March 25, 2015

NDP, Liberal fears of a Canadian/Syrian alliance are alarmist

Marissa SemkiwRebel Commentator

The New Democrats and Liberals both declared their opposition in the House of Commons to the extension and expansion of the Iraq mission by expressing common concerns about a dubious alliance they say that would be formed between our government and Syria’s Bashar Al-Assad.

These concerns of a Canadian alliance with Bashar Al-Assad are alarmist -- and also inaccurate. 

Concerns over helping Assad, by undercutting his opposition in ISIS, is shortsighted and would be to put Canadian lives at risk.  ISIS is expansionist, unlike Assad. They present a global threat, and Canada is not immune. 

This isn’t about choosing a side in a civil war in Syria. This is about dismantling and eradicating the cancer that is ISIS.

How many more lives will be lost before Mulcair and Trudeau wake up to that reality?   

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commented 2015-03-27 12:05:24 -0400
The worrying trend is the two opposition leaders in our parliamentary democracy trying to protect ISIS an enemy which has committed many massacres, beheadings, crucifixtions and other atrocities against innocent people. Do they need the terrorist vote that badly?
commented 2015-03-26 16:12:49 -0400
Peter Netterville, the circumstances may be different but the law is the law and you either follow it or you don’t. Once you start coming up with reasons to break it you are in no position to order the following of it to someone else.
commented 2015-03-26 14:29:16 -0400
" I just wonder what perceptions they will form as that icy blade slices slowly through their necks"

Maybe, “Owww, #$% this hurts!”
commented 2015-03-26 12:19:43 -0400
Some commenters would have us believe that reality is a pseudo-reality that has been contrived to make us think that what we perceive as reality is not real. I just wonder what perceptions they will form as that icy blade slices slowly through their necks as the ISIS warrior completes his mission of beheading the “infidel”!
commented 2015-03-26 11:54:11 -0400
The thing that makes me doubt the 9/11 truthers most is the fact that not once did the King of Saudi Arabia say that his nephew was falsely accused….so was the King of Saudi Arabia in on framing his innocent nephew?
commented 2015-03-26 11:42:37 -0400
My sources as requested:
BBC ruling:
Iraq President:
My opinions are based on what I see when I connect the dots; you may see something else with these same dots. In between lies the truth. and the truth will set me free of any false fears I have.
Like you, I don’t trust the corporate media for truth and turn to the alternative media, like this one, to get closer to it.
I am a political atheist – meaning I am not affiliated or support any political party. My hope is that some day ‘journalists’ will start demanding that the politicians provide verifiable evidence to support their statements and call them liars until that evidence is provided.
commented 2015-03-26 10:44:32 -0400
The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.
commented 2015-03-26 09:37:40 -0400
@ William Wiser
Well William, the main difference is that even though entering Syria to bomb ISIS without express permission from Assad is a violation of their borders, there is no invasion as Putin is doing in the Ukraine. Neither will there be any boots on the ground. In addition, Canada will be killing Assad’s enemy as well.
commented 2015-03-26 06:05:39 -0400
Why does Harper condemn Russia for breaking international law in Ukraine yet have no problem of Canada doing the same in Syria?
commented 2015-03-26 02:31:01 -0400
I agree with your comments Al Rose. Also with a few other commentators that have said that Trudeau and Mulcair think nothing of Canada just about themselves and getting elected or at least trying to get elected. I don’t understand how the Liberal party can stand to have this guy Trudeau shoot his mouth off day after day. Do they not know that he has been and is hurting the party? Mind you I think it’s a good thing and I hope he continues to shoot his mouth off.
Mulcair I believe knows that there is no hope for him in Federal politics and so he continues to back up and bring up the UN in the hopes he will get a job offer after his miserable failure in the next election.
David Kitchen and Frank Richichi must be smoking the same dope that Truedope and the angry fellow smoke.
You guys are what are commonly known as ‘truthers’, or more accurately ‘conspiracy nuts’ or wackos.
It’s bad enough listening to Truedope and the angry one spew their nonsense without having nut jobs like you commenting on a very serious matter. Go to the CBC where you will be welcomed with open arms and maybe even a job offer.
commented 2015-03-26 01:58:27 -0400
It’s great to get comments from the “Tin Foil Hat” people like Frank Richichi and David Kitchen. It makes the discussion so much more interesting. But this is a serious issue, and must be dealt with seriously. “Am I my brother’s keeper?” Yes, I think if we want to call ourselves civilized, I think we must be. We can’t just sit idly by and watch the torture and murder of the innocent, regardless of where in the world we find them. We have to do something about it, and ISIS is a cancer that must be removed. I just hope and pray that we can do it.
commented 2015-03-26 01:14:40 -0400
Joan, I completely agree. I absolutely believe that neither Mulcair or Trudeau love this country or are interested in doing what is right. They are only concerned about milking the teat of parliament hill for as long as possible, and they think pandering to the muslim sympathizers will keep them there. Is this the way Canada acted when Hitler was threatening all of Europe? I am saddened how quickly this great country has forgotten the price paid already for us to enjoy the freedom we have today, that so many think now in the face of another tyrant we should just sit idly by as the threat grows larger each day.
commented 2015-03-26 00:53:18 -0400
“They are selfish, narcissistic opportunists” Joan, you’ve described most of our society today :)
commented 2015-03-26 00:30:12 -0400
Neither Mulcair nor Trudeau is asleep on this issue. They know, full well, the threat the IS poses to Canada and the world.

