May 30, 2016

Alberta MP Shannon Stubbs: Justin's “radical” Liberals “deliberately undermine” Canada’s ethical oil industry

Ezra LevantRebel Commander
 

At the Conservative Party convention in Vancouver, I caught up with Shannon Stubbs, the MP for Lakeland, Alberta. In her riding, the two big economic drivers are oil and gas development and agriculture, so she's in the crosshairs of both the provincial NDP and the federal Liberals.

We talk about Liberal energy policy, but she also gives us an update on what's happening in Fort McMurray.

 

 

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commented 2016-05-31 18:16:48 -0400
Mr Kokes said, “… you pumpkin eater Neanderthal.”

What are you, four years old? That’s what I would expect to hear from a child.

And you have absolutely no idea how much I do or do not know about the Global Warming renamed to Anthropogenic Climate Change “theory” because I have not said anything about it.

There is no point in talking to you about it, Mr. Kokes, because you are too arrogant to learn.

So please, just go away. No one here is stupid enough to buy your bullshit lies.
commented 2016-05-31 16:20:42 -0400
MR. KOKES:Actually I don’t know LIBS RMORONS, but I am starting to like him quite a bit. Good news is we have nuts, your stuck playing with your pussy. As for Mr. Netterville, you may be lucky enough one day to get a job licking his boots. You are obviously a big mouthed wanna be spewing a bunch of hot air under the guise of projecting your self-perceived academic superiority over we primates. I’ll stand with the Neanderthals.

DJBT et al
commented 2016-05-31 13:10:55 -0400
“Peter Netterville commented 3 hours ago”

I am still waiting for your linked proof of your anti-climate stance. I see you have yet to provide any but poke jabs instead. And when it comes to climate change/global warming, I do indeed know more that you, you pumpkin eater Neanderthal. Can’t the deny the truth.

Now run along back to the cave you came from and let the grown ups talk.
commented 2016-05-31 10:20:45 -0400
Mr. Kokes said, "You really haven’t heard a word I typed … "

That appears to work both ways because he made a valid point that destroying our economy for the sake of 2% of global man made CO2 emissions is insane, and you ignored that and just called him names.

Mr. Kokes said, "You see, this is a perfect example of a Neanderthal reaction. Anger (Name calling), Denial (a statement of lies) and Deflection (just leave us normal people alone). "

But didn’t you just call him a Neanderthal? And haven’t you called me and others Neanderthals and cavemen? You are no person to cry about people calling you names when you do the same.

Mr. Kokes said, " … and you’re not worth my time to convert since you wear your ignorance well."

So, he does not agree with your opinion and you call him names?

Mr. Kokes, has it not occurred to you that other people might have a valid opinion different from yours?

What am I saying, of course you have not. You know everything!!
commented 2016-05-31 09:32:01 -0400
“Libs Rmorons commented 10 hours ago
Kokes, you are a complete fool. You don’t sewer your economy when you are responsible for less than 2% off the scam. We know you are an econut so why don’t your type sell everything, live in a grass hut, ride bicycles and donate your money to Suzuki. Just leave us normal people alone. "

You see, this is a perfect example of a Neanderthal reaction. Anger (Name calling), Denial (a statement of lies) and Deflection (just leave us normal people alone). You really haven’t heard a word I typed and you’re not worth my time to convert since you wear your ignorance well.

“David White commented 9 hours ago
LIBS RMORONS: " Danke Schoen"

Tell me, did you two Neanderthals cup each others nuts and look deep into each others eyes when you said that to him. I just hope you are few in number.
commented 2016-05-31 00:33:27 -0400
LIBS RMORONS: " Danke Schoen "
commented 2016-05-30 23:10:47 -0400
Kokes, you are a complete fool. You don’t sewer your economy when you are responsible for less than 2% off the scam. We know you are an econut so why don’t your type sell everything, live in a grass hut, ride bicycles and donate your money to Suzuki. Just leave us normal people alone.
commented 2016-05-30 21:53:40 -0400
“Maurice Potvin commented 2 hours ago
Mr. Kokes, thanks for the clarification. We Neanderthals (at least some of us) have looked at the science and found the UN approved “scientific research” lacking in credibility. In fact, from my point of view, it doesn’t seem to be built on objective science at all, but rather on an ideology. The research grants these “Climate Scientists” receive is contingent upon them finding in favor of man-made global warming. If they found otherwise, their research funding would dry up. Of more than 113 computer models for co2 induced global warming, all but three failed miserably to live up to their predictions.

