August 06, 2016

Do we have freedom FROM religion in Canada? Atheist fired for refusing to enter faith-based AA program

Holly NicholasRebel Commentator
 

Freedom of religion is a fundamental right in Canada, written into the Constitution. As a protected right, believers have freedom to assemble without limitation and interference. Neither the government nor anyone else, can force an individual to practice a certain religion.

Enter Byron Wood, a nurse with substance abuse issues. After being admitted to hospital and diagnosed, his license was suspended by the College of Registered Nurses of British Columbia. His employer Vancouver Coastal Health and the BC Nurses Union were notified and an assessment was required. The doctor recommended an Alcoholics Anonymous program in Ontario and this is where the problems arose.

Among other complaints, Wood objected since he's an atheist and AA is a faith based program. He felt being forced into a religious program was a violation of his rights and so he offered alternatives but his requests were refused.

He was told all addictions doctors available through Vancouver Coastal Health recommend AA and there were no other options. After refusing to enter a religious based program, he was fired. Mr. Wood filed a complaint with the BC Human Rights Tribunal and they’ve agreed to review his complaint.

His other complaints aside, this is a no brainer – the Constitution guarantees that people have the right to practice, or NOT practice, religion freely in Canada.

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commented 2016-08-10 02:05:58 -0400
Sad but true. A person could have a serious addiction — to alcohol, for example — and be desperate for any excuse not to face up to it.

A.A., and certain other programmes, are so tolerant that they propose a higher power in the most general way.

The person needing the help can use this as an excuse to get out.

Sometimes it might be better just to state it up front: you need to face the reality of God.
commented 2016-08-09 10:51:50 -0400
Does anyone believe that a religious person could refuse getting treatment if he used the argument the treatment facilitator was non religious? They would accuse him of trying to evade getting help and not allow him to use his own bigotry as an excuse. M. Flebcote: If non religious or anti-religious people want a non religious treatment center let them put their money where their mouth is.
commented 2016-08-09 00:39:33 -0400
I’m devoutly non-religious (all ironies intended), however, I have to disagree with you on this one Holly. Reason being is, the SCC ruling that Freedom “of” Religion includes Freedom “from” Religion, is none other than their disdain for our society. The Lefty Socialists that have hi-jacked the legal system. The same one’s that ruled Truth is not a defence. Truth, Christian values. These are good things, and the Lefty’s hate them and want to do away with them. When you live in a Christian based society, one can expect to run into some Christians. If he doesn’t like that, he can move. I’ll be attending Mass on Sunday, ‘cause it’s my mom’s 80th, and my presence is requested. I’ll go, and I’ll be fine!! He can go to the AA, and he’ll be fine too!!
commented 2016-08-08 13:36:58 -0400
I think he should absolutely have the right to refuse, and there should be an alternate treatment… however, I also believe that the government should have drug testing, and the right to terminate employment without further ado. Hampering the economy by forcing companies and the government to bear the cost and responsibility for addressing and mitigating the poor lifestyle choices of cognizant independent individuals is ridiculous. You want to do drugs? Fine. Don’t expect to keep your job, though, because there are thousands of clean, healthy people who could do your job just as well or much better than you, who are demonstrably smarter and stronger because they won’t risk their livelihoods and futures for acquiring and feeding an addiction. Like it or not, you have free will, and it is your responsibility.
commented 2016-08-08 02:31:13 -0400
Alcoholics Anonymous would love to lie to people and say that they are not religious. All people have to do is to find a greater power of their own that has nothing to do with god.
commented 2016-08-08 00:01:33 -0400
How about freedom from the Satanic religion of rape, murder, slavery AND NECROPHILIA? MUHAMMAD WAS A NECROPHILE

