November 30, 2015

SHOWDOWN: Censored Christian group heads to hearing with Toronto bureaucrats

Ezra LevantRebel Commander

I caught up with our good friend, lawyer John Carpay, who is representing Voices of the Nations in their battle with the city of Toronto.

As we've told you before, Voices of the Nations has held celebrations at the city's Yonge & Dundas Square for years, featuring performances of Christian songs.

This year their permit was not renewed, with the city citing "proselytizing" as the reason.

This isn't the first time Christians have been singled out for censorship by city officials, even though members of other faith groups preach on the same site.

Carpay says he and Voices of the Nations will be at a hearing on December 10 to fight back. (Interestingly, even Toronto's mayor John Tory has come out tentatively on Voices of the Nation's side.)

Carpay explains what his plans are if the city doesn't reverse its decision.

Make no mistake: will be at the December 10 hearing to give you the story.

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commented 2015-12-02 07:48:22 -0500
Its not about anti christian, or anti-muslim. Its more about being anti – invisible sky wizard (whatever the name). Sigh… You see when we dont confront people who say dumb things about invisible sky wizards that are moderate, we are out of practice and timid when the rhetoric gets more extreme and sadly… it always does. I thinks its great that we are practicing here in Canad with our religious moderates. When they start talking the hopes and dreams of an invisible sky wizard or about how ther entrenched status quo (I wish i was so persecuted i didn’t pay taxes!) more Canadians need to tell them to keep that nonsense in your living room. When Christian people held both spiritual and temporal authority over the common man they ushered in a time of moral corruption and government waste that was simply ,staggering even for humanity,, those times are now referred to in the annals of history as the dark ages. And they truly were. Keep your carols, your mangers and all that other nonsense at home please. Thank you
commented 2015-12-02 06:19:11 -0500
There’s nothing anti-Christian about not wanting to hire a band that is proselytizing. They are more than allowed to do so in all sorts of spaces, but why should we pay them to proselytize?
commented 2015-12-02 01:30:05 -0500
Jay, anti christian has been going on for a very long time, far before anti Islam.
commented 2015-12-02 01:24:14 -0500
There is a virulent stream of anti-Islam in Canada today and it should surprise no-one that it opens the door for anti-Christian and anti-Jewish sentiments to come out too. I think we have to ask ourselves if we are fundamentally a people of tolerance and respect, or fundamentally hateful and bitter.
commented 2015-12-01 14:34:03 -0500
It would be wrong not to admit that the natural governing organized church (Roman Catholic) has certainly lost its’ way from time to time. Power certainly corrupts. There’s good reasons for the Protestant reformation. Having said that, it’s almost amusing listening to some people twist themselves into knots trying to drag Christians down to the level of Muslim terrorists.
commented 2015-12-01 10:44:54 -0500
You can bash Christians all you like! But wait and see if you will get away with it. When you want to kick his children out and take their rights from them HELL will set in. That’s means no God then no more peace on earth, no morality, no prosperity, no sin conviction, in other words a deprived nation. DO you actually think the Liberal’s part time drama teacher will be your saviour? That man is embarrassing Canada with all his big $$ promises. He doesn’ t even keep tab of all his high flutten spending because he plans to just LIE after to cover his liberal bum!
commented 2015-12-01 01:45:12 -0500
Robert Caugill said, “And of course Christians never bully others. I guess during the Crusades/Inquisition where people either converted to Christianity or were killed was just a made up story?”