Anti-climate organization like pretend Friends of (paid by fossil fuel industry) fake Science would have you believe that computer models have failed to protect global warming. The fact is that the planet does not warm uniformly. Air temperatures warm faster than the oceans, air temperatures over land warm faster than global air temperatures. Now respecting your argument that out of 113 computer models only 3 worked is complete misinformation. Here are the facts.

Global warming slowdown: No systematic errors in climate models
http://phys.org/news/2015-02-global-slowdown-systematic-errors-climate.html
The 114 model calculations withstood the comparison. Particularly as an ensemble, they reflect reality quite well: “On the whole, the simulated trends agree with the observations,” says Jochem Marotzke. The most pessimistic and most optimistic predictions of warming in the 15 subsequent years for each given year usually differed by around 0.3 degrees Celsius. However, the majority of the models predicted a temperature rise roughly midway between the two extremes. The observed trends are sometimes at the upper limit, sometimes at the lower limit, and often in the middle, so that, taken together, the simulations appear plausible. “In particular, the observed trends are not skewed in any discernible way compared to the simulations,” Marotzke explains. If that were the case, it would suggest a systematic error in the models.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/jul/31/climate-models-are-even-more-accurate-than-you-thought
We have highlighted the fact that the planet does not warm uniformly. Air temperatures warm faster than the oceans, air temperatures over land warm faster than global air temperatures. When you put a number on global warming, that number always depends on what you are measuring. And when you do a comparison, you need to ensure you are comparing the same things. The model projections have generally reported global air temperatures. That’s quite helpful, because we generally live in the air rather than the water. The observations, by mixing air and water temperatures, are expected to slightly underestimate the warming of the atmosphere.

The new study addresses this problem by instead blending the modeled air temperatures over land with the modeled sea surface temperatures to allow for an apples-to-apples comparison. The authors also identified another challenging issue for these model-data comparisons in the Arctic. Over sea ice, surface air temperature measurements are used, but for open ocean, sea surface temperatures are used. As co-author Michael Mann notes, as Arctic sea ice continues to melt away, this is another factor that accurate model-data comparisons must account for. And I bet the mere mention of Michael Mann will curl some of them unibrows out there.

So in closing find the specific study that suggests as you just did that out of the 113 models only 3 worked.

“Maurice Potvin commented 2 hours ago
There’s a coal-fired power plant on the shore of Wabamun Lake. I never once saw smoke coming from its smoke stacks, and the lake has a good, healthy fish population.”

The common misconception is that contaminates can be seen and if one cannot see them then how can there be a problem. “The lake is good”? Why, because the waves look about the same? Because it looks blue/green as it always did? So to you all looks good. But did you ever test the water with a hack kit so ascertain dissolved salts, metals, hydrocarbons, etc. I thought not.

And the fish population is healthy? Really? Could it be that the provincial government has been stocking the lake since the early 70s. What do you know about the bio stata of the fish populations and the age classes? What about the chemicals such as mercury levels in the fish and what about birth defects etc. Have any studies been done on the fish in that lake to make a claim that the fish population is healthy. Near a coal plant, I seriously doubt that.

But the Athabasca River, which flows through fossil fuel oil sand country, has been tested and contains a lot of dissolved solids and metals but naphthenic acids and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. Fish defects have also been noted and there is now some discussion of birth defects with the local population. If fish walked on land, you might think differently if you saw their badges, scars and crutches.

