July 13, 2016

Dave Rutherford on Kenney’s “hostile takeover” of the Alberta PCs

Ezra LevantRebel Commander
 

Broadcaster Dave Rutherford and I talk about Jason Kenney's bid to lead the Alberta Progressive Conservatives, and the "steep hill" Kenney has to climb to get the job.

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commented 2016-07-13 19:40:01 -0400
Also, NDP Sucks the NDP are social democratic and no doubt third way Blairists meaning third way centrists that are far from even being social democratic.

I do not expect someone like you to know what ideology is and most neocons and populists do not know anything about variants.

The fact is the PCs had to become Red Tories in order fund a lot of the projects and services because of the structural deficits created by the Ralph Klein PCs. That is the honest truth about the Progressive Conservatives and why they had to moderate.

Progressive conservatism by its definition has always been fiscally responsible and socially progressive dating back to Sir John A. This is not hard to believe. People like Levant, Lilley and the rest want us to follow the US model but we should have our own nation and our own ideologies on what defines Canada.

Also, the NDP were much more democratic socialist under the NDP in the 70’s and the 60’s under the Trudeau days and being pushed to the left.
commented 2016-07-13 19:35:29 -0400
When will Rebel ever take responsibility for themselves.

Progressive Conservatism is what Sir John A. wanted for Canada.

Anyone declaring that Canada should be for populist conservatism, libertarianism, continentalism, and free trade is copying the US model and abandoning Canadian Conservatism as defined from 1867 to 2003.
commented 2016-07-13 19:35:08 -0400
I agree with you Andrew in that this Kenney factor is about being an MP while trying to merge two parties into one. Kenney was part of the CTF in his early to mid 20s and then remained in politics and then most likely till he retires. That is the very definition of a careerist.

Canadians are for the most part centrist and why they elected the Liberals. I want the PCs to exist in Alberta because it is better to have more choices and I joined the federal Progressive Canadian party at http://pcparty.org because I think there is a huge gap between the Liberals and the Conservatives.

The same impact, Andrew, will happen provincially in Alberta. The centre to centre-right should never be sacrificed at any level because it will mean a takeover by the right wing.

It has nothing to do with being slightly progressive and moderate conservative, but to me it means abandoning the moderate right for the populist right for so-called principles when those are talking points.

This is the game Rebel wants to play but think of the Progressive Conservatives or one-nation conservatives that will go to the Alberta party. That party should be making the preparations just in case.

And yet no one Rebel is complaining about Kenney holding down an MP’s salary and running for PC leader all for merging. Talk about being a pig at the trough.
commented 2016-07-13 18:16:47 -0400
Andy Stephenson

Hi again Andy. You are full of shit. Wildrose went from declared dead to 21 seats, now 22 after taking a PC riding that was held for over 40 years. 40 fucking years Andy, get it yet? You have a lot of gibberish that means absolutely nothing to anyone, just nonsensical talk.

Kenney has not infringed on the Wildrose yet. Kenney is going to flush all of the progressive scum down the toilet where they belong. After people like Janzen and Gill are flushed then you will hear talk of a merger. Wildrose already has 37% of the vote and are trending up. The PC’s have 23% and are trending down and are deep in debt, disorganized and weak on fund raising.

Again, your meds are kicking in if you think the NDP has any chance of winning. The protest vote plus the conservative vote, plus the Wildrose vote will ensure a huge victory for conservative politics and further the socialists will be driven away from Alberta with a view of tar and feathers in their future.

The communists who like to masquerade as democrats is getting kind of stale. People in Alberta are ready, willing and able to kick ass. This has very little to do with Harper. This has a lot to do with conservatism kicking the living shit out of communism.
commented 2016-07-13 11:37:33 -0400
I’ll vote for whoever can get gov’t spending under control and with that work towards deficit (and then tax) reduction. The out-of-control public sector union salaries were hard enough to tolerate when the province was booming, but the rationale then was that they were necessary to lure people from the private sector. This is no longer the case, and public sector salaries and benefits should be rolled back.