Why, yes, Robert Caugill, it is just a made up story, at least the way you present it. The Crusades were an ill-advised military campaign to retake Christian lands that were lost to the Islamic Ottoman Turks in there War of conquest. After Muslim forces defeated the Byzantines at the Battle of Yarmouk, they domination and subjugation all non-Muslims i9n the areas under their control. However, in the end, it didn’t turn out too good for the Christians. As for the Inquisition, it was started in 1478 by Catholic Monarchs Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile, not by the Catholic Church. However, the Monarchs managed to convince/hire many Priests and Bishops to carry out this “Inquisition”, but it was never sanctioned by the Holy See in Rome. And there was no forced conversions, as you say! In fact, quite the opposite. At that time Christians, Jews and Muslims were living in relative peace and harmony in Spain. However, since Spain was a Christian Nation, Christians had a great economic advantage in the market place. There was no problem for the Inquisitors if Jews were openly practicing Judaism, or Muslims were openly practicing their religion. The problem was, non-Christians pretending to be Christian for financial gain. Those were the people the Inquisition was seeking out.
commented 2015-11-30 20:40:54 -0500
Furthermore I am doubtful that you will find any group throughout history whose hands are totally clean. Have Muslims? Were Native Indians always kind and peaceful to each other? Were Hindus? Atheists certainly were not. They can boast of one of the biggest genocides in history all within the brief rise of Communism and yet you chose to single out Christians as though somehow Christians alone are not entitled to the same rights as everyone else. How bizarre.
commented 2015-11-30 20:20:53 -0500
I hope they are going to sue the pants off of them because that is the only language that sends a message. If they get a slap on the wrist they will be at it again. This is a battle that has already been won and we should not even have to be fighting it again except some rude politicians think they can get away with it. If it costs big bucks jobs will be lost if not it is a meaningless slap on the wrist we can look forward to repeating over and over.
Robert Caughell your grasp on history is truly dumb founding. If you understood the most infinitesimal amount of history you would know the crusades were about stopping the Muslim expansion who were threatening Rome.
commented 2015-11-30 19:27:20 -0500
Gotta love how Natalie Bellman(sp?) uses the word ‘proselytizing’ repeatedly as a reason to shut down the event. It’s such an infrequently used word that I doubt most people know what it actually means. However, if asked, most people would certainly say it ‘sounds very bad.’ Natalie knows that saying ‘The Christians want to proselytize’ sounds much, much worse than ‘The Christians want to hold a concert.’
commented 2015-11-30 19:01:04 -0500
Well said Arnold – here here!!
commented 2015-11-30 18:56:18 -0500
Oh, and Robert – I’m guessing you think far right wingers are akin to Nazis? Hitler and co. were Socialists. Yeah – Lefty Socialists – like YOU!! And that you want to throw others in jail for not thinking like you is a perfect example of just WHO is the Nazi around here! Well, I hope you keep coming back and commenting, it’ll give you a chance to learn something. Or, as I often claim – are you “incapable of learning”?? Did you write down that book by Tochueville? Were going to buy it straight away and read it? No? Why not? How ’bout The Road to Serfdom – gonna read that one? Do you read ANY books Robert??
commented 2015-11-30 18:52:50 -0500
Robert Caughell, if you could think in principles, you might be able to see that the issue is about freedom of expression. The universities have really done damage to the epistemology of their students. Thinking ability has been overridden by mindless emotion.
commented 2015-11-30 18:49:55 -0500
Robert. Ahhhh yes, the Crusades, the only thing you ever hear Lefty Socialists bring up. And you think it was them trying to force their religion on others do you? You utter ignoramace!! The Muslims – the Ottaman Empire – brutally suppressed Christians for well over 300yrs, until they finally fought back you idiot! Secondly, you probably think that it was “Liberals” that created “Liberal Democracies” – don’t you, don’t you?!?!? Bad news imbecile – it was Christians and Jews that created democracies and all the rights we enjoy today – fool! Try reading a book instead of getting your info from John Stewart and the like.
commented 2015-11-30 18:20:53 -0500
Robert when did Ezra or any of us ever say Christians never did anything wrong anyways? ANd how would it excuse this crap as every group has done something wrong , yet only one group is targeted? Please answer me that you hypocrite.
commented 2015-11-30 18:19:14 -0500
Robert how many are being slaughtered these days? Why can Muslims preach on the streets? Why can Muslims hide their face but Christians cannot? Atheists have murdered more people than any religion, why do they not get treated bad?
commented 2015-11-30 18:16:05 -0500
Robert the crusades were a response to hundreds of years of Muslim violence and forced conversion, people fighting back is not a bad thing. How do you think the middle east became so Islamic?
commented 2015-11-30 18:15:46 -0500
Robert caugHELL. Do some research. The crusades were a reaction to the slaughter of Christians by the Turks. (Islam). If you don’t learn from history it is bound to repeat. Take Europe for example
commented 2015-11-30 18:05:18 -0500
Robert Caugill said, “And of course Christians never bully others. I guess during the Crusades/Inquisition where people either converted to Christianity or were killed was just a made up story?”

