October 11, 2016

Critics hate Trump for telling the truth about Canadian healthcare

Holly NicholasRebel Commentator
 

Donald Trump stirred up some controversy in Canada for remarks he made about our healthcare system noting the long wait times that can result in catastrophic consequences for those with serious illnesses, but is he right?

According to several reports completed by the Fraser Institute, he is.

The Institute claims over 52,000 Canadians sought medical treatment abroad in 2014, up from 25% the previous year. Average wait times from general practitioner to treatment are 18.3 weeks and that’s just for ten specialties with orthopaedic surgery having the longest average wait times of 35.7 weeks.

In Alberta, we have the largest healthcare system in Canada with an average wait time of 21.1 weeks.

The worst consequences that come along with wait times like we have in Canada is they can result in chronic conditions becoming irreversible.

Another misconception about the Canadian healthcare system is that it’s free. In yet another report released by the Fraser Institute, it shows the average family spends $12,000 on healthcare insurance yearly.

That’s because Canadians spend thousands of tax dollars yearly for a system that’s rife with issues, including long wait times, lack of technology and advanced services.

For these reasons, tens of thousands of Canadians flock to the US seeking treatment.

What Donald Trump said is true and those criticizing him likely haven’t had to spend time getting treated for a serious illness in our system. And I hope they never have to.

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commented 2016-10-13 12:41:12 -0400
Rod, Jimmy doesn’t want to hear facts. Liberals remind me of myself when I was 12. It was all about “that’s not fair”. I know a friend who has real back issues and can’t get an MRI for 9 months. He plans to go to Washington state to have it done. That speaks volumes.
commented 2016-10-12 11:31:02 -0400
Jimmy: "It has been fantastic for me all my life. " Good for you…but you are the exception. The reality is that our health care delivery broken, archaic, and needs to overhauled now…we are ranked last in the OECD and 37th by the WHO.
I lived in France (ranked #1) where there are NO wait times, for emergency service, diagnostic or consultations…and it cost me about the same as I pay in BC…
Instead of constantly bleating that “we’re better than the US” we must find out who has the best and adapt it to our particular circumstances.
commented 2016-10-12 02:36:09 -0400
JILL AND JOHN WARD commented 10 hours ago
BUT IF YOU ARE A REFUGEE /MUSLIM ,YOU GET FIRST DIBS, THE LIONS SHARE AND THE BEST OF WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER INCLUDING THAT WHICH WE CANADIANS ARE REFUSED- ALL FOR FREE!! THANK YOU MOHAMMED TRUDEAU AND YOUR LIBERAL POLICIES! THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST IN WHERE WE CANADIANS ARE CONCERNED IS OUR MONEY WHICH YOU ARE BLOWING THROUGH FASTER THAN WE CAN MAKE IT SO YOU, YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND ALL YOUR SPECIAL PEOPLE CAN LIVE THE GOOD LIFE WHILE WE CONTINUE TO LOSE OUR JOBS, HOMES, PENSIONS, HEALTH CARE, FREEDOMS, SECURITY, RIGHTS, CULTURE, VALUES, IDENTITY AND FINALLY, COUNTRY WHICH YOU CAN’T WAIT TO ANNIHILATE AND TURN INTO A THIRD WORLD ISLAMIC , WAR TORN HELL HOLE!! YOU SHOULD BE HUNG IN PUBLIC- I’D PAY TO WATCH YOU NO GOOD , ROTTEN TO THE CORE, PIECE OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“Nicely said”
commented 2016-10-12 02:03:26 -0400
Kelly Weber we are the ones who pay for it , and every surgery i have had was done by an old person. There are only so many young surgeons and specialists as many young people get a subsidized education then leave to practice in the US or elsewhere. You are an idiot.
commented 2016-10-12 01:57:11 -0400
Why couldn’t we have contract nurses and contract doctors contract administrators… and so on, I’m opposed to salary… Salary doesn’t tend to bring out the best of work ethic in people. The most productive people on the planet are the hourly people..!! Why not… We could have them sign on to our contracts which gives the holder of the contract the Authority to enforce the contract….
commented 2016-10-12 01:56:48 -0400
All the celebs supporting Hillary do not care , they will jump ahead. If politicians had to wait in line just like us the system would be fixed real damn fast. I hope lots of anti Trump people here in Canada get bumped by a phony refugee, you deserve it.
commented 2016-10-12 01:54:16 -0400
Public private mix is the best.
commented 2016-10-12 01:53:34 -0400
Jimmy Reece good libs like Danny Williams and Chretin have done so, and some people saved their lives by doing it.
commented 2016-10-12 01:50:36 -0400
And now the bureaucracy chokes the life out of whatever’s left in the system. The administration process are the final nails in this coffin..
commented 2016-10-12 01:50:23 -0400
Jimmy Reece you do pay for it with taxes. And buzzfeed is a liberal propaganda wing.
commented 2016-10-12 01:47:25 -0400
There are good stories about our medicare system. My mother had a heart attack three days into her trip to Florida, this years ago. The hospital spoke with Quebec medicare and she was flown back by a medical transport jet to Canada the next day. In Canada she went into surgery the next morning for a 4 bypass operation.