“Maurice Potvin commented 2 hours ago
Besides, India, China and Russia produce more air pollution than the rest of the world combined, and I’m not talking about just co2, which I don’t consider pollution at all, but real air pollution like sulfur-dioxide. And one last thing, when you revert to ad-hominem attacks against those who disagree with you, aren’t you guilty of the same emotionalism you accuse you detractors of? Something to think about”

Well, the agreements were put in place on a per capital basis and yes, it would certainly favour India, China and Russia but sometime you have to eat some crow and lead by example to encourage change.

As I eluded to early, co2 is invisible so how can something you don’t see be a pollutant. But when co2 combines with water vapour and prevents radiation from leaving the planet, it creates a warming blanket over the earth to create heat. Heat is the real culprit here. Heat causes diseases to run rapid, viruses to spawn, fires to rage, ice caps to melt, and changes the abiotic which affects biological diversity of the planet. Have you noticed the ban on shell fish along the west coast. Do some reading on that. How about the big 4 year drought in California! The advent of the niles west and the zika virus. The significant drop in the bee pollution. The hottest temperatures in HISTORY over the last 15 of the last 16 years. If you are old enough to know the snow we have back then perhaps you would understand better. And if you are old enough, think back and think hard how the climate was. Then look to creditable sites where scientific data rules and open your mind to what’s happening in the world around you.

And start here…http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Here is the empirical evidence that co2 is the air pollutant:
https://www.skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-global-warming.htm

These videos are also interesting:
English – Climate Change 2013: The Physical Science Basis
https://youtu.be/6yiTZm0y1YA
PBS Global Warming The Signs and the Science
https://youtu.be/xVQnPytgwQ0
The Scientific Case for Urgent Action to Limit Climate Change
https://youtu.be/B4Q271UaNPo
Discovery Channel – Global Warming, What You Need To Know, with Tom Brokaw
https://youtu.be/xcVwLrAavyA
Earth Under Water Global Warming Future Disovery Documentary HD
https://youtu.be/Jrp9cFjuYnM
Earth’s Frozen Regions and Global Warming – Documentary
https://youtu.be/__UgsLUxmos

And I have more links, lots more to share with you but the above is a good start and I would be more than happy to answer any questions or comments you might have.
commented 2016-05-30 19:11:34 -0400
Mr. Kokes, thanks for the clarification. We Neanderthals (at least some of us) have looked at the science and found the UN approved “scientific research” lacking in credibility. In fact, from my point of view, it doesn’t seem to be built on objective science at all, but rather on an ideology. The research grants these “Climate Scientists” receive is contingent upon them finding in favor of man-made global warming. If they found otherwise, their research funding would dry up. Of more than 113 computer models for co2 induced global warming, all but three failed miserably to live up to their predictions. Having said that, it only makes logical sense that we shouldn’t be polluting our land, air or water. However, I used to travel annually to Wabamun, Alberta for the Grad North American Old Time Fiddle Championship, and there’s a coal-fired power plant on the shore of Wabamun Lake. I never once saw smoke coming from its smoke stacks, and the lake has a good, healthy fish population. The technology for reducing or completely eliminating air-born and water-borne pollutants is incredible. Every major sawmill burns sawdust and wood waste to supplement their electrical power, which is a carbon based fuel. The old fashioned bee-hive burners pumped an enormous amount of smoke into the air, but the new ones (which are now mandatory almost everywhere), with their afterburners, are completely smokeless. We need to survive and to do so we need to burn fuel. Can you imagine the air and ground pollution if we were to regress back to the time before fossil fuels? We would all be heating our homes with wood, not to mention the deposits our horse-drawn carriages would leave behind. Just imagine the carbon footprint that would create with our current population. And can you name me one manufacturer of wind turbines or solar panels whose manufacturing plant is powered by wind turbines or solar panels? They can’t even sustain themselves, as the energy expenditure that goes into their manufacture is not offset by the energy they produce. Besides, India, China and Russia produce more air pollution than the rest of the world combined, and I’m not talking about just co2, which I don’t consider pollution at all, but real air pollution like sulfur-dioxide. And one last thing, when you revert to ad-hominem attacks against those who disagree with you, aren’t you guilty of the same emotionalism you accuse you detractors of? Something to think about (By the way, my lunch was delicious)
commented 2016-05-30 19:01:37 -0400
Maurice Potvin, it is obvious that Kokes has nothing but insults.

