June 26, 2015

"The real Fort McMurray is not the one that appears in the press"

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During my visit to Fort McMurray, I talked to long time resident Ramona Morrison. As the owner of Smitty's Restaurant,  she's witnessed the area's "remarkable" growth over the years, and is another of the many local boosters I met on my trip.

I also met members of the local Rotary Club, who raise millions for local charitable causes every year.

I asked them how they felt about Fort McMurray being "an international punching bag for extremists" in the green movement.


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commented 2015-06-29 07:27:09 -0400
" If you truly believe this is a dishonest site, please provide proof."
Well, I flag the outright lies when I see them. I’m not sure whether you followed the thread in which the writer lied that the Toronto Star had endorsed Omar Kadhr for an order of Canada (rebutted in the comments, never withdrawn or apologized for); there have been several others.
" I do take issue with people who enter a site with the sole intent on discrediting it."
Do you? Well, you can simply skip over my postings: or you can rebut them by pointing out errors of fact or logic.
“Really makes you look bad.”
With all due respect, Jason, I think I’ll manage to struggle through life without your seal of approval. It’ll be a struggle, but I’ll manage somehow.
commented 2015-06-29 07:15:57 -0400
Rick, I’d be interested in your response to that hypothetical scenario.
commented 2015-06-28 18:04:58 -0400
Well Terry… If you truly believe this is a dishonest site, please provide proof. I’d love to see it. I have no problem with controversy either, but I do take issue with people who enter a site with the sole intent on discrediting it.

I guess common sense isn’t your forte. A pity. You’d probably be a challenging debating adversary. You seem intelligent, I give you that. I actually respect that. But if you have valid arguments, please back up the facts and keep the attack agendas out of things. Really makes you look bad.
commented 2015-06-28 16:12:38 -0400
Terry said: “Tell me, if a CTV reporter announced he was organizing a series of Town Hall Meetings across Alberta to address environmental concerns relating to the oil sands, do you think the question of who was funding those meetings would be inappropriate? Seriously?” More to the point. Would ANYONE in the Socialist Media even ask the question given they’re all seemingly on the same band wagon?
commented 2015-06-28 16:03:33 -0400
Jason:
“you are making a bit of an error assuming all socio-economical problems have the same result.”
That would indeed be an error, since every major development initiatives creates its own range of impacts, positive and negative. However, if you read what I’ve written, I don’t think you’ll find that error.
“You post many opinions, but no facts to back them up.”
Shrug. I try to identify my opinions as such. If you disagree, disagree.
" For what purpose are you so vehemently trying to attack a controversial news/opinion site? "
I mostly engage as a response to what I perceive as bad journalism or outright dishonesty. Why? Uh – because I support good journalism and honesty.
“Don’t like what you see or read? Leave.”
What a strange comment from someone who seems to value the “controversial”, lively atmosphere of this site.
commented 2015-06-28 15:49:42 -0400
Peter, he HAS been a paid lobbyist for the oil industry, and the Ethical Oil organization receives funding from the oil industry. I am asking whether or not his current activitism on behalf of the oil industry is being underwritten by the oil industry. Sorry you don’t think that’s a valid question to ask a “journalist”, but I disagree.
Tell me, if a CTV reporter announced he was organizing a series of Town Hall Meetings across Alberta to address environmental concerns relating to the oil sands, do you think the question of who was funding those meetings would be inappropriate? Seriously?
commented 2015-06-28 15:30:22 -0400
Well Terry, you may have experience, but you are making a bit of an error assuming all socio-economical problems have the same result. My original point still stands. You’ve never likely been to Fort Mac, and you haven’t talked to their people. And you post many opinions, but no facts to back them up. And you are still on this “crusade” to demonize The Rebel. For what purpose are you so vehemently trying to attack a controversial news/opinion site? Is it because they conflict with your sense of morality? Is it because you disagree with the opinion pieces posted? Or are you just a hateful left wing mole?

In any case, the solution is simple: Don’t like what you see or read? Leave. I’m starting to wonder if you aren’t one of these paid off s*&! disturbers.
commented 2015-06-28 13:56:29 -0400
Terry, my point is that you assume that he is a paid lobbyist.

