June 04, 2016

“That's not making me feel any better…” Challenging a PRO-carbon tax conservative

Rebel Staff
 

At the Conservative Party convention in Vancouver, I ran into my old friend Mark Cameron. We've worked on political campaigns together -- but now he's part of a group advocating a carbon tax. Here's an excerpt from our debate.



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commented 2016-06-07 20:18:47 -0400
Michael Mann: I have never said that I don’t watch the CBC. I think it is important to hear what your political opponents are reporting and to compare the slants from both sides. I watch CBC, CTV, CNN and the Rebel. Your comparison of Fox network with the CBC is ridiculous. Sure you know one is privately owned and the other is being paid for by our taxes. If the CBC was privately owned they would have the right to take nay angle they want as do Fox or any of the many other privately owned liberal biased news and television stations. If the CBC can’t act in a less biased manner they either need to split it up between the 3 major parties and if this is to bitter a pill to swallow then the government needs to get out of the media business. When you have Dave Mansbridge officiating liberal weddings I think we need to question if there is a conflict of interests.
commented 2016-06-07 18:46:35 -0400
Edward,

I thought no one watches the CBC and that’s why it should be cut. But now they are popular and powerful enough to “buy” an election?

You can’t have it both ways.

Consider this – Fox News is the biggest TV new channel – catering to the right wing and yet Democrats are winning elections. It’s a complete fallacy that media sways a vote.
commented 2016-06-07 17:10:42 -0400
Micheal Mann: Th CBC absolutely had it in for Harper. My aunt us to get literature regularly from them telling how he was threatening to cut their budget. Along comes Trudeau with promises to restore their rightful inheritance and they were all aboard. Even the NDP recognized the biased coverage the CBC gave liberals. (Was even the butt of a few of Mulcairs jokes at last weekends gala. Sure Harper was hated by the unions who he stopped sucking up to but to say he was widely hated is the spin the liberals are trying to sell. By your same twisted logic the majority of Canadians must hate Trudeau because the majority voted other than Trudeau. The truth is in a globally stagnant economy people were understandably getting restless but the truth is we are in much better shape than others. Just wait until Trudeau is finished his spending spree. It really is unfair. Imagine you parents saving and watching their expenditures for years then one day junior gets a hold of their credit card a runs them up a huge debt which has no way of being repaid in their lifetime then moves out and leaves them to figure it out. This is what Joe public has not come to grips with YET but he will and it will take the next adscam before he starts to get wise.
commented 2016-06-07 14:15:58 -0400
David,

You hope that will happen, but it won’t – it’s just conservative fear mongering.

I will just say this – don’t be surprised when the Liberals keep getting voting in from now on.

I am 45 year old – own a business and I am happy with the Liberal party.
commented 2016-06-07 13:51:40 -0400
MICHAEL MORON MANN: you said "For many, social issues are more important than fiscal issues and that’s where conservatives fail.
When Baby Doc and his Gang of the Gong Show has their way with us for long enough, and we have been RUINED financially, and you and your like are groveling for your next meal, you won’t need your roladex of bathroom choices, if you don’t eat you don’t shit. Keep sniffing Turdo’s socks . Eventually reality will set in when the 10th tax hike in 3 years comes, “Gloomy Days” are here folks, it’s 2016. The Spanish giggling act on one of today’s articles should give a bit of insight as to how some foreigners view Baby Doc and Sophie’s shit show. Mr. Mann, would you indulge my curiosity with your age please? Just for research purposes. Thx, I hope.

DJBT, STPC, WTS and NN
commented 2016-06-07 12:59:29 -0400
Betina,

You couldn’t be more right.
commented 2016-06-07 12:56:32 -0400
Edward,

The CBC had nothing to do with it. Harper was hated and there were various polls for example where Canadians said that they were worse off under the Harper years. If you would like me to post those for you, I will.

The passion behind stopping Harper was huge. Canadians are happy now and yet this bothers you.
commented 2016-06-07 12:34:44 -0400
No, you just have to understand that your way of thinking went the way of the dinosaurs with the majority of Canadians.

Your type are a dying breed, and Canada will be a much better place because of it.

The CPC is going to have to change radically if it wishes to remain legitimate in any way.

Why?