He cannot form a coherent argument for the existence of Anthropogenic Climate Change but then just resorts to calling people names.

He is the type that cannot grow up and really is not worth talking to.

That is unfortunate because I thought we might actually have an ecofreak on TheRebel that actually has more than the mind of a child and might be able to carry out a debate. But no.

He calls us “Neanderthals” and “cave dwellers” but exhibits precisely the same behavior of which he accuses us.

I think it is best to feel sorry for him and just ignore him, the poor little boy.
commented 2016-05-30 18:51:36 -0400
This is all part of the Liebrano plan to keep the west subservient to eastern elites. Were the west to separate, there would be no restrictions. Notley, having gained power under the administration of a now foreign Gov’t, eastern Canada, would have no tenure and Albertans would be free to toss her out and install another Gov’t of their choosing. It is not apparent however there is enough moxy in the west to take this step.
commented 2016-05-30 17:30:15 -0400
“David White commented 1 hour ago
MR. KOKES:Thanks for lowering yourself and responding to my post.”

Your most welcome.

“Peter Netterville commented 37 mins ago
Kokes, you really are a goof. Please grow up.”

I thought you had already left the trailer park. Your worse than a bleeding hemrode that doesn’t know when to stop.

“Maurice Potvin commented 5 mins ago
Mr. Kokes, people who disagree with you are not all Neanderthal. They just happen disagree with you. Ad hominem attacks are never very becoming to the person who makes them. I could get into why I believe you’re wrong, but it would take too long and serve no purpose other than to stroke a few egos. So I think I’ll go and make myself some lunch. Have a nice day.”

Neanderthals will always find an excuse to not hear the truth. Be it that they are too busy or that they need to make lunch, etc.. Even though I ask very little of them in providing a shred of prove in support of their outlandish statements on global warming Again, so simple even a caveman can understand. And I’m not here to stroke my ego but merely to educate the cave dwellers.
commented 2016-05-30 17:30:15 -0400
“David White commented 1 hour ago
MR. KOKES:Thanks for lowering yourself and responding to my post.”

Your most welcome.

“Peter Netterville commented 37 mins ago
Kokes, you really are a goof. Please grow up.”

I thought you had already left the trailer park. Your worse than a bleeding hemrode that doesn’t know when to stop.

“Maurice Potvin commented 5 mins ago
Mr. Kokes, people who disagree with you are not all Neanderthal. They just happen disagree with you. Ad hominem attacks are never very becoming to the person who makes them. I could get into why I believe you’re wrong, but it would take too long and serve no purpose other than to stroke a few egos. So I think I’ll go and make myself some lunch. Have a nice day.”

Neanderthals will always find an excuse to not hear the truth. Be it that they are too busy or that they need to make lunch, etc.. Even though I ask very little of them in providing a shred of prove in support of their outlandish statements on global warming Again, so simple even a caveman can understand. And I’m not here to stroke my ego but merely to educate the cave dwellers.
commented 2016-05-30 17:19:07 -0400
Mr. Kokes, people who disagree with you are not all Neanderthal. They just happen disagree with you. Ad hominem attacks are never very becoming to the person who makes them. I could get into why I believe you’re wrong, but it would take too long and serve no purpose other than to stroke a few egos. So I think I’ll go and make myself some lunch. Have a nice day.
commented 2016-05-30 16:45:23 -0400
Kokes, you really are a goof. Please grow up.
commented 2016-05-30 16:10:57 -0400
MR. KOKES:Thanks for lowering yourself and responding to my post. In one of your earlier comments you stated something indicating that possibly on a rare occasion you could be wrong(in so many words). It’s nice you allowed your arrogance to step aside for a moment and show a sliver of humility, it gives you a little wiggle room for the odd blunder. It’s funny how you stated that you correctly recalled how you were right and I was wrong. Doubly confusing to me when the debate I was talking about was between you and someone else. I made no comment, just spent the time musing over the mini war you were in with the other combatant. Might be time to make an appointment with YOUR psychiatrist. Seems like a big wind might have developed over your way. In the mean time I better get back to working on that wheel. Just for interest sake Mr. Kokes, 20 something, 30s maybee??