If anyone has the guts to take this on, they’ll have my vote. I wonder how many other Albertans feel the same?
commented 2016-07-13 11:17:54 -0400
NDP, your screen name betrays your biases.

If they wanted WR style politics, they’d support the WR. It’s really that simple. Yes, the PCs have been “liberals” for a while – with the exception of Klein, have been more often than not – and that’s where their support arises.

If Kenney takes over and tries to pull it ot the right, he infringes on WR territory. They split that 35% of the vote, and the NDP wins on the backs of the other 65%. The election will be decided by people that voted for NDP last time and may not necessarily want to again. Move to the right, and they’ll be forced to suck it up and vote NDP again. They voted against the WR for a reason.

Nothing to do with “crack”, just pure, plain logic. Kenney is a smart fellow and likely realizes this too… he will do the same thing as Harper did to find success…and run from the centre.
commented 2016-07-13 10:20:00 -0400
Andrew Stephenson

Hi Andy. You must be on four or five different meds this morning to come up with that assessment. The PC Party leaders and delegates are Liberal and have been for at least 10 years. When Kenney wins the job as leader these Liberal leaders, delegates and voters will have to make a choice, stay right wing, join the Liberal Party of Alberta or possibly join the NDP. This is where your meds really kicked in as not all of the entire 23% support base will automatically slide over to the NDP. That is simply crack smoking talk that makes you think that is going to happen. There are conservatives in the PC party, what percentage remains to be seen.

The Wildrose has approximately 37% of the vote right now, enough to win an election. The eventual merger with Kenney and the hard core conservatives will result in an easy majority. The NDP will be reduced to a handful of seats in Edmonton only because they are using tax payer dollars to create union jobs and party voters. The right wing vote split caused by Prentice/Smith resulted in a protest win by the NDP and this will not happen again.

Andy, you better lay off the meds as they are playing havoc with your head.
commented 2016-07-13 09:28:48 -0400
“Hard to understand the strong support the PCs continue to get. Given the longevity of the party, people have become accustomed to support it? "

They’re the only party that acknowledges the existence of the Centre. Hundreds of thousands of voters that don’t like the NDP, but are revulsed by the far-right wing policies of Wildrose. They have no real choice but to park their vote with the PCs, or one of the fringe parties. The PCs are basically the “frustrated” voters who have literally nobody else to vote for.

It’s also why Kenney the Right Wing saviour will not pan out (beyond the internal political squabbling; the party establishment is already wary of parachuted candidates and the knives are starting to come out). The 35% or so that support the WR right now, represent the totality of the right wing faction in Alberta, if Kenney gets in and moves right, then they split that 35% while abandoning the 50% or so that don’t support far right policies. That 50%, half of whom support the NDP and half don’t, present an interesting quandry – where does that 25% orphaned by the PCs go? It could very well go to the NDP.
commented 2016-07-13 08:58:11 -0400
A hard thing to do, but there is a need to put personal egos, ambitions and pride aside and do what is best for Alberta. As Rutherford explained, to his credit Kenney has declared his intentions upfront, that is, to become leader of the PCs as a step towards uniting the right. If things continue as they are with the PCs and Wildrose, according to the polls, maintaining their respective strengths, we could well get a repeat of the previous provincial election. Hard to understand the strong support the PCs continue to get. Given the longevity of the party, people have become accustomed to support it? Instead of one member one vote, the odd election process to be mediated through delegate selection in the various risings, will be open to manipulation and some nasty politics. Hence a steep hill to climb for Kenney.
commented 2016-07-13 08:29:40 -0400
The PCs/Wildrose don’t have 10 years to figure things out – like the PCs and the Reform did.

In 10 years, Alberta will be a desert of 100,000 people by the time the Nazi-DP’s are done with it.

Brian Jean is no premier – he needs to negotiate a position in the Conservative Party of Alberta and park his big fat ego.

Let’s see if stupidity reigns supreme once again in Canada or if these assholes can create a real Conservative party.

The clock is running and that nazi pig Notley is financially raping Alberta taxpayers at will.