If you have to go back over 500 years to come up with some Christian “pushing others around”, then you really have nothing, Robert. And your concept of the Spanish Inquisition is distorted. Maybe you should go read up about it and get the facts.
commented 2015-11-30 17:03:19 -0500
Good call, Mark! Robert’s overlooked a few inconvenient tripwires: for example, that the Crusades were waged to force militant Islam away from its harassment of Christians (and to keep its armies out of Europe). The Inquisition was active in countries that were Christian already, not a proselytizing tool as he implies.

He can’t even parse the self-evident fact that they were two distinct events, separated by centuries! — let alone that the Christians are the victims of official bullies here and now. One thing I do “have to love,” though, is Ezra’s resolve to force the bullies down. Time for more of us warriors to stand!
commented 2015-11-30 16:50:26 -0500
Robert Caughell. Really?! Ya gotta go back a thousand years to find something? Oh, and by the way, that was the Roman Catholic church. There are lots of other brands of Christianity that haven’t killed anyone. You really need to get over your bitterness about Christians and move on.
commented 2015-11-30 16:24:36 -0500
And of course Christians never bully others. I guess during the Crusades/Inquisition where people either converted to Christianity or were killed was just a made up story? You have to love the self rightious hypocrisy of EZ and his right wing ilk.
commented 2015-11-30 16:22:31 -0500
Thank GOD for people like John Carpay and the CTF, Ezra, Brian and the rest of THEREBELrousers.
commented 2015-11-30 16:09:01 -0500
I wonder who is paying all these low level Bureaucrats to pick on Christians. Saudi Arabia"? We live in a corrupt society.
commented 2015-11-30 16:04:40 -0500
How much borrowed money is the city going to be paying out to settle Nanaimo Part Deux?
commented 2015-11-30 14:25:42 -0500
November 30, 2015
Dear Diary;
Gerald’s just explained to me about that queen saying she felt old wasn’t really her way of taking my poke at her with good humour. It was really what Gerald called a veiled dig at me for being young. Aside from chucking her portrait in the garbage, I’m getting sick and tired of these old farts. This at least validates me for saying that it’s the middle class that needed the most help, and to hell with that stupid report about Canada’s middle class, under Stevie, becoming the wealthiest in the world, when it’s obvious to anyone that those who I’ve said need help the most will have voted for me. And anyway, why waste good revenue on people that don’t have long to live.
No rest for the wicked. My environmental gal, Catherine McKenna, has got everyone here confused because they don’t understand my plan for having legally binding agreements with targets and consequences that are not legally binding. I know, what could be simpler, right? At least before she tried for about the fourth time to explain it, she blamed their confusion on the fact that allegedly she’s a lawyer. Geez, I hope she doesn’t turn out to be another fake like Kirsti Duncan.
Thank goodness my BFF (B.O.) stepped in and cleared things up with his genius. He explained that because we cause climate change and climate change causes terrorism it then behoves us to feel responsible and guilty for anything in the world that’s not quite right. By that time everyone had forgotten about what toots was trying to say, and they all nodded their heads knowingly. Isn’t he something else?
This isn’t what I need right now because I’d no sooner given that Indian PM guy a piece of my mind the other day when I find out he’s gone and arrested a Canadian journalist. Next thing I’m gonna have that Clooney woman bitching at me for not doing enough. C’mon people, remember, I’m working two or three times harder than anyone else.
commented 2015-11-30 13:53:28 -0500
Only two kinds in Ont. communists and Muslims.
commented 2015-11-30 13:43:19 -0500
Ezra, it would be great if you could get a interview with John Willow Tory.