DJBT et al
commented 2016-05-30 16:04:03 -0400
“Peter Netterville commented 6 mins ago
“Look Peter, enough of the games.”
Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you.
Mr. Kokes, I am tired of this, so fuck off.”

And that’s the typical Neanderthal response I had expected from one who claims so much but provides nothing substantive. Go back to your simple utopian life Peter you pumpkin eater and let those that can have an intellectual debate continue without your meaningless interruptions.
commented 2016-05-30 16:00:56 -0400
Mr. Kokes, having a group of NGO experts (code speak for Libs and NDP groupies) to decide where to spend carbon tax monies will be no better than we have today. Cut the crap with GW or climate change and let’s get on with being an energy superpower. Do you realize the good we could do if we actually had our economy firing on all cylinders? Even with the oil problems we would be in much better shape than today. All the people like Gore and Suzuki who profit from this climate scam should be forced to donate all their earnings to charity. You can be the whole scam would fall apart if businesses and governments could not profit from it.
commented 2016-05-30 15:58:42 -0400
“Maurice Potvin commented 1 hour ago
Mr. Kokes, I agree. Global warming IS real. It’s been real for at least 200 years. The last time the Thames River froze over in London was 1814. Prior to that, it had frozen over every year for the previous 300 years. The northern hemisphere of Charles Dickens day was much colder than the northern hemisphere of today. However, during the height of the Roman Empire, the Mediterranean climate extended north as far north as Norway, with abundant vineyards in northern Scotland. The Earth warms – the Earth cools. It’s been that way for as long as this planet has existed, and will continue to do so until it’s extinction. Does human activity affect the climate? Yeah, probably. We have such a large footprint on the planet, our activity is bound to have some affect. Not nearly as much as other geological factor, or the activities of the sun, the moon and the constantly shifting polar axis, but some affect none the less. Can we alter the climate by a change how we live. Short of nuclear war, not a chance in hell! To think otherwise is the height hubris. The planet is much tougher than we are. The UN’s policy on climate change, which the Liberals and NDP have bought into lock, stock and barrel, has nothing to do with the climate and everything to do with an ideology and a redistribution of wealth from the makers to the takers.”

You are close to being converted entirely on the subject of global warming. Let me expand on your discussion in hopes that you will become completely converted.

Firstly, years prior to the mid 1950s the global temperature has been fairly consistent. From about 1958 the concentrations of carbon dioxide had begun to swell. If you google the Keeling Curve you will get a better understanding of what I am saying. Then in about the mid 80s, the accumulation of co2 really began increasing. The last 15 years, this has caused a spike in the global temperature, a significant spike with 2014 and 2015 having the highest recorded temperature in history. Now I’m going by memory here so don’t get bogged down on the numbers per say but if we don’t experience a cooling in the next couple of years and conversely see yet another record temp year in 2016, then we are in big trouble if this trend of hottest temperatures continue.

Now, you’ve mentioned Norway and the ant-climate advocated always go there. Yes you will find warming trends throughout history but the anomalies in global temperatures has caused great concern of late. As for your assertion that many other factors also contribute to global warming other than man, you are correct but the scientific research points to man being the lone occupant on top of the pyramid in who caused the most global warming. You see global temperatures have been fairly constant in the last 800000 years but like I said earlier, since the mid 1950s there was a slight incline and from the mid 80s to 90s a further incline and then from 2000 onward a significant and dramatic increase in global temperature. Powers plants are the worse culprit.

