August 07, 2016

CCF takes on BC Medicare Protection Act that forces patients to wait in line to die

Holly NicholasRebel Commentator

The Canadian Constitution Foundation (CCF) is an independent, non-partisan organization that defends constitutional freedoms. They take on cases like unconstitutional liquor laws, property rights laws involving firearms and civil forfeiture and now they’re taking on the health care system in BC.

I've talked about Alberta Health Care System bloat and absurd wait times. BC's system isn't better with Fraser Institute stats showing average length from general practitioner to specialist to treatment is 22.4 weeks. Delays can have serious implications like progression of disease resulting in medical complications, even death.

CCF’s aim in the BC health care policy case is to give patients control over their health care options by challenging areas of the BC Medicare Protection Act which prevent patients from obtaining timely private medical care.

Most countries have a mixed health care system where patients can choose to seek medical advice and treatment from government mandated systems or private facilities.

Why should Canadians who have the ability to access private health care options, instead have to wait in line to die?

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commented 2016-08-08 15:15:05 -0400
Jay Kelly says, “Health care in Canada is extraordinarily cost-effective…”
Jay, even compared to the United States, not even the redundant bureaucrats who are lining their pockets while people die waiting to get treatment, even crappy ineffective treatment, would ever be so bold as to say that!
If you have some kind of insurance plan in the States (not Obama care) when all is said and done it’s not much more expensive than Canada’s poor excuse for care, and you may actually get state of the art medical care.
There are so many procedures and medicines which simply are not available in Canada because the implementation of them would mean some fat fart health care bureaucrat wouldn’t get his new office furniture. If its deemed too expensive Canada doesn’t offer it. If you are not considered a ‘fit’ for some procedure or drug, even if it exists you won’t get it here. At least in the States you can pay for it. They are working to keep you alive not giving everyone the same care of the lowest common denominator.
Canada’s system is good for scraping you off of the road , fixing broken bones, hip replacements,after a year or two on a waiting list. Just don’t get any kind of disease in this country. All they will do is see you out as comfortably as they can, while not wasting too much money doing it.
commented 2016-08-08 12:04:54 -0400
Jay, I want to let you in on my experience. I have been dealing with health issues for 7 years now. I have seen 9 specialists in Manitoba who can give me no diagnosis. So I saw the university big shot in Winnipeg who finally agreed to write me a letter to Manitoba health to see a specialist in the US.

Manitoba health denied my request, of course, stating that I had not exhausted all the possibilities in Canada. ( I told them I had no intention of doing so since if I multiplied my 7 years in Manitoba by the remaining provinces and territories, I would be 136 years old). Then I got a call from the Manitoba Health Appeal Board asking if I wanted to appeal the decision. I said there was no point since they are all lackies of the government. The nice lady assured me that they are “an independent tribunal”. I asked who paid her. She (as lefties in a trap are won’t) wouldn’t answer.

I told her that by not answering she had already answered. Then she said, “well obviously I’m paid by the Government”. “Exactly” said, I, so you really aren’t truly independent. But in faint hope I went through he rigmarole and basically wasted 6 months to be told “no” once again. It was like playing wack-a-mole at the fare. Every time I shot down one of their reasons they would pop up with another one. At the end of it all the reason given was that they didn’t like the way my doctor had written the letter.

I looked into this board. They are the who’s-who of lefty-dom in Manitoba. They get paid $435 dollars a day each. There are 8 of them. Not to mention all the secretaries and other dead wood. They also have a lawyer who I’m sure gets paid somewhere in the $500,000 range. Also a doctor who must get somewhere near that and a bureaucrat for Manitoba Labour who I’m sure is making over 100 G’s a year. Why Manitoba Labour is involved is anyone’s guess but these lefties have to spend other peoples’ money.

So I ended up going on my own to NY for 3 days and saw the 2 specialists there. I spent maybe $2000 for the whole works: airfare, heels, taxi’s, subway, touristy things, meals, Dr’s fees. I would estimate that Manitoba Appeal board spent $20,000 to say “no”.