(NECROPHILIA IN ISLAM ) Why do “devout Muslims” want to have sex with dead wives? The answer is simple. It is a Muslim’s duty to imitate the actions of their prophet Muhammad. Because Muhammad was a necrophilia freak and BANGED his dead aunt in her grave, the truly devout Muslims feel the need to also practice necrophilia. That is why devout Islamic hardliners want to legalize necrophilia in Egypt. Apparently, Muhammad was discovered humping the dead corpse of his aunt in the grave when his “companions” started to fill in the grave. His companions were shocked! But Muhammad explained to his companions that he was merely anointing the corpse of his aunt with his “holy spunk” so as to guarantee her passage into paradise. Here is a printable PDF that you can print out and share with ignorant “Liberals” so they will know what the leftist media doesn’t want you to know about evil Islam. “SEXUAL PERVERSIONS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD NECROPHILIA WITH HIS DEAD AUNT” http://schnellmann.org/Necrophilia_With_His_Dead_Aunt.pdf How on earth can a human get a boner for a dead body? What kind of human can keep an erection for a corpse? Muhammad, the MONSTER, can. Below are more articles on MONSTER MUHAMMAD and his necrophilia perversion. http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/130373/islamic-death-sex-context-raymond-ibrahim Islam – The Crimes of Prophet Mohammed https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/islam-the-crimes-of-prophet-mohammed/ “Death-sex: The Legitimate Law of Necrophilia in Islam” https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/02/09/the-legitimate-law-of-necrophilia-in-islam/

Here is the article from Egypt… “Egypt’s women urge MPs not to pass early marriage, sex-after-death laws” http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/04/25/210198.html “Egypt’s Mursi slips on necrophilia” http://www.pravdareport.com/hotspots/conflicts/02-07-2013/125006-egypt_mursi-0/ “Islamic Teachings about Necrophilia (Sex with Dead Ones)” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiFTjLw8Ing And here all this time you thought that the monster Muhammad only raped women and children and was a mass murderer of non-Muslims. Folks, I tell you the truth…If the Koran said to eat pig shit and wash it down with a bowl of camel’s piss, there are Muslims who would actually eat pig shit and drink camel’s piss. “DRINKING OF CAMEL PISS IS HALAL IN ISLAM” https://bittertruthpk.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/3/ “Muslim drinking camel urine as Mohamed said (VIDEO)” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rZzO59_Cos Can anybody think of a more satanic, murderous death cult than Islam? If you can, please share your findings with the rest of us. Also, please notice how it’s always the Islamo-Liberals who want to legalize necrophilia, as in the next article… “Necrophilia and incest should be legal, says Swedish Liberal party” http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3458702/Necrophilia-incest-legal-says-Swedish-Liberal-party-youth-wing-accused-laughable-nitwits-party-senior.html

‘The Rebel’ also did an article on the Swedish Liberals necrophilia perversion… “Sweden’s future: Liberal party youth wing wants to legalize necrophilia and incest” http://www.therebel.media/sweden_s_future_liberal_party_youth_wing_wants_to_legalize_necrophilia_and_incest

I guess the Muslim immigration to Sweden has brought about all of this. Liberals and Islam truly are an unholy alliance.
commented 2016-08-08 00:01:32 -0400
How about freedom from the Satanic religion of rape, murder, slavery AND NECROPHILIA? MUHAMMAD WAS A NECROPHILE

(NECROPHILIA IN ISLAM ) Why do “devout Muslims” want to have sex with dead wives? The answer is simple. It is a Muslim’s duty to imitate the actions of their prophet Muhammad. Because Muhammad was a necrophilia freak and BANGED his dead aunt in her grave, the truly devout Muslims feel the need to also practice necrophilia. That is why devout Islamic hardliners want to legalize necrophilia in Egypt. Apparently, Muhammad was discovered humping the dead corpse of his aunt in the grave when his “companions” started to fill in the grave. His companions were shocked! But Muhammad explained to his companions that he was merely anointing the corpse of his aunt with his “holy spunk” so as to guarantee her passage into paradise. Here is a printable PDF that you can print out and share with ignorant “Liberals” so they will know what the leftist media doesn’t want you to know about evil Islam. “SEXUAL PERVERSIONS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD NECROPHILIA WITH HIS DEAD AUNT” http://schnellmann.org/Necrophilia_With_His_Dead_Aunt.pdf How on earth can a human get a boner for a dead body? What kind of human can keep an erection for a corpse? Muhammad, the MONSTER, can. Below are more articles on MONSTER MUHAMMAD and his necrophilia perversion. http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/130373/islamic-death-sex-context-raymond-ibrahim Islam – The Crimes of Prophet Mohammed https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/islam-the-crimes-of-prophet-mohammed/ “Death-sex: The Legitimate Law of Necrophilia in Islam” https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/02/09/the-legitimate-law-of-necrophilia-in-islam/