Here are the 15 sources of greenhouse gases. You will note ALL are caused by man’s activity. Data was gathered by the US department of Energy and is public record:
https://www.allianz.com/en/about_us/open-knowledge/topics/environment/articles/140912-fifteen-sources-of-greenhouse-gases.html

So there is no question who is to blame. And we can alter the affect. For instance, using nuclear plants instead of coal plants. Building huge carbon storage houses. Be of the understanding that adaptive management techniques are workable only in some areas while others will have to accept their fate. So there are things that can be done if there is the will. Furthermore, here are the 90 companies in the world that contribute to 2/3rds of the man-made global warming emissions: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/nov/20/90-companies-man-made-global-warming-emissions-climate-change

Hit these companies with a carbon tax and stiffen regulations and we might have a chance.
commented 2016-05-30 15:53:45 -0400
“Look Peter, enough of the games.”

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you.

Mr. Kokes, I am tired of this, so fuck off.
commented 2016-05-30 15:31:54 -0400
Look Peter, enough of the games. If you look through the forums related to anything about global warming you will find my proof in the answers I provided there.

If you want to debate global warming as you had originally wanted, then state your case and provide supportive documentation in your claim. Not an insult to be hand above, so you have run out of excuses now. Again, I have presented dozens and dozens of supportive documents to my claims now it’s your turn.
commented 2016-05-30 15:21:52 -0400
Mr Kokes said, “My only motivation in this is to demonstrate to the hand dragging Neanderthals here that global warming is real.”

And yet, you have not done that at all.

Please, feel free to present your proof, Mr. Kokes.

I won’t get into the insults as you have been doing in every comment you post.
commented 2016-05-30 14:53:12 -0400
“David White commented 2 hours ago
MR. JOKES: Actually I have a blood line that I am very proud of, and no I don’t qualify. As for debates, I vaguely remember one you were in the other day. After your six page diatribe with numerous links back and forth in your mini war, and the hammer hit the final nail, you had no link or no response. You were WRONG!!! Maybe later I can enlighten you with some facts and figures. I’m a bit busy right now, takes a while to get my knuckles bandaged properly, a price we Neanderthals must pay. As for my incoherent ramblings and my obvious inferior intellect, when you see my name in the comment section just pass on by, I’d hate for your brilliance to be wasted on my inferior postings.”

Wow your recollection of events is what psychiatrists would diagnose as the early stages of Alzheimers or dementia because I recall correctly that I was right and you were wrong. In fact, other than your emotional outbursts and temper tantrums, you had nothing concrete to offer at all. Now you seem open to another failed attempt. Well, bring it when you are done reinventing that wheel in your cave. Just be prepared how enlightened you will become. Hell, you’re be glowing like a pregnant lady and I look so forward to it.
commented 2016-05-30 14:46:50 -0400
Mr. Kokes, I agree. Global warming IS real. It’s been real for at least 200 years. The last time the Thames River froze over in London was 1814. Prior to that, it had frozen over every year for the previous 300 years. The northern hemisphere of Charles Dickens day was much colder than the northern hemisphere of today. However, during the height of the Roman Empire, the Mediterranean climate extended north as far north as Norway, with abundant vineyards in northern Scotland. The Earth warms – the Earth cools. It’s been that way for as long as this planet has existed, and will continue to do so until it’s extinction. Does human activity affect the climate? Yeah, probably. We have such a large footprint on the planet, our activity is bound to have some affect. Not nearly as much as other geological factor, or the activities of the sun, the moon and the constantly shifting polar axis, but some affect none the less. Can we alter the climate by a change how we live. Short of nuclear war, not a chance in hell! To think otherwise is the height hubris. The planet is much tougher than we are. The UN’s policy on climate change, which the Liberals and NDP have bought into lock, stock and barrel, has nothing to do with the climate and everything to do with an ideology and a redistribution of wealth from the makers to the takers.
commented 2016-05-30 14:44:35 -0400
“Peter Netterville commented 9 mins ago
Mr. Kokes said, "Nice back pedal! Seriously Peter, you talk a good talk but when it come to putting some of your words into action, you cower in the corner of your dark cave. "
Insults are part of your character, aren’t they.
No, Mr. Kokes, if you have a specific beef about the oil and gas industry, then I will address it, otherwise our very unproductive conversation ends here."
Peter Netterville commented 6 mins ago
It is a very small mind that continually has to insult and denigrate someone in their comments. "

