August 19, 2015

Arguing with liberals: Stop being rational and start making it personal

Aaron ClareyRebel Blogger

(WARNING: Mature Content) If you are like me, you don't like to waste time. Not only because you don't like to "waste your time" in a classical sense, but you also likely had the epiphany you are going to die and any precious moment in your life that is wasted either not entertaining you or serving you in some longer term capacity is in an economic sense tolerating partial suicide.  

To that end you've likely made some (very important) changes in life that have not only saved you time, but led to a happier and more content life.

  • - You no longer tolerate a commute insisting on working from home or living next to work.
  • - You stopped watching TV realizing no amount of mindless sitcoms will replace one quality conversation with your loving, but ailing grandfather.
  • - Or you have given up on MSM, instead reading alternative media, or perhaps giving up on media altogether knowing you won't change this batshit insane world. 

Whatever it is, you've realized your life is too short to waste on things that either don't matter or things you can't do anything about, and have instead opted to spend that time on things that actually matter in life and will make you happy.

And debating with leftists (and about politics in general) should be one such thing you also strike from the list.

It took me a while to realize this, but after nearly 15 years of providing undeniable economic and empirical proof socialism just plain doesn't work and that free markets provides a morally and empirically superior society and economy, ONLY to have every single leftist I was trying to convince dismiss it with some weak or cowardly form of flawed logic ("well, perception is reality" was my favorite,) it dawned on me I was not reasoning or arguing with intellectually honest or rational humans.

Quite the contrary.

It was like 1981 where I was arguing with my teachers I had in parochial school.

They were ideologues.
The were zealots.
They were cultists and fanatics.

No amount of fact, truth, reason, logic, or empiricism was going to convince them.  And that the key to "winning" the debate was not found in economics, history, or facts, but through psychology, emotion, mockery, and insult. And even then, most would still adhere to their false religion, rendering all my efforts wasted, and thus a "partial suicide" of my infinitely more important life.

So I made a change.  I no longer debated economics or threw up charts. I no longer tried to reason with people on the left. And I rarely bothered ever pulling data. I hopped on my motorcycle, went riding, climbed mountains, hiked national parks, went dancing, drank, fucked pretty girls, panned for gold, ate sushi, lived life, and if I EVER got into it with leftists I immediately went emotional and personal. 

Mocking and ridiculing them, pointing out their degrees were worthless, agitating feminists that they were ugly, telling single moms their market value's been halved, and other arguments/tactics I would have largely regarded as "sophomoric" or "beneath me" all of 5 years ago, but now realized these are their "modern day equivalent weapons" by which they fight, and are the only tactics that they're aware of and affect them.

However, (though it feels good) merely agitating them and angering them about their reality of life does nothing to "win" the war many of you are still trying to wage against them. And while I don't expect many conservatives or libertarians to just give up the fight, get vasectomies, tell their boss to shove it, go Lester Burnham on life, and join me on my next motorcycle trek out west, I do know for those of you insist on staying in the fight need to change your tactics because it is not working, will never work, and not only will you lose the war, but your children (if you foolishly decided to bring some into this world) are going to pay the price.  Thus, the importance of "arguing through their narrative."

Understand one simple thing about "socialism" "leftism" "liberalism" "communism" or whatever you want to call it: It is nothing more than the lazy of society demanding the hard working and industrious be their slaves.

It is NOTHING more complicated than the parasites of society demanding the producers support and pay for them.

I don't care how many pages "Das Kapital" is.
I don't care how many millions of hours the thousands of liberal arts professors lecture.
And I don't care how many trillions of words they and the MSM write in journals or "research studies."

In the end, when you boil it down, ALL leftism is is a group of lazy people who don't want to work for a living and want to live off of other people. 

That's it. 
That's all. 

That one sentence summarizes the libraries worth of socialist literature throughout all of history

Socialism is parasitism.

Naturally this stance (parasitism) is untenable and indefensible. NOBODY is willing to be the host in this relationship, and no-would-be-parasite's ego is willing to admit they are a parasite.