Your argument is weak. You reason that because theRebel has not got back to you on whether he is being paid (of which they are not at all required to do) and because Ezra has been a lobbyist before, therefore he is a lobbyist now. Faulty logic.
commented 2015-06-28 12:13:27 -0400
Peter, you will recall that I began by asking for clarification from The Rebel as to whether these were sponsored events or not? No answer far. Ezra has been a paid lobbyist for both tobacco and oil (that is not in dispute), and once the Rebel fails financially, I suspect that’s what he’s planning on returning to. However, I’m waiting for a statement from them about political or industry sponsorship of their rallies, and have requested it both on this site and by email: I will let you know.
commented 2015-06-28 12:09:03 -0400
Terrrrrrry Ruddden . . . spokesman for the “Antis”. You and reality have never met, you would be a perfect candidate for a job at the useless CBC. I suspect you are an avid Rachael fan . . . so 20th century Terry ! ! !
commented 2015-06-28 11:36:32 -0400
Terry, everyone is influenced one way or another. The left are influenced by other left wing groups.

But the one thing that you are claiming (or seem to be claiming) but have not proven is that you think Ezra is taking money from the corporations to do their bidding. That I need to see the proof for.

Just because he is pro-industry does not mean he is accepting fund to propagate the pro-industry position.

If this is truly what you believe, then present your proof or be a real man and drop you baseless accusation.

How about the possibility that he simply truly believes that industry is the way to better the human condition? But, no, you have to accuse him without facts that he is a paid shill from the corporations.
commented 2015-06-28 09:28:59 -0400
Peter: through these discussions, both on this thread and on the other two where I asked about funding for Ezra’s political rallies, I have elicited the following acknowledgement from folks who’ve engaged in the discussion.
a) That Ezra is a propagandist
b) That Ezra is a showboat
c) That a number of readers are don’t actually care (or claim not to care) whether they’re watching sponsored political or corporate content, or not;
d) Agreement that yes, there probably IS political and oil industry money supporting this series.
A, B and D are simply facts. C was a bit of a revelation to me, since real journalists, and folks interested in real journalism, make a strong distinction between news and current affairs coverage, editorial content, and sponsored content. If I were invited to a “town hall meeting” and learned it was actually sponsored by specific corporate or political interests, I’d be a little pissed off. But apparently some folks don’t make that distinction.
commented 2015-06-28 09:21:55 -0400
Jason, I’m going to guess that I’ve worked on the planning, implementation and remediation of a few more major development projects that you have. from the Urangeschelnschaft uranium exploration and permitting in the Keewatin in the seventies and eighties to the DeBeers negotiations in northern Ontario in the nineties to the massive and ongoing Baffinlands project. So I know a fair amount about the short and long-term socio-economic and environmental impacts, both positive AND negative, on communities and regions, and on the issue of major development on or adjacent to Aboriginal lands.
commented 2015-06-27 23:44:20 -0400
Terry Rudden commented 8 hours ago
“Peter: well, partly, it amuses to shine a light on propaganda pretending to be journalism. And as a communications guy, I also enjoy dissecting communication strategies.”

It seems you have been doing a lot of attacking the person who wrote the article rather that comment on topic of the article.

This type of tactic is common among the leftists that are too stupid to debate on the topic, so they attack the person. This is something I would expect from a adolescent, not an adult.
commented 2015-06-27 19:02:40 -0400
It’s become readily apparent to me, if not to anyone else that Terry has only one agenda in this discussion. And that’s to attack Ezra. But let me bring a neutral light into this…

Yes, Ezra is a showboater, and a bit of a propaganda man. But that isn’t the be all and end all from what I’ve seen. He also cares about our country, challenges the facets that everyone else is afraid to, and has the testicular fortitude to bring the fight of social disinformation to the MSM.

I for one think we need more courage and tenacity like Ezra has shown. And I know many of you will agree, and a few won’t. But that’s what happens in a free country. You have to take the “good” and the “bad” elements and have a mutual respect for each side, even though they’ll clash.

And Terry, thank you for artfully dodging Peter’s question and proving you have no knowledge about Fort Mac.
commented 2015-06-27 17:16:21 -0400
Terry. Insulting people makes no sense whatsoever. As a “communications” guy, one would expect better tact!
commented 2015-06-27 16:00:16 -0400
Peter: well, partly, it amuses to shine a light on propaganda pretending to be journalism. And as a communications guy, I also enjoy dissecting communication strategies.
commented 2015-06-27 15:57:50 -0400
Rick: calm down. You’re frothing and not making a lot sense.
commented 2015-06-27 14:15:15 -0400
Terry, Now that you have made your point about Ezra’s character and prtraits of Ft. McMurray, exactly what is your point?

Let me rephrase that: To what end are you painting this picture of Ezra and his portrait of Ft. McMurray? What is your purpose for making this characterization?