As I suspected, you have nothing more to offer but excuses. And if your feeling did indeed get hurt that’s too bad. But I think it’s just an excuse knowing that when it come to logic you will be proclaimed the loser in this debate. Now don’t let the trailer door hit as you graciously exit the building.
commented 2016-05-30 14:35:26 -0400
It is a very small mind that continually has to insult and denigrate someone in their comments.
commented 2016-05-30 14:31:49 -0400
Mr. Kokes said, "Nice back pedal! Seriously Peter, you talk a good talk but when it come to putting some of your words into action, you cower in the corner of your dark cave. "

Insults are part of your character, aren’t they.

No, Mr. Kokes, if you have a specific beef about the oil and gas industry, then I will address it, otherwise our very unproductive conversation ends here.
commented 2016-05-30 14:10:12 -0400
“Peter Netterville commented 1 hour ago
Mr Kokes, it does not make sense for me to take a shot in the dark as to what your objections are to the oil and gas industry. It is only possible for me to respond to your objections, not assume I know what they are and try to counter them.
Just as I suspected, it is obvious that you are not interested in a debate.
Have a good day. "

“Peter Netterville commented 1 hour ago
Mr Kokes said, "You wanted to have debate they you bring your evidence forward to start the debate. "
Evidence forward to what specifically?
“But I will understand if you back down as that is what Neanderthals tend to do.”
And another insult.
No, you are definitely not serious."

Nice back pedal! Seriously Peter, you talk a good talk but when it come to putting some of your words into action, you cower in the corner of your dark cave.

And I am dead serious about having a debate with you or anybody. You’ve seem me in action before and you know darn well that I do put words into action along with supportive and crediable documentations to back up everything I say. I cannot say the same with the many Neanderthals here.

Now perhaps if I dumb it down for you a bit it might help in your understanding of how a debate, that you wanted, would work. For example, you might believe that sunspots are responsible for global warming. Or you might believe the Arctic ice is not melting. Or you might believe that we are in a cooling era. Or you might believe that pigs fly. Whatever fairy tale you want to bring to the table is fine with me. Then all you have to do is provide the credible scientific links in support of your argument. So simple a caveman can do it.

But I will certainly understand if you want to back off. Just be honest with yourself and stop making excuses in your claims that your feelings got hurt so you don’t want to play. Because that is what it sounds like to me.
commented 2016-05-30 13:59:21 -0400
“Libs Rmorons commented 1 hour ago
Mr. Kokes, if GW is real then it is time for us and the world to adapt. Wasting billions of dollars or giving these billions to crooks is insane.”

Yes, it is time for us to adapt and the UN agrees in their adaptive management plans. However, they have collectively reduced funding for these projects for reasons that likely steamed from mismanagement of funds. That’s what happens when one bureaucracy (UN) gives money to yet another bureaucracy (governments).

The carbon tax is a waste as only those that “profit” from activities that create carbon should pay, not the average taxpayer on the presumption of use.

I believe we need a non-government organization of experts to screen what needs to get done and then implement the strategies. It’s not wasting billions if done right.
commented 2016-05-30 13:04:41 -0400
Mr Kokes said, "You wanted to have debate they you bring your evidence forward to start the debate. "

Evidence forward to what specifically?

“But I will understand if you back down as that is what Neanderthals tend to do.”

And another insult.

No, you are definitely not serious.

Liza Rosie, you were right.