Thus, the majority, if not, all of the effort put forth by the left is NOT merely taking other people's money, but coming up with reasons, rationalization, and excuses to steal other people's money. And you see it in nearly all of their arguments/political platforms:

I'm discriminated against by white males because I'm _____________.
We don't spend enough on education
We don't spend enough on health care
We don't spend enough on the poor/Social Justice
College isn't all about the money
War on women (glass ceiling, rape culture, wage gap)
Corporations/the rich control everything
We need to tax producing countries to stop global warming

I could go on, but all of the arguments above, ALL OF THEM, no matter how "noble sounding" serve only one purpose and one purpose only - to transfer money from the producers of society to the parasites.

"We need more money for education for the children" when translated DIRECTLY into English should read:

"A bunch of us lazy people who decided at 17 we didn't want to work hard so we chose "education" as our majors want the rest of you hard working people to pay for our cake and 9 months a year cushy jobs. And if you don't then we're going to claim you hate children because we don't want you to even think about just what parasites we are."

When you hear "College isn't all about the money" you should translate that DIRECTLY into English to read:

"We are a bunch of worthless parasites who don't want to work real jobs and found government academia to be a place where we are overpaid professors, who are simply paid to indoctrinate your children to simply vote the parasite class more money while charging $400 per credit for tuition and $400 for our book that is constantly under revision so used books can never be used again."

And when you hear "I need money because I'm discriminated against because I'm (fill in your choice de jour) -

gay, (or the newest victim fad)

...that should translate directly into English to read:

"I'm a coward and am going to hide behind a trait I was born with to claim I'm a victim because claiming to be a victim will get me additional funds and special treatment throughout my life at the expense of others. I will also be doubly cowardly and disingenuous claiming anybody who dares to suggest my personal decisions resulted in my status in life is a rac/sex/misogyn/ist."

In short, nearly all of the left's argument is a spectacularly HUGE straw man that few conservatives and libertarians realize is one. And if they fail to realize it's a straw man, their efforts are misdirected and no progress is made on winning the debate.

Once a leftist claims they need your money because "you can't spend enough on our children" conservatives and libertarians foolishly think that is their argument! And off they go, rushing to pull data that shows more money on education doesn't equal better schools.

Or when a feminist claims "rape" is an epidemic on college campuses, again, conservatives and libertarians think THAT is their argument. And once again, foolishly rush off to pull the factual data that college women are raped at rates less than the general population.

And heaven help you if you're accused of racism or sexism or any other "ism." Again, soooo predictably, the conservative or libertarian will scramble to prove they are NOT a racist or sexist, completely abandoning the original argument, and now debating a completely new and irrelevant one.

The reality is they just want your money, and will stop any no dirty trick or lie to get it.

"You can't spend enough on our children" is "give us teachers more of your money."

"Rape is an epidemic" is "we women's studies professors can't find jobs and need government grant money.  Give us some because we don't want to get real jobs and we don't care how many young men's lives we ruin with false rape claims."

And "Give me more money because you discriminate against me" is "I'm the true bigot and have no problem falsely blaming people of your sex and skin color for oppressing me because not only will it get me more of your money, but it will assuage me of any personal responsibility that my shitty life is the result of my own horrendously stupid decisions."

To quote Charles Grodin from Midnight Run: "It's all about the fucking money!"

Alas, this presents conservatives and libertarians who want to "win this war" a choice. You can keep arguing against the false premises even the left doesn't believe in or start arguing against their true motives and incentives. This is easier said than done because the left (and its accompanying entities of the government, academia, and the media) is so hardwired to play victim that any direct accusation will IMMEDIATELY result in accusations of you being an "ist" AND attempts to dox you, ruin your career, and ruin your name. So just imagine a single, black mother of 5 with 4 different fathers starts blaming ("that ole classic") "White Males Keep On Oppressing Me" and you publicly come out saying,

"No you stupid slut, it's not white males. It's because you can't keep it in your pants or go on birth control. And it is you who is the racist and sexist blaming white males for your incomprehensibly stupid decisions."

If you did that, nearly every brainwashed, sheeple facet of society (and conscious leftist agent in the government, media, and academia) would post what you said on the internet, misquote you, and misconstrue your words to the best of their ability to paint you as a bigot, racist, blah blah blah. And whatever career you may have once had is now gone because you are forever "googleable" henceforth.