But they value their own political ambitions more than the lives these brutal butchers take more of each day. They are selfish, narcissistic opportunists.
commented 2015-03-25 23:28:03 -0400
If Mulcair and Trudeau had their way they would be dropping parkas and sleeping bags!
commented 2015-03-25 22:55:05 -0400
Trudeau and Mulcair are simply playing the odds. They are banking that the mission will go bad and they can ride in and say, “Told ya so!” But if it goes well….
commented 2015-03-25 22:45:22 -0400
@ Frank Richichi – “It’s the president of Iraq saying it.”
Oooohhh! Now THERE is a reliable source.

“Is he wrong and you right?”
You are right! There is no way the Iraqi president could have another motivation to lie, that’s for sure!!

“… it’s the press in the UK reporting it. "
Link to your proof please.

Well, at least you last paragraph has truth in it.
commented 2015-03-25 22:29:32 -0400
That’s right Al, Have you bothered to check out any of my claims? it’s not my claim that the Americans are arming ISIS. It’s the president of Iraq saying it. Is he wrong and you right? It’s not my claim that the UK judge called BBC a terrorist group it’s the press in the UK reporting it.
You have to start reading papers outside of Canada to know what goes on in this country. After all, we only have the CBC (masters yellow journalists), Bell Canada (very pro Liberal), Rogers (very pro Liberal) and Shaw (I don’t know about them) as the owners of most news sources.
commented 2015-03-25 21:52:01 -0400
FRANK RICGICHI you will call ISIS ?, well that is very telling,and what makes your opinion the right one, i am sure there are countless opinions to counteract yours, you have no corner on “the truth” just reality as you see it and that does not make it right.
commented 2015-03-25 21:36:37 -0400
I start from the premis that the whole war on terrorism is a phoney war. It started with what over 70% of the American population believes was an inside job, namely 9-11. Just recently, a UK judge agreed that the BBC had inside information about tower 7 at the TWC collapsing when it stated it had collapsed 24 minutes before it actually happened. This decision branded the BBC a terrorist organization.

As for what Fluffy and Angry Tom have to say; I brush off over 90% of their comments because they both have very little to offer in any real discussion. Fluffy will win next election because of his father’s name (15 years in office and no real positive achievements to show for it – maybe Mirabel). Angry Tom will rot as leader of the NDP and continue to argue the UN position on anything. The NDP stands for whatever is trendy.

We are going to be bombing Syria‘s infrastructure. ISIS is a phone enemy meant to keep us in fear. They just happens to show up anywhere where the Americans want to be. They are the rebranded Al Qaida which Americans overwhelmingly no longer feared. Americans know that ISIS is a phoney enemy and thus being reshaped into boko haram.

Please, think for yourselves and verify any of my statements for yourselves.