In case you haven’t noticed we already have a two tier health care system. We have the publicly funded one and then the one where after paying huge taxes to be denied healthcare a person pays again out of their own pocket to go to the US or Europe.

In Southern Manitoba well over 250 people have paid out of their own pocket (in the $35,000 range) for back surgeries in Germany. Their are so many people waiting in Manitoba that the German surgeons come here to do consultations.

So don’t yap about efficiency of the Canadian Health care system. It is bloated with hacks, unionized dead wood and layers of management that any corporation would have hacked away decades ago. The funding doesn’t go to primary healthcare. It goes to buy votes from the unionized bloat.
commented 2016-08-08 11:00:31 -0400
If you have socialized medicine you are going to have wait times – qui est veritas!
There are huge advantages for the poor – they get medical care for ‘free’…
The wealthy are at a disadvantage – they have to wait as long as the rest of us – except if they are able to travel outside of Canada.
‘All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others’ – the famous, the connected…
No one will be bankrupted by a medical problem – if you survive the wait times…
The left thinks it’s OK to make the rich pay and pay and pay…just because they’re rich.
The provincial bank-busting burden of medical care is a result of too many ‘administrators’ and not enough nurses – as Holly said, ‘governments’ love to grow.
The problem is ALWAYS ‘the government’…
“We’re ‘the government’ and we’re here to help you…”
commented 2016-08-08 02:42:03 -0400
Hi Holly. You already know the standard leftist response. “It’s not fair!” As long as the system listens to this response, there will be no meaningful improvements. Of course, leftists will just say have the rich pay more taxes, since the rich don’t need all that money.
commented 2016-08-08 01:53:03 -0400
Richard Howard that would be so awesome, the left would have no way to criticize it.
commented 2016-08-08 01:43:46 -0400
Westbank First Nation has been talking about building a private hospital.
commented 2016-08-08 01:34:01 -0400
Andrew Stephenson where did you pull that BS out of?
commented 2016-08-08 01:32:23 -0400
Jay Kelly health care in Canada is not cost effective in any way, where the hell did you get that BS?
And sorry if Kyle tells the truth.
commented 2016-08-08 00:09:37 -0400
Kyle, I find your posting crude and disgusting. Do you talk to your mother with that mouth?
commented 2016-08-07 23:34:10 -0400
Waiting in line to die?

Better not die or you might be having sex with a horny Muslim.


(NECROPHILIA IN ISLAM ) Why do “devout Muslims” want to have sex with dead wives? The answer is simple. It is a Muslim’s duty to imitate the actions of their prophet Muhammad. Because Muhammad was a necrophilia freak and BANGED his dead aunt in her grave, the truly devout Muslims feel the need to also practice necrophilia. That is why devout Islamic hardliners want to legalize necrophilia in Egypt. Apparently, Muhammad was discovered humping the dead corpse of his aunt in the grave when his “companions” started to fill in the grave. His companions were shocked! But Muhammad explained to his companions that he was merely anointing the corpse of his aunt with his “holy spunk” so as to guarantee her passage into paradise. Here is a printable PDF that you can print out and share with ignorant “Liberals” so they will know what the leftist media doesn’t want you to know about evil Islam. SEXUAL PERVERSIONS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD NECROPHILIA WITH HIS DEAD AUNT How on earth can a human get a boner for a dead body? What kind of human can keep an erection for a corpse? Muhammad, the MONSTER can. Below are more articles on MONSTER MUHAMMAD and his necrophilia perversion. Islam – The Crimes of Prophet Mohammed Death-sex: The Legitimate Law of Necrophilia in Islam Egypt’s women urge MPs not to pass early marriage, sex-after-death laws Egypt’s Mursi slips on necrophilia Islamic Teachings about Necrophilia (Sex with Dead Ones) And here all this time you thought that the monster Muhammad only raped women and children and was a mass murderer of non-Muslims. Folks, I tell you the truth…If the Koran said to eat pig shit and wash it down with a bowl of camel’s piss, there are Muslims who would actually eat pig shit and drink camel’s piss. DRINKING OF CAMEL PISS IS HALAL IN ISLAM Muslim drinking camel urine as Mohamed said (VIDEO) Can anybody think of a more satanic, murderous death cult than Islam? If you can, please share your findings with the rest of us.
commented 2016-08-07 23:10:51 -0400
Thank heavens for The Rebel. A hybrid of independent journalism and special-interest group propaganda.