And THAT is the real reason your hands are tied.

I can be flippant about this because in an ironic sense that is how I make my living. If I could summarize my business model, I sell the truth which has been so villainized by the left that it is effectively an outlawed drug. This not only makes truth a rare commodity, but I can charge a premium for it. The only price is I have to endure is that I will never have a "normal" life again. (You know - the one with a cubicle career, commute, taxes, a mortgage, children I can't afford and divorce.)

Most Republicans, conservatives, and non-conspriacy-theorist-liberatarians cannot afford this as they have kids, a mortgage, a career, etc., that would be ruined by arguing past the narrative and pointing out the emperor has no clothes. But until that time comes, until the vast majority of conservatives and libertarians get the balls and courage to basically just say, "no, you're a parasite who wants other people's money and you're hiding like a coward behind children/your skin color/gender/etc to get it" we will all just be spinning our wheels responding to their red-herring arguments:

"No no, I'm for the children! I just think we can spend the money better!"
"No no!  I'm not a racist! See I have this sort of 1/8th black friend!"
"No no!  I don't hate women! I just think more of them should major in STEM!"

In the meantime, those fortunate enough not to need "the system" will simply boil down leftists and make the only argument that matters:

"You're a bunch of cowards and parasites, and all you want is for me to be your slave to support you."

And no progress is going to be made until we all do the same. 


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commented 2015-08-23 03:20:48 -0400
Jimmy, this is for you. I told you I always read your links :) This one was especially entertaining, and so I wrote a rebuttal. That said, I am not finished speaking with liberals. Call me an optimist, but I think there’s hope for just about anyone, including liberals.