Because it’s 2016, innit.
commented 2016-06-07 11:53:45 -0400
It’s funny Michael Mann said “But now that Liberal Party is back baby and has a leader that Canadians (and people in other countries) love, it’s going to be a very long time before there is a conservative Prime Minister again – I mean decades” Oddly his comment was eerily similar to another left poster here with the exception they added “and there is nothing you can do about it”. Decades? Nothing we can do about it? Sounds more like a dictatorship than a democracy.
commented 2016-06-07 10:11:58 -0400
The reason why the liberals one is because Trudeau bought off the CBC and the promise to grant the unions their wishes. They won because the media presented some infatuated idea of a Trudeamania which if people knew the real Pierre Trudeau they never would have voted for in the first place. But Pierre was wise in once sense. He didn’t broadcast his extremist views which shocked his closest friends when he entrusted them with his personal memoirs and can be found in the book Young Trudeau: Son of Quebec Father of Canada
commented 2016-06-07 10:01:36 -0400
Michael Mann: The reason the liberals lost was because people got tired of their blatant corruption. The only reason they are back is because the voters have a short memory and don’t seem to get it that it is their money that is being thrown around and it is us who will be left to pay back the debt they incur. And as soon as conservatives get it back on track the next generation of liberal will arrive on the scene ready to buy us with our own money and make themselves filthy rich in the process.
commented 2016-06-07 02:09:57 -0400
I’m not looking to Trump as a model for conservative policies. The problem is that the republicans, and by extension, the Canadian Conservative party, are no longer conservative. My hope is that Trump can break the chokehold of political correctness that has infected and corrupted everything we used to value including right wing politics. The Republican Party needs to be dismantled and rebuilt from the grassroots. It may take some time but eventually people are going to get fed up with the lies, empty rhetoric, lack of moral values and fiscal scams which are quickly eroding our way of life. A lack of money talks and even lefties don’t like being poor. Eventually sanity and fiscal restraint are going to start looking pretty good. The right needs to be ready.
commented 2016-06-07 00:06:59 -0400
You are probably right Michael Mann—- If Justin runs the Country like Jim Watson runs Ottawa - He could probably be PM forever. Justin is still a bit too full of himself and his enlightened Legacy—— To Wait.
commented 2016-06-06 23:57:27 -0400
Edward,

The only reason why Stephen Harper became Prime Minister in the first place, was because the Liberal Party at the time was fucked. It wasn’t because Canadians loved him or really wanted to vote conservative – they had no choice really.

It’s the same case for the following elections – even as a liberal myself, I couldn’t vote for Ignatieff or anyone else that they wanted to lead the party.

But now that Liberal Party is back baby and has a leader that Canadians (and people in other countries) love, it’s going to be a very long time before there is a conservative Prime Minister again – I mean decades.
commented 2016-06-06 23:57:07 -0400
In Ontario -Conservatives most definitely have to change.
The Liberals have changed -they are to the Left of the NDP.
And are more crooked than EVER.
For sure the Conservatives must change.
They must LOWER their standards of integrity to win an election in Ontario.
commented 2016-06-06 20:50:25 -0400
: I don’t know if there is much hope at this point but it seems obvious to me that if the Trump phenomena doesn’t start a change than it could get a lot more drastic. Right now true conservatives politicians don’t have much chance. :

It’s interesting that you hold up Trump as the salvation of “true conservatism”, given how he’s a democrat and consistently left of centre on most matters.
commented 2016-06-06 20:43:55 -0400
Michael Mann: says “You need to cut your losses when it comes to “true” conservatives. They are unelectable. So either center right or not at all”. We cannot continue to allow the left to define the issues. The same ones who would have us believe Harper was the worst thing that happened to Canada and yet he was the 6th longest raining Prime Minister of 23 in Canada’s history. Not bad for the allegedly “most hated” Prime Minister. I’m not really surprised by anything Michael Mann says and have become accustomed to expecting his distortions to be presented as gospel truth.
commented 2016-06-06 19:58:07 -0400
Elton,

You need to cut your losses when it comes to “true” conservatives. They are unelectable. So either center right or not at all.
commented 2016-06-06 17:52:41 -0400
Edward, your absolutely right about the left stream media. Michael Mann keeps telling us about how so many Canadians don’t think like us. He may be right but only because left wing bias is so entrenched in all of western media, education and culture that the masses are truly brainwashed. I don’t know if there is much hope at this point but it seems obvious to me that if the Trump phenomena doesn’t start a change than it could get a lot more drastic. Right now true conservatives politicians don’t have much chance.
commented 2016-06-06 17:52:41 -0400
Edward, your absolutely right about the left stream media. Michael Mann keeps telling us about how so many Canadians don’t think like us. He may be right but only because left wing bias is so entrenched in all of western media, education and culture that the masses are truly brainwashed. I don’t know if there is much hope at this point but it seems obvious to me that if the Trump phenomena doesn’t start a change than it could get a lot more drastic. Right now true conservatives politicians don’t have much chance.
commented 2016-06-06 17:13:01 -0400
Trudeau seems to use the excuse that whatever he does must be acceptable because Canadians gave his government a mandate. They did not give him a mandate to spend triple the amount he said or to try and ram through changes in the electoral procedures which he never made a major issue in his campaign. These changes according to liberal critics could ensure they stay in power allot longer than the public was ever made aware of. For all the talk of Harper and his so called hidden agenda it is the liberals who are the worst for abusing the trust of the voters. http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=884660
commented 2016-06-06 17:12:58 -0400
Here’s a conservative (note the small c) idea for you, Mark Cameron. It’s from MAC CUMMING on last week’s “reinstate Derek Fildebrandt” thread:

“Personally I have decided that I will not vote for any candidate that continues to not tell the truth about the colossal hoax of Climate Change. This pack of untruths is killing off any hope of prosperity. "

Clear enough? And that’s a big ditto from me, my wife, and our kids and their spouses.
commented 2016-06-06 16:24:01 -0400
Conservatives seem to really have a hard time understanding that the rest of Canada may not feel as you do and thus, they will continue to vote for Trudeau, because he is doing what they want him to be doing.