There are videos showing ISIS directing American bombings in Syria. Most independent minded analysts know that the Americans are training, funding and supplying ISIS. Just last week the Iraq government showed photos of arms drops to ISIS by American military planes.

How may photos has Harper offered us to support any of his allegations be it against the Russians in Ukraine or ISIS in Syria. Today, George Soros says that the overthrow in Ukraine is a failure. He funded the overthrow so he has a vested interest in its success.

I offer the following site to ANY member of the cabinet or pro war lobby. If you’re so sure you’re right then join up. Once you’ve done that then I’ll call ISIS and tell them you’re on your way over to kick some butt.
commented 2015-03-25 21:29:34 -0400
This is why we need thumbs up and down icons, and a reply to posts that stay with that post on a drop down menu so we can respond and all the responses are with that post, not scattered all over .
commented 2015-03-25 21:26:36 -0400
DAVID KITCHEN i will match you on anything about the middle east and ISIS, i get my information from Robert Spencer, Pam Geller and more, they know more about the middle east and ISIS than you could ever know.
Yes we support Harper and i will dump on the " the little boy" whenever i can, he is not even close to being a leader of this great nation.
No planes flew into the WTC ?, better lay off those drugs, they are warping your mind, i guess all the films were doctored to make it look like they did Right?
Perhaps you could refer us the this “science” you speak of, i would love to see it, where can i find it ?
You speak to us like we are idiots, who is the leader of ISIS ?, what are their Goals ?, is that the best you can do, such simple questions, Everyone here could answer those,
commented 2015-03-25 21:25:51 -0400
@ David Kitchen
Of course this is a forum where conservatives can post their comments. It is a conservative site. Is that wrong? There are more than enough left wing sites that do the same. Can you not afford conservatives a site to do the same?

However you are employing one the common tactics of the left wing, you post a claim that the people here have no understanding of the Middle East simply because you disagree with them. In fact the well thought out posts here are of a quality far surpassing sites like the CBC, where the left wing lives. Don’t mistake your disagreement with the people here as their being ignorant of the topic. That is a typically left wing characteristic.
They often say or imply, “If you disagree with me then you are lying and stupid.” It’s just a way of trying to shut up those who you disagree with.

Maybe try engaging someone in a thoughtful debate instead of insulting those who post here.

Just sayin’
commented 2015-03-25 21:24:08 -0400
All you have to do to get free coverage from the MSM is say something that disagrees with the government. They no longer are serious journalists, they spend their time parsing sound bites to support their own positions and the politicians they fawn over! Then there are guys like David Kitchen who recently commented who would believe them! Whew !!
commented 2015-03-25 21:13:02 -0400
Oh Mr Trudeau ,if you like to sneak a peek at The Rebel or your staff does,let me just say, you are such unsympathetic idiot who wants power at any cost.
Who cares about the children having their heads cut off, not our fight, right?
Who cares about little girls being raped, not our fight right?
Who cares about the woman who sees her husband having his head chopped off then seeing her daughter raped , then she herself gets raped and passed around as a sex slave, not our fight right?
Women sold as sex slaves, not our fight right?
Thousands of Christians, and Muslims and Yahidies being slaughtered and heads hacked off, not our fight right?
Muslims being burned alive ,Not our fight right?
Hundreds of thousands fleeing their homes, not our fight right?
Muslims being hung and left in the street as a warning to others who might criticize the Koran, not our fight right ?
You care nothing about these poor souls, as long as you can Harper bash, bashing Harper is more important to you and gaining power than looking out for these poor souls.
It is humanities responsibility to stop this, Obama is useless just as you are and your NDP counterpart.
What you should be doing instead of bashing Harper is seeing how a Real Leader leads,
Take lessons, we really don’t have a clue what you stand for, all we know is you stand for anything Harper doesn’t.
And i laugh every time you speak, i guess you have been rehearsing how to speak, but i feel like giving you a kick in the bum to speed you up, you sound like you are talking to five years olds,,slowly like a robot.
Trudeau, look inside yourself, find some compassion, it is Canada’s and the worlds responsibility to stop ISIS.
I know you are afraid of offending the Canadian Muslims., You have been cultivating them for their votes, running from Mosque to Mosque , doesn’t matter if its terrorist recruiting Mosque, or an Imam who spews hate,or finances Terrorism,.
I know you probably hate The Rebel with a passion because now you have no where to hide, you thought when the Sun went down you were safe, too bad.
Well i do have a habit of going on and on so i will stop. Mr Trudeau, find some compassion in your soul, never might Harper bashing and fabricating untruths to make Harper look bad, in the end you just hurt yourself.
You accuse harper of fear mongering , but it’s you who is doing that, Harper is genuinely looking out for Canadians,not fear mongering for the election.
I feel safe with Harper in control of this country, i just hope you never get to lead this country, if you do we will never be safe.
As i said, look inside yourself, feel some compassion for those who are living in fear of being butchered . raped , burned alive and help the world put a stop to ISIS,
Have you any perception of what is going on over there, it seems of little importance to you, and you want to lead this country?
commented 2015-03-25 21:06:46 -0400
It appears to me that this site is just a place where Harper supporters are using to attack the opposition in the hope of increasing his numbers in the polls.
The comments clearly show the complete lack of any understanding of the Middle East. Who is the leader of ISIS ?
what are their goals? Where did they come from ? It seems you get your information from the same people who told us the USA put a man on the moon and a couple of boys flew planes into the WTC. We know both are lies. Science has shown that no planes flew into the WTC. So please stop believing lies about the Middle
commented 2015-03-25 20:29:05 -0400
Well said George. I must admit, I never thought of it that way…
commented 2015-03-25 20:18:56 -0400
Did Canadian soldiers ask Benito Mussolini’s permission to land in Italy as part of the process of defeating Adolph Hitler and the nazi ideology? Would the NDP or Liberals have accused our soldiers of “getting into bed” with the fascist Benito? Their attitude is absurd.