Here is the article from Egypt… “Egypt’s women urge MPs not to pass early marriage, sex-after-death laws” http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/04/25/210198.html “Egypt’s Mursi slips on necrophilia” http://www.pravdareport.com/hotspots/conflicts/02-07-2013/125006-egypt_mursi-0/ “Islamic Teachings about Necrophilia (Sex with Dead Ones)” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiFTjLw8Ing And here all this time you thought that the monster Muhammad only raped women and children and was a mass murderer of non-Muslims. Folks, I tell you the truth…If the Koran said to eat pig shit and wash it down with a bowl of camel’s piss, there are Muslims who would actually eat pig shit and drink camel’s piss. “DRINKING OF CAMEL PISS IS HALAL IN ISLAM” https://bittertruthpk.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/3/ “Muslim drinking camel urine as Mohamed said (VIDEO)” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rZzO59_Cos Can anybody think of a more satanic, murderous death cult than Islam? If you can, please share your findings with the rest of us. Also, please notice how it’s always the Islamo-Liberals who want to legalize necrophilia, as in the next article… “Necrophilia and incest should be legal, says Swedish Liberal party” http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3458702/Necrophilia-incest-legal-says-Swedish-Liberal-party-youth-wing-accused-laughable-nitwits-party-senior.html

‘The Rebel’ also did an article on the Swedish Liberals necrophilia perversion… “Sweden’s future: Liberal party youth wing wants to legalize necrophilia and incest” http://www.therebel.media/sweden_s_future_liberal_party_youth_wing_wants_to_legalize_necrophilia_and_incest

I guess the Muslim immigration to Sweden has brought about all of this. Liberals and Islam truly are an unholy alliance.
commented 2016-08-08 00:01:26 -0400
How about freedom from the Satanic religion of rape, murder, slavery AND NECROPHILIA? MUHAMMAD WAS A NECROPHILE

(NECROPHILIA IN ISLAM ) Why do “devout Muslims” want to have sex with dead wives? The answer is simple. It is a Muslim’s duty to imitate the actions of their prophet Muhammad. Because Muhammad was a necrophilia freak and BANGED his dead aunt in her grave, the truly devout Muslims feel the need to also practice necrophilia. That is why devout Islamic hardliners want to legalize necrophilia in Egypt. Apparently, Muhammad was discovered humping the dead corpse of his aunt in the grave when his “companions” started to fill in the grave. His companions were shocked! But Muhammad explained to his companions that he was merely anointing the corpse of his aunt with his “holy spunk” so as to guarantee her passage into paradise. Here is a printable PDF that you can print out and share with ignorant “Liberals” so they will know what the leftist media doesn’t want you to know about evil Islam. “SEXUAL PERVERSIONS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD NECROPHILIA WITH HIS DEAD AUNT” http://schnellmann.org/Necrophilia_With_His_Dead_Aunt.pdf How on earth can a human get a boner for a dead body? What kind of human can keep an erection for a corpse? Muhammad, the MONSTER, can. Below are more articles on MONSTER MUHAMMAD and his necrophilia perversion. http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/130373/islamic-death-sex-context-raymond-ibrahim Islam – The Crimes of Prophet Mohammed https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/islam-the-crimes-of-prophet-mohammed/ “Death-sex: The Legitimate Law of Necrophilia in Islam” https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/02/09/the-legitimate-law-of-necrophilia-in-islam/