My cousin’s husband went for a blood test. The next morning he was told to come to the hospital immediately. He began treatment for cancer and a bone in his back was removed because it was cancerous. Unfortunately, nine months later he passed away.

Yes, sometimes it works. Unfortunately, many times it doesn’t.

Governments throw money at medicine, but the funds seem to end up with management. Counting needles, redundant charting, and so on seem, from my friends in medicine, to be a way to keep them from patients. Too many layers of supervision when one person would do but for administrative purposes three more levels are added. And when cutbacks are mandated, its usually beds, not administration that gets cut.

In Quebec a GP is only allowed to work a certain amount of hours a year. Past that they don’t get paid. They may seem to be well paid but that pay includes office, equipment, assistant or secretary, and all other expenses, so the money isn’t as great as one would think. Hospital equipment lays waiting overnight as the government won’t pay technicians or surgeons to keep the equipment or operating rooms into 24 use. But cut down on pencil pushers? Committees? Overpaid directors?

But hey, who am I other than a tax payer.
commented 2016-10-12 01:47:15 -0400
Canada at one time had the greatest healthcare system in the world…!! But that was before millions of people over the course of years that have been feeding off our healthcare system for over several decades now that contributed absolutely nothing to it.

Checkmate..!!!!
commented 2016-10-12 00:57:46 -0400
Jay Collin, once you are diagnosed & it is life threatening, then the response is fairly quick, but it’s the time leading up to the diagnosis by the soecialist which is unrealistically long & stressful.
The healthcare system has too many departments all loaded up with CEOs & assistants, which drain it financially. It’s not so much that more money is needed as it is to weed it out by reorganizing & getting rid of the waste & redundant beaurocrats. The waiting times in emergency here in MB are atrocious, up to 8hrs & more & too many people run to emergency & doctors for every little thing. There should be a quota established for these people, after the first visit if you return again soon, there should be a charge & I think that might help curb this behaviour of abusing the system.
commented 2016-10-12 00:23:25 -0400
Holly Nicholas seems to be on a rant. Some of her claims about health care delivery in Canada seem to be spot on, but then she quotes Donald Trump as a sort of an “ideal”. Donald Trump did not grow up in a country of universal health care, as many of us did. He has no idea how care for all citizens and in particular care for the weakest citizens has built up our country.