The Rebel allows comments that no legitimate news outlet in Canada would allow, like this gem: “Could it be that some Evil Genius is trying to wipe out the white race, or is it just the Muslim controlled UN and Puppet Trudeau.”

Health care in Canada is extraordinarily cost-effective compared to the United States, but there are some countries who do better.

So let us relish and celebrate The Rebel while we have it. There are many countries in the world that would love to have an outlet even half as free as this one.
commented 2016-08-07 22:49:24 -0400
Time to start the Canadian Patient Protective Association and start class action law suits against our “medical” system.
commented 2016-08-07 21:45:19 -0400
Lloyds’ idea is good….nobody would have the nerve to touch the Indians, and we could get first world health care delivery for a change…!
commented 2016-08-07 20:31:07 -0400
Oh Dear! Could it be that some Evil Genius is trying to wipe out the white race, or is it just the Muslim controlled UN and Puppet Trudeau.
commented 2016-08-07 20:27:25 -0400
Don’t worry people, Trudeau has the answer—bring in hundreds of thousands of Refugees, (many with mental issues) and the lineup will go down.
commented 2016-08-07 19:52:39 -0400
Public health systems ARE euthanasia – it’s about rationing – ask a soviet, that’s where the system came from.
commented 2016-08-07 19:16:50 -0400
I agree that there should be a hybrid care system. That covered by Medical would be things like heart surgeries etc, the excessively costly things. What shouldn’t be covered are the ‘smaller’ less serious things. It would go a LONG ways towards emptying the emerg rooms of those going to see a doctor because of a cold and having those staff available for REAL emergencies. We’d actually get better care as well because doctors would have to provide better services or go broke.
commented 2016-08-07 17:41:15 -0400
Why doesn’t some entrepreneurial Indian reservation set up private hospitals and clinics, and instead of Canadians heading to other countries, just go to nearest providing reserve
commented 2016-08-07 17:08:50 -0400
I’m in Ontario, my family doctor of 27 years won’t see me now because I haven’t seen her in seven years. She will see two of my four boys, but she will not see me or my wife or the other two boys. Even supposed walk in clinics refuse to take on new patients. In my pursuit to find a doctor, I always see people from the third world waiting to see a doctor.
commented 2016-08-07 16:58:59 -0400

10..HOOD of a car
19..TRUNK of a car
commented 2016-08-07 15:56:05 -0400
Public health care, the sacred cow of Canada and the cement shoes on the budget of every province. No one is going to try and change it. It’s so ingrained in us that our healthcare is “the best in the world”, but by every available metric it’s mediocre at best. We’re stuck with it. Every asleep individual in this country thinks of our health care in a patriotic sense and this has been ingrained in us by careful social engineering, which was designed and financed by healthcare unions and left wing parties.

In the bigger picture an opportunity for a reset appears to be coming up. I can’t say “on the bright side” because there’s nothing nice about it.
commented 2016-08-07 15:38:49 -0400
Absolutely. It is criminal to make it so difficult for people to get timely care. Almost everyone knows of someone who has lost a loved one due to the inefficiently run system. A hybrid system makes sense, and would take the pressure off of the existing public system. Win, win.
commented 2016-08-07 15:18:42 -0400
I agree with Holly, the Canadian health care sys should be hybrid private and public.