Here is the article from Egypt… “Egypt’s women urge MPs not to pass early marriage, sex-after-death laws” http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/04/25/210198.html “Egypt’s Mursi slips on necrophilia” http://www.pravdareport.com/hotspots/conflicts/02-07-2013/125006-egypt_mursi-0/ “Islamic Teachings about Necrophilia (Sex with Dead Ones)” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiFTjLw8Ing And here all this time you thought that the monster Muhammad only raped women and children and was a mass murderer of non-Muslims. Folks, I tell you the truth…If the Koran said to eat pig shit and wash it down with a bowl of camel’s piss, there are Muslims who would actually eat pig shit and drink camel’s piss. “DRINKING OF CAMEL PISS IS HALAL IN ISLAM” https://bittertruthpk.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/3/ “Muslim drinking camel urine as Mohamed said (VIDEO)” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rZzO59_Cos Can anybody think of a more satanic, murderous death cult than Islam? If you can, please share your findings with the rest of us. Also, please notice how it’s always the Islamo-Liberals who want to legalize necrophilia, as in the next article… “Necrophilia and incest should be legal, says Swedish Liberal party” http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3458702/Necrophilia-incest-legal-says-Swedish-Liberal-party-youth-wing-accused-laughable-nitwits-party-senior.html

‘The Rebel’ also did an article on the Swedish Liberals necrophilia perversion… “Sweden’s future: Liberal party youth wing wants to legalize necrophilia and incest” http://www.therebel.media/sweden_s_future_liberal_party_youth_wing_wants_to_legalize_necrophilia_and_incest

I guess the Muslim immigration to Sweden has brought about all of this. Liberals and Islam truly are an unholy alliance.
commented 2016-08-07 23:58:46 -0400
Like everything else where Christianity has been removed, there are groups trying to have AA disqualified from providing counseling due to the religious bases for this program.
Let’s hope this is not another Trinity Western U type of case that would challenge AA’s program and try to prevent them from continuing.
Otherwise, this person should be allowed to attend whatever center is best suited for his needs, provided there isn’t something missing from this story that actually affects his Maple Ridge and Vancouver choices (could be location and cost, or other factors involved?).
commented 2016-08-07 21:28:09 -0400
John Siciliano said, "That is the argument that I am pressing for. Freedom from religion means people should also have the freedom to speak easily against the big 3 religions as well and advocate for a strong anti-monotheistic culture. "

The only religion that is not easily spoken against is Islam and that is because Islam has terrorists that scare people into silence.

Do you have any evidence that anyone, government or other, is stopping people from speaking criticism against Christianity or Judaism?
commented 2016-08-07 20:26:21 -0400
This situation is probably more about availability than anything. If Wiccans, Hindus, Buddhists and atheists and others want to start there own version of AA I don’t think anyone would be opposed. Until then people in need should make do with what is available. The same goes with hospitals. Many Christians have donated to build hospitals but i don’t think they require you to convert to receive medical attention. Most people would be thankful that help is available not griping about the lack of diversity of hospitals. If they don’t like it they can always opt to raise money and build their own but then I guess they would have to forfeit whining.
commented 2016-08-07 20:25:57 -0400
Seems like self-destructive behavior is this guy’s go-to solution for every thing.

A rummy refusing AA id the same kind of denialism as a soulless atheist refusing spiritualism.

You won’t see me wipe a tear over people who prefer masochism over reason..
commented 2016-08-07 18:08:34 -0400
We won’t have to worry much longer. When Baby Doc makes sharia acceptable, buying booze or drugs will result in hand loss, foot loss, or life loss. No more substance abuse in our Islamic nation!
commented 2016-08-07 17:20:02 -0400
And yeah, “AA” is bullshit, I thank God for helping me distil my own liquor… I think Byron Wood’s main problem is not that he was an atheist or a partier, it’s that he worked for the government. Play with those clowns and you’ll always get burned, actually hilarious that a union on the left coast demand you go to Christian “AA”… Never know how those public service sector goons will fuck you til it happens, but they will. Find God, assemble a still, work in the private sector, avoid government at all costs, that’s my moto. Evolution does not disprove God, if anything, only shows how complex God’s method of creation truly is.