Holly Nicholas will hopefully point out how a sound public health system is part of a strong country.
commented 2016-10-11 23:11:10 -0400
Brian Senka, I had a test done in April. I get to see the doc for follow up and debriefing in November. I don’t actually need it because I was smart enough to ask the technician about the results. This will be one of those 10 minute appointments to line the pocket to the doctor who will tell me what I already know.
commented 2016-10-11 23:10:40 -0400
Clinton has now offered the 99% are choice of buckets..her 1% are of course on a different level..we are all either deplorables or losers..there is no 3rd bucket.
commented 2016-10-11 21:28:24 -0400
When I was diagnosed with congested heart failure it took only a month and a half to go to my specialist. I don’t think that is a long time.
commented 2016-10-11 20:59:56 -0400
I have watched the health care sytem steadily deteriorate. The wait times to see a specialist are now outrageous. Under the current legislation patients are not permitted to make private arrangements. How is it fair that the people who pay for the system are forced to wait in line behind the people who are not so paying.?
The result is many Canadians are engaged in medical tourism. They are looking for countries where they can get fast and cost efficient care.
commented 2016-10-11 20:57:04 -0400
Buttercup, you might want to read that article again, in its entirety.
commented 2016-10-11 20:35:20 -0400
BRYAN SENKA what province was that?

Washington Post. hardy har har.
commented 2016-10-11 19:19:37 -0400
While I definitely think we need more private delivery in Canada, the complaints of wait times are generally exaggerated for effect. I’ve never seen anyone wait anywhere close to what the posted wait times are for anything. For instance, the official MRI wait time in my province is 26 weeks, yet I’ve had several of them always in only a few days. Several other people I know have also had them in two weeks or less. The wait list for knee surgery is over 40 weeks, I got mine reconstructed in less than 8. Not ideal, sure, but still better than we are being told.
commented 2016-10-11 18:30:56 -0400
It’s a proven fact that a hybrid system would work. The same plan that King Ralph wanted to adopt in Alberta. But there again the the cretinous government and the lamestream media handed out so much false information that it was scrapped. Too bad we didn’t separate back then also.
commented 2016-10-11 18:27:54 -0400
I have a solution for our healthcare problems but you old people won’t like it.
commented 2016-10-11 18:04:38 -0400
The healthcare plan in Alberta is to ensure unionized bureaucrats in the Health Ministry have healthy wallets courtesy of the taxpayer.

Notley even admitted this when she said cuts to healthcare would mean fewer front line workers, not overpaid union bureaucrats.
commented 2016-10-11 17:51:07 -0400
‘like any healthcare plan in the world’ …….it can be improved upon. There is a reason thousands of Canadians are seeking care in other countries, and alternatives in their own. I resent having to pay into a system which has no inclination to improve itself. Our system needs a complete overhaul. The money and time wasted with redundant management and bureaucracy should be cut in half for starters. The acknowledgement of alternative practitioners, and acceptance of private clinics would go a long way to alleviating waiting times in the system. That would be a good thing for all.
commented 2016-10-11 17:31:18 -0400
Liza,

You do realize that the vast majority of Canadian support Canada’s healthcare system right and would kill if someone tried to take it away? I don’t expect millions of people to respond in comments sections of various websites, but the support in that regard has been overwhelming.

Can it be improved? Sure. Nonetheless though – Canadians love our healthcare system, but like any healthcare plan in the world – it will suck for some and be fantastic for others.

It has been fantastic for me all my life.
commented 2016-10-11 16:50:22 -0400
Jill and john ward ..DITTO , well said .
commented 2016-10-11 16:47:39 -0400
I have to add that with all the complaining about our healthcare here in Canada, it is rather odd that the fact of the matter is the whole world – from illegals, visitors on down arrive daily for their ‘free" healthcare off of us! FACT!! Here in Ontario and other provinces as well , there are clinics for illegals only and visitors quite often arrive here in Canada and then have a ambulance take them to the nearest hospital where they receive transplants, operations , treatments and so on for free! Again, FACT!! Don’t forget Toronto and Hamilton are ’sanctuary cities" for illegals who not only receive free health care but welfare as well and no doubt there are other cities and provinces with this provision. Canadians are suckers and wimps and the whole world knows it- including and especially our politicians who hate us all with a passion!
commented 2016-10-11 16:44:25 -0400
You are right Jill and John, Those of us who can’t get their own family doctor already, will be even further to the back of the line behind these refugees.
The only solution is to not get sick or wounded.