1. Liberals support revisionist history, or rather, they support teaching history as a questionable narrative composed by the dominant (white male) elite. History to the Liberals is now just another outlet for socio-economic activism.
2. Liberals cite Christianity and religious belief as a valid reason for rejecting all conservative opinions
3. Liberals use Biblical scripture to justify taking other people’s wealth to redistribute as they decide is just and fair
4. Liberals lie when they say they value freedom of religion. They value freedom FROM religion, in every aspect of their lives, including the public sphere, except when it comes to Islam.
5. Liberals claim they speak for everyone, they know better than God or anyone else, and that’s why everyone should just do what Liberals tell them to do. Instead of ‘Father knows best’, it’s do whatever feels good and right to you, so long as liberals agree with you.
6. Liberals questions everyone’s faith except Muslims.
7. Liberals care more about arresting and suspending children for playing cops and robbers and using their fingers as guns than they do about protecting the children from real dangers.
8. Liberals get excited about people dying, particularly the elderly and the unborn, but are oddly opposed to capital punishment for murderers, rapists and other violent criminals, even when there’s virtually no likelihood of rehabilitation.
9. Liberals believe that everyone who works owes their livelihoods (and a huge chunk of their income) to all the losers and parasites who are fully capable but simply refuse to work
10. Liberals aren’t at all concerned about forcing some people to subsidize the lifestyles and healthcare of others
11. Political correctness — that is all. Self-censorship, more like, policed by “Human Rights Commissions” and quasi-judicial Tribunals.
12. Liberals are liberal in youth, and then just refuse to grow up. I call it Perpetual Peter Pan Syndrome, and don’t discriminate between men and women. Liberals refer to the natural process of growing up, smartening up and becoming conservative, “selling out”.
13. Liberals want the votes of those who disagree with them to count for less. They are constantly complaining about the so-called failures of the democratic process, and screaming for electoral reform, but only when a conservative is elected. When a liberal is elected via the same process, there is apparently no problem.
14. Liberals pretend to be best friends with minorities — so they can swindle them into voting liberal by blaming all their problems on conservatives.
15. Liberals scream about conservative immigration policies designed to reduce entrance barriers for the best and the brightest, claiming that policies which focus on economic benefits rather than pure compassion must be “racist”. They see immigration and Canadian citizenship as a right, instead of the privilege that it is.
16. Liberals insist on coming up with PC, reality-obscuring terminology, like “undocumented immigrant” instead of “illegal alien”. The latter is truthful, while the former attempts to legitimize a criminal act and create martyrs out of the lawbreakers while demeaning the hundreds of thousands of lawful immigrants who follow the lengthier, but legal processes to enter the country every year.
17. Liberals don’t mind using force against ANY group to get what they want. See: They then justify their violent acts by claiming to be offended and thereby provoked, even when they throw the first punch.
18. Liberals love war, death and destruction because at the core of every liberal/leftist/progressive organization is the fundamental desire to radically disrupt, overturn and destroy modern, civilized, capitalist-based society, in order to institute some sort of socialist/communist utopia in its place.
19. Speaking of war, liberals think draft dodging is A-OK and that military service is just for the stupid people. Conservatives, by contrast, value military service and honour the men and women who serve.
20. Liberals claim to care about the Constitution, but in reality they don’t. They want to remove “God” from the “God given right to be free” and instead have only the “freedoms” and “liberties” that the people in power (liberals) determine that they should have, and to what extent they should have them. “God”, in this context, need not even mean the Christian God. It stands for any higher source, or inalienable origin for our fundamental rights and freedoms which exist independently of man-made law. That’s ultimately what was intended, regardless of one’s personal views on religion.
21. Liberals believe that my success and achievements are due solely to my white, anglo-saxon “privilege” rather than my individual intelligence, effort, hard work, ambition, dedication and strong work ethic. I acknowledge that I was fortunate in the circumstances of my birth and upbringing in some respects, but no one has the right to claim that I had an easy (or easier) life based only on those few factors. That’s what’s known as “stereotyping”. In the end all that matters is that you make the best of whatever situation into which you happen to be born.
22. Liberals don’t care about children, they only claim to do so while they exploit children to further their nanny-state social agenda. They sure as hell don’t care about parents, either, which is why they have no qualms about calling in child services to remove a child whose parents choose not to put their six-year-old on Ritalin, against the school’s advice.
23. Liberals are greedy and gleeful at taking from others who they consider to have more than they need, and “enough to share”.
24. Liberals think all religions and world-views are equal, even though some espouse and practise barbarism specifically directed against women and minorities. Liberals call it “cultural difference” and accuse anyone who objects to their moral relativism of being a racist.
25. Liberals are lazy and they refuse to read or listen to conservative viewpoints, period. Once a liberal hears the word “conservative”, they tune out and immediately go on the offensive.
26. Liberals think your misfortune isn’t your fault, it’s the result of being victimized since birth by an unfair society that favours a tiny, privileged elite (white, anglo-saxon, capitalist males). Instead of taking responsibility for your life, trying to meet life’s challenges and overcome them, and learning from your own successes and failures, liberals tell you that you were never in control of your own life, and never had a chance to succeed anyway, so why even try?
27. Liberals almost invariably believe in nurture over nature, except when it comes to those born into what liberals call “privileged”, entitled lots in the great lottery life. For them, intelligence, skills and abilities are seen as undeserved advantages unfairly acquired via a nurtured upbringing, rather than due to nature and genetics. For everyone else, i.e. the victimized masses, their lack of nurturing is solely responsible for each and every mistake and failure. This is why liberals love affirmative action.
28. Liberals want higher taxes for everyone, especially the rich, in order to subsidize a welfare scheme designed to keep the impoverished, impoverished. They also think those those who pay the highest taxes should be ashamed for complaining, since they should actually be paying far more.
commented 2015-08-22 22:40:00 -0400
I quite like arguing with liberals purely for sport. It is, of course, a waste of time in that true believers are never going to let facts stand in the way of their belief. But there is entertainment value in watching the contortions.

At the same time I largely refuse to play in the liberal game. I homeschool my kids – despite the fun to be had fighting the liberal agenda in schools – I work for myself, I happily read the books I want to read, I have not had a television for anything but gaming in fifteen years. Even in Canada it is quite possible to live outside “liberal” society while still enjoying such benefits that relative civilization brings.

The biggest thing is that the non-parasite classes are essential to the dimwit SJWs and redistributionists. While they don’t realize it, without us there is nothing to fund them. By choosing to live simply what you are essentially doing is cutting off the air supply to the parasites. You don’t have to argue with them. You just have to set your life up so that the absolute minimum of your income is subject to tax. Oh, and when you are called racist for noting crime statistics or the religion of terrorism, you have to be in a position where it does not matter.