God Bless.
commented 2016-08-07 17:13:23 -0400
There’s a big difference between overdosing at home as opposed to at work? When Byron Wood overdosed, if he was at work, maybe the employer is correct to fire him… But if he was at home, its none of their goddamn business.

I’m proud of The Rebel for taking this story on, despite the guy being an atheist, truly shows that you are concerned for everybodys’ Rights whether they’re political allies or not. Excellent work.
commented 2016-08-07 16:57:30 -0400
He was fired for being a drunk,period!
commented 2016-08-07 14:44:30 -0400
Have a nice day, John.
commented 2016-08-07 14:37:44 -0400
And that quote about because it is 2016 is a line from Trudeau. I do not support Trudeau, but quotas are not part of it at all. Governments can find ways to educate people and try to show them religious options.

It has nothing to do with state religion, but if we are to be a tolerate and open society government should educate Canadians on every option including Wicca, Hinduism, Buddhism and every religion outside the big 3.
commented 2016-08-07 14:35:51 -0400
Well I am an altruist and I feel that is lacking in our politics, hence why I joined minor parties as I believe that people can build a society which truly represents the average people. The financial crisis cemented these beliefs and why I chose this direction. Advocating for it is a good direction and I am open to many possibilities because it is a path to choose instead of a clash of civilizations, which would be gained by putting people into the monotheistic route.

And how can you say that government has no business promoting or suppressing when governments can create ministries supporting Christianity and the oppressed. It can be for supporting smaller religions too. Those are allowed in government. What you say isn’t allowed has to do with your ideology rather than what government can do!

That is like saying that government cannot fund health care or education or be an advocate for people in third world countries. That is what self-government is about. Canada has always been a nation that is a middle power that has had a moderate foreign policy. In the past decade and almost a half, we have been in this quagmire known as the War on Terror. We have lost independence in our foreign policy.

Now you understand the fact that governments are able to do many things you are just not aware of those facts or things allowed by government.

And there has never been a truly vocal advocate for peace among nations, a non-interventionist foreign policy and even out-and-out atheism in our parliament to the point of showing up on news channels relentlessly and advocating for true equality and independence and real choices.

I thought people on the conservative side wanted choice. It seems to me that they want their choices or their version of choice!
commented 2016-08-07 14:04:04 -0400
John Siciliano, you make absolutely no sense. In a free and democratic society, the government has absolutely no business either promoting, or suppressing, ANY religion. However, that doesn’t mean politicians shouldn’t let their sincerely held beliefs inform their politics, as long as they’re completely up front about them during their political campaign. If someone’s religion does not inform their politics, then their religion is shallow and meaningless. Any politician who claims that they can completely separate their politics from their religion are either liars or cowards who don’t have the courage to stand up for what they truly believe in. After all, a life lived with integrity, courage and honesty requires not only the vocal affirmation of what one believes to be objective truth, but also the integration of those espoused truths into all aspects of their daily life. It’s then up to the people to decide whether or not they want to elect them. But the government has no business messing with your religious views or mine. And it certainly has no business promoting the “smaller” religions, as you say, or setting religious “quotas” because “it’s 2016”. And, by the way, in the last century nearly 100 million people were slaughtered in the name of your religion, Atheism.
commented 2016-08-07 13:41:08 -0400
Mark Sherman, that’s a religion. Do you believe what you just said? If you do, that’s your religion. Like I said, there are only three options, 1) God created the Universe, 2) It just spontaneously popped into existence, or 3) It’s always been here. If you can come up with another possibility, I’d like to hear it. You must believe one of them. Like I said, SOMETHING must be true because we’re here. Which ever option you choose, (in your case either 2 or 3) you have to accept on faith, and that’s a religion. We can argue semantics all day and get no where, but you believe what you believe on faith just as I do. Freedom FROM religion is a ludicrous concept. There’s no such thing.
commented 2016-08-07 13:15:50 -0400
John Siciiliano: Who is stopping you from questioning religion or from doing science? I hear these typical throw off lines from atheists from time to time and they never seem to be able to prove their claims. When they fail making their case they bring up Galileo or Charles Darwin or the Scopes Monkey trial which few people understand. I have no fear of science and I think that people can just as easily say evolution did it in the same way some say God did it when they lack mechanical explanations.
commented 2016-08-07 12:30:32 -0400
Actually Peter Netterville, the comment under this current one does outline that I do believe in freedom of religion, except that I want people to choose by government advocating and offering options so that people are not caught in loops and that people are directly informed.

