling-1.3078587)
- Katherine O’Hara provides a pretty good summary in her article in Nature.: http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100929/full/467501a.html
There are quite a few others, if you’d like some further links.
commented 2015-05-20 14:01:58 -0400
Terry, any link that leads to any opinion piece on any news site I will disregard as evidence. I only accept non-opinion news articles that present facts and their own links to source material. i.e. source material is Harper’s words, Harper’s policies, etc.
commented 2015-05-20 14:01:36 -0400
TERRY RUDDEN, yes that matters, but you are the last person that I would rely upon as to whether it is “a real issue” or not. As well, given the fact that the CBC, which self-muzzles itself, is so obsessed with the Harper government “muzzling” its scientists, I’m inclined to believe that this is typical CBC Harper-bashing. And while we are on the topic of science, which seems to be of great concern to you:
Please tell us TERRY RUDDEN are you aligned with the U.N. position that its science demonstrates a need for such an imperative? Try to make your evasion a little less obvious, there’s a good chap.