It’s not all about taxes. For many – social issues are more important than fiscal issues and that’s where conservatives fail.

If Trudeau keeps winning election, you need to accept in a democracy that Canada has spoken.
commented 2016-06-06 11:02:02 -0400
It’s really an astonishing admission to hear Liberal supporters playing up the popularity angle of the electability of a candidate. Do they have a point? Certainly. The point is that they are willing to exploit the public’s prejudices and biases which they help cultivate in order to win at any cost. It’s with regret that I can understand where Michael Mann is coming from having spent a good portion of my life wasted on romanticizing people who I thought were good looking or cool at the expense of recognizing a person who was good or reliable or experienced and at the same time looking down on others because of some flaw in physical appearance. Then one day something quite unexpected occurred. I grew up a little. Experience teaches you the “hottest” girl or guy means nothing if they have serious attitude problems. Do I still appreciate a good looking or well dressed person? Certainly but I also know putting a suit on a bum gives you nothing more than a well dressed bum. It’s also quite telling to hear Liberals make comments about who cares about some “old white guy”? Imagine if a politician had said that about some “old black guy” or “some old woman”. The lefty media would be having a field day exposing the blatant racism or sexism. Ironically it’s OK for Hillary Clinton to call Donald Trump a sexist a few months after publicly asking “isn’t it time we had a woman for a President”. I would hope we were past all that. Race, sex , whether you are good looking or not should not be an issue but it is when the media sees it as opportunity to exploit the biases they help cultivate. I couldn’t care less if Justin Trudeau is or isn’t good looking and neither should the rest of society.
commented 2016-06-06 09:14:51 -0400
Egil, that is just too depressing. I have to believe that we can do better than Justin Trudeau. I have to hold out hope that there will be a party worth voting for in Canada.
I know that there are a lot of Canadians who value their individual freedoms, and freedom from government interference. I know that Canada was built by strong people, immigrants to a new land who not only wanted to breath free air , but have an opportunity. They also appreciated and respected those things Canada offered and wanted to help build onto the prosperity. They wanted to see those values remain strong so that their children could live in a free country, and their children.
We have had a long stretch of prosperity and these kids don’t know suffering. They will find out, and when they are properly disgusted they will change their voting habits. Not all, since not all recover from the disease that is the socialism perpetuated by the liberal progressives. I have to believe that enough will.
commented 2016-06-06 08:53:39 -0400
Ever notice how everybody pushing this greenie crap has stumble through their answers?

Probably because they’re trying to figure out how to spin some kind of yarn instead of just present their “data” which they know will be blown out of the water by hard cold facts.
commented 2016-06-06 03:40:33 -0400
Elton Braun: It is also a sad day that we can so easily buy off the CBC, and other unions and to have an auditor uncover inexcusable waste of taxpayers money being paid in the 80 millions and hardly any of the media even talks about it. If Trudeau wins again and there is a good chance he will it will be because we have a real problem breaking the grip of the government over the state run media.
commented 2016-06-06 03:30:36 -0400
Elton Braun: They will have no choice but to bring in Carbon taxes and any other tax they can get away with to finance their spending spree of our money. At the end of the day they have no guarantee that we will be anything other than deeper in debt. They get to retire with their investments in offshore accounts and leave it for us to figure out because like Thomas Mulcair put it I give zero F*#%*.
commented 2016-06-06 03:15:52 -0400
Michael Mann: The problem is that the media has made it all about popularity so we are stuck with a Prim Minister lacking any substance. It’s like the employer who given the choice between a bimbo and one who can actually type opts for the bimbo and then tries to justify it by claiming that typing isn’t everything and besides she probably has other skills that are more useful. So we have a Prime Minister who we are regularly assured of is hot and popular if you don’t believe drag his mommy out to remind us what a special boy he is. What you don’t get is we are stuck with a himbo who has no economic experience and has every indication of throwing vast amounts of yours and my money at a problem and hopes it sticks. Shame on the voters for lacking the maturity and showing the kind of prejudice against the old white (which is supposed to be illegal under the Charter) because the lefty media is pandering to a crowd who lacks the intelligence and political sophistication to prioritize substance over style.
commented 2016-06-06 02:50:39 -0400
Liza Rosie, after 7 decades I can say there is a trend and it is not a momentary blip. Canadians are socialistic and our parties cater to the median in order to get elected. Our education system is 100% progressive and the kids graduate with a prefigured view of life which is hard to change. Only the school of hard knocks will allow some light into their perception of their life views. Considering we are allowing, actually encouraging, younger people, with no life experience, to vote guarantees a slide into progressive governments. Look at the disaster in Europe and you see a Canadian future.