This is not a war in Syria, this is not Harper’s war in Iraq, this is not Chretien’s war in Afghanistan or Bush/Blair’s war. In my view the War On Terror is World War Three, and in my mind it has been going on since Munich in 1972 (those with a better memory than me might have another time in mind).

These countries, and many others, are merely some of the fronts or theatres in which this war is being fought. Militarily is only one aspect of this war, other aspects include financial and cultural strategies. IS ( islamic savages) is only one of several forces that we have faced and are facing.

When George W. Bush and Donald Rumsfeld said “this is a different kind of war” the apparent simplicity of this remark caused it to fly way over the heads of so-called “clever” people. Mulcair and Trudeau are reminiscent of those anachronistic generals, who in their old befuddled minds, are still fighting the last (i.e. previous) war.

I’ve also been listening to discussions lately regarding the legality of this initiative. This is also absurd. Wars are neither legal nor illegal, they are simply wars. To the best of my knowledge there is no court in our world that has the authority to put forward an opinion to declare any war legal or illegal.
commented 2015-03-25 20:12:31 -0400
Very difficult to listen to Mulcair or Trudeau…you show a clip of them talking and my reaction is to fast forward and hope to see them get muzzled… :)

Marissa makes a good point though. What would it take for Mulcair or Trudeau to demonstrate the ability to learn? What happens to a species that cannot learn? Why are there so many lefties when they get themselves into so much trouble by failing to recognize threats to their existence?

Should Conservatives learn from their failures in protecting Liberals? Should Conservatives allow Liberals to be ruled by the ISIS threat? Probably not but every time you put a clip of those 2 up, I’d like to let ISIS have them. What would happen to our lefty friends should ISIS rule their lives? I don’t know they would be so fortunate to have a life left to rule. Crazy talk I know. Or not.

It’s true you know. We can’t protect people from themselves.
commented 2015-03-25 19:51:42 -0400
“This isn’t about choosing a side in a civil war in Syria. This is about dismantling and eradicating the cancer that is ISIS.
“How many more lives will be lost before Mulcair and Trudeau wake up to that reality?”
Answer: they won’t. Firstly, that would mean (heaven forbid!) they support a Conservative idea. Secondly, they don’t have any grip on reality. (These ISIS characters are just downtrodden have-nots, don’t you know? we just need to find out what they “really” want…) There IS such a thing as Evil, but it hasn’t been politic to say this for a few decades now, because Western society is so “advanced”…