I think that is what everyone is trying to get you to explain.
commented 2015-06-27 14:09:02 -0400
Liza said, “Peter you are such a brown nose.”

Liza, that was funny. Thanks for the belly laugh!
commented 2015-06-27 13:02:19 -0400
Terry said: “Oh, dear. I guess I thought my point was a little more obvious than it was obviously. If some of the brighter folks here didn’t get it, then I was, in fact, being too oblique. Mea culpa. I’ll speak directly.” Wow Terry. Arrogance supreme. You just demeaned everyone on this site as well as the efforts of those presenting an alternative vision of Fort Mac that what is seen on the Socialist Media. Your comments also demean the people working / living in Fort Mac. “Happy, Shiny People” analogy. Pathetic. Clearly you have not been to Fort Mac. I have. You appear to hold such contempt for people it is a miracle you have not spontaneously combusted. “corporate/Aboriginal partnerships ARE possible.” Wow, who would have ever thunk? Many on the left and in the Indian Industry would likely disagree.
commented 2015-06-27 09:29:31 -0400
And having said all that, I would humbly take issue with the characterization of my input as “trolling”, unless “trolling” is being used as a synonym for “disagrees with me” (as it often is). I prefer to think of it as injection of good humoured critical commentary. As far as oil, gas, and mineral development go, I support them in general terms, and have worked with several of the corporations on issues relating to training, employment, remediation and compliance. Effective, sustainable, and mutually beneficial community/industry and corporate/Aboriginal partnerships ARE possible.
commented 2015-06-27 09:07:20 -0400
Oh, dear. I guess I thought my point was a little more obvious than it was obviously. If some of the brighter folks here didn’t get it, then I was, in fact, being too oblique. Mea culpa. I’ll speak directly.
1) Ezra is a lobbyist and propagandist who, at various points in his career, has worked to promote oil companies, the deregulation of the tobacco industry, and other corporate clients. Most of his editorial positions are traceable to the promotion of these interests; review the archive of his headlines.
2) Fort Mac is the epicentre of pro and anti oil propaganda these days, epitomized by Neil Young’s ridiculous “Hiroshima” hyperbole. Such statements seek to attach a strong, personal, and negative image and emotional connotation to a location and an industry. That’s what propagandists do.
3) Ezra’s series of mini-portraits of Fort Mac residents is a structured counter-message. The theme running through each of these pieces is: look at these nice, happy, normal, working/middle class folks thriving here. Normal people, not sleazy corporate types or weird hippies. These happy, normal folks LIKE oil development. That’s the shared leitmotif. Each has its own little spin: look, a NATIVE guy who likes oil! Look, an IMMIGRANT who likes oil!
Put simply, it’s a slightly clumsy but endearing string of vignettes that puts a new face on Fort Mac.
I don’t think it’s badly done – Ezra’s “gosh, shucks” demeanor plays well in this context. It’s a bit lame in that his audience for this message, as evidenced by the comments, is already sold. But it’s cute.
commented 2015-06-27 08:43:17 -0400
Rick: I’m not trying to “win” an argument with you here: I’m trying to help you to understand something. If you want to understand the point of Ezra’s little Norman Rockwell mini-portraits, watch them, and look at the adjectives he uses and/or evokes vis a vis Fort Mac. Or don’t.
commented 2015-06-27 01:43:35 -0400
Peter you are such a brown nose. Terry is never not being sarcastic, Jimmy is a rude waste of time. I agree with Maurice wholeheartedly.

I’m enjoying these snippets. To Bill Elder’s comment, I wonder how much of a pay check it takes to live and bank some in Fort Mac.
commented 2015-06-26 22:50:03 -0400
Yea, when Terry is not being sarcastic, he can have some good comments and will debate intelligently … for the most part. :)
commented 2015-06-26 22:01:13 -0400
I don’t want Terry to disappear. Unlike DaSilva, he does occasional have something intelligent to contribute. I just wish he would restrict his comments to those occasions when he actually has something to say. Sarcastic remarks with no apparent point to make contribute nothing.
commented 2015-06-26 22:00:34 -0400
Peter – I agree with you. I like reading opposing views. If I don’t like someone’s comments, I usually just scroll by!
commented 2015-06-26 21:08:39 -0400
Oh, come on, guy! do we really want to get rid of Terry … and Jimmy DaSilva? (just to include the other troll as well)

They are our token trolls, kinda like mascots in a way, but the opposite.
commented 2015-06-26 19:00:05 -0400
The best way to get rid of Terry is to completely ignore him. He is thriving on your rebuttals. If no one talks to him the fun is gone. Ignore him completely.