No need for an argument. You’ve already won.
commented 2015-08-22 22:23:48 -0400
Good rant. I agree.
I have been saying it for years.
I work for Canada Post.

This is hard-core leftie territory. I gave up years ago trying to reason with them. The only thing to do is hit them with facts, and if they get insulting, hit them harder and when they are writhing on the ground, hit them again. That is the time to get personal.

I have cut down the drivel considerably. It ain’t much in the grand scheme of things, but it is something.
More than once I have had people come up to me and say ‘thanks’. I tell them that it is appreciated, but stand up, be vocal. When people talk shit, confront it.

Cheers, I do walk the walk.
This is my current project;
commented 2015-08-21 12:00:25 -0400
Thankyou! You have laid down the real reason the antihumanrights tribunal / law society exists!. Fight fire with fire only way that works!
commented 2015-08-20 23:11:27 -0400
Aaron, I am still participating far too much, but definitely having more fun since I read your article here.
commented 2015-08-20 15:50:03 -0400
The Dane, Mikkel Clair Nissen has NAILED the issue in his book, Manipulism and the Weapon of Guilt: Collectivism Exposed. You can listen to the audiobook version FREE, chapter-by-chapter, and I can guarantee missing puzzle pieces in your understanding will fall into place with great, clanging clarity.
commented 2015-08-20 13:07:51 -0400
How about society re-implement “personal responsibility”? That would end the “victim” culture toute-suite. Then, if one were responsible for his employment, his education, his family, his children, and everything associated with that (like, for instance, childrens’ actions being reflected on the parents, or childrens’ educations being under the say-so of the parents), then these Social Justice Warriors (of whatever sex/stripe/political affiliation) would lose much of the ground they currently stand on…
commented 2015-08-20 10:43:43 -0400
I definitely appreciate dropping PC’ness and I wish we could be as forthright as you were in this column. I beleive though that socialism done properly could be a wonderful thing. Unfortunately the way it is done now to succumb to the victims is creating parasites. One example, if we dropped the victim-sitting, provided free education with childcare, allowed people to follow their dreams without the debt load, this ultimately would lead to a decrease in professional welfare mom’s and kids being raised on the idea the world owes them a living because they are victims, born and raised. The welfare system needs to go!! Free education needs to be incorporated! Self respect can be possible with the proper system, hence a working society and a mature environment to raise the next generations.
commented 2015-08-20 01:19:51 -0400
Aaron Clarey, EXACTLY.
commented 2015-08-20 00:53:26 -0400
Aaron, I think you are onto something. It is just not worth it, its exhausting, and futile. I plan on doing much less of it, and if I do engage with Liberals, or Ndp or green, I will, lets say, keep it simple.
commented 2015-08-20 00:23:20 -0400
If you don’t believe me, Google “Taqiyya”.
commented 2015-08-20 00:21:58 -0400
Of course Obama lied, He’s Muslim! (He lied about that, too.)
Muslims are allowed to lie, even ENCOURAGED to lie to infidels if it will promote Islam …or protect Islam, …or protect the Muslim person from injury, …or insults, …or facts that disagree with the story he’s trying to sell. Obama is trying to bring about the downfall of the US of A. Everything good and moral and free disagrees with his plan, so he lies about EVERYTHING!
commented 2015-08-19 22:55:31 -0400
It’s a bit harsh, but in the end I can’t find a fault in this. I’ve wondered, to a tangent to this, how many real die-hard socialists see themselves in the worker’s paradise as serfs? I’m sure that they see themselves, every single one of them individually, as some kind of district manager or whatever after the revolution. Not the actual workers, no, you can’t expect Olivia Chow to actually take a shift at the factory like all the other comrades! But, on the other side, generalizations like this lead to the left wing claiming that every right winger and every argument brought forth by a right winger is designed to reduce society to the dark ages with themselves as lords and everyone else (the little people, the poor, etc. Us.) as the slaves or at best, servants. It’s really just class jealousy, variations on the eat-the-rich mentality. Like I said, laziness, but taught from birth laziness so it’s kinda harsh to say so, KWIM?