That way, people will have the abilities to switch to religions outside the big 3 faiths, but can still go to and join those faiths. It is a nice middle ground so that people can join any faith they want, but I want choice and people to be truly informed. And yes I do agree very much so with an anti-monotheistic culture where the culture is shaped not by faith but by society and Canadian nationalism. People seem to think that religion shapes our culture, but other faiths even the polytheistic ones gave laws from the Babylonian religion and the Egyptian religion as well. So, this whole notion that Christianity created everything is a lie. Something came from another thing, but there was originally something which started it all.
commented 2016-08-07 12:10:29 -0400
Oh ya there isn’t huh? Then, why did the Conservative party make it seem like with their new cabinet position that people were never given options on the other faiths outside the three big religions which are Islam, Christianity and Judaism. If we are supposed to have real religious freedom, then presumably government should be advocating and pressing growth of the other smaller religions. I am for religious freedom, but I feel that people should be able to leave faiths easily. That is the argument that I am pressing for. Freedom from religion means people should also have the freedom to speak easily against the big 3 religions as well and advocate for a strong anti-monotheistic culture.

This whole notion that whatever we cannot explain is created by a higher power is ludicrous. As someone that studied physics, but not necessarily astrophysics people have to seriously be able to question and do studies which could end religion possibly.

And there is a freedom from religion movement. People regard Buddhism as not being a true religion, since people feel that Buddhism does not instill principles and is basically trying to achieve Nirvana and is only meditation, but like all religions it has principles. So people are allowed to live without religion, and atheism just means the freedom to not have to practice anything. This whole notion that the monotheistic faiths help the world is just a plain lie. It pits, as what I have seen since 9/11, people against other people and will lead to a clash of civilizations. Its sole purpose is putting people into groups.
commented 2016-08-07 10:55:40 -0400
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms starts out declaring that “Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms” and the first fundamental freedom mentioned is the “freedom of conscience and religion”. The notion of ‘freedom from religion’ is propagated by hard-nosed atheists and leftists to remove Christianity from the public sphere, but not Islam, where the latter is a case of ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’.
commented 2016-08-07 10:45:34 -0400
Maurice Potvin:

Untrue. I do not believe in fairy tales of a higher power. I base my reality on facts, and therefore have no religion. I am my own god.
commented 2016-08-07 08:24:35 -0400
AA works if you get with the program.
AA doesn’t work for everybody.
You have to hit bottom and then want to come up from there…if you don’t want to you won’t – nothing wrong with AA.
AA gets people off the substance and it gives them their lives back – like anything in life you get out of it what you put into it. Alcoholism is a disease…why would anybody trash AA.
commented 2016-08-07 02:26:54 -0400
So, I guess all Justins namby, pamby , blue berated , Peace Keepers will all need a ’Safe Space" when the battle begins.
Surely ,in all of Africa , Justin can find a “Safe Space” to deploy his troops.
commented 2016-08-07 00:52:40 -0400
The term “safe space” is kinda new.

People who have felt unsafe for whatever reason can latch on to a new term that makes them feel comfortable.

People who were addicted to alcohol or some drugs, for example, might have ended up in a dangerous place — where friends and spouses and others made them feel safe — but they were in danger of being mistreated.

But also, if a person was mistreated by loved one, even a husband or wife, they wanted a place of safety.

The idea of a “safe space” is a bit vague, but I think it means a place where the man or woman can feel strengthened and away from an immediate threat.