May 13, 2016

Edmonton March for Life: Diverse crowd unites to defend rights of unborn

Rebel Staff
 

Thursday was the March for Life in Edmonton. Over 1,000 people showed up in Churchill Square to rally and walk to the steps of the Legislature building in protection of the unborn. 

March for Life is a movement that started in the United States almost two decades ago to give voice to the voiceless. It spread to Canada, where we shamefully join North Korea as another country with no restrictions on abortion whatsoever.

Thursday’s March for Life crowd was diverse. It was young people, millennials, parents and the elderly. They were secular, gay, evangelicals, catholics and others.

The prolife movement is one without a political home. It’s broad ranging, highly motivated, peaceful, polite and growing. The prolifers aren't going away.

A political party would do well to be brave enough to include them in their ranks without an insistence that prolifers shut up and sit down.

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commented 2016-05-21 13:36:12 -0400
“Conservative ideology is about maintaining freedom. This should also extend to making sure that people live a fulfilling life that is not endlessly plagued by disability. "

There can be no true freedom without morality. When we go about our business, we depend on the assumption that most people will not deceive, rob, harm or kill us. How could you even leave your home if you weren’t even sure you’d have a good chance of not being killed? How could you provide for yourself if you weren’t even sure you’d have a good chance of reaping the fruits of your labour?

Simply having the ability to do things that you previously couldn’t do doesn’t necessarily mean that you are freer. Sometimes, not doing certain things gives us the ability to do other things.
commented 2016-05-21 04:48:17 -0400
OK. I understand your reluctance to explain why you’re willing to kill some unborn disabled children to prevent suffering but not others who are unborn and born for the same reason.

Other possibly more powerful people may decide to be more consistent. Therein lies the danger of your original premise. It is not OK for people to kill innocent people to prevent future suffering.

We haven’t even talked about how bad things can get with people’s different views of suffering. Consider that Triggly Puff probably felt that Milo, Sommers and Crowder made her “suffer” because of their “hate speech.”. With your premise that it’s OK for people to kill innocent people to prevent future suffering…. Hey I’m sure they had it coming.
commented 2016-05-21 02:40:06 -0400
I am not going to bother to click on your links. If you ever have to have a disabled baby, then it is on you for not pushing for an abortion. I am not returning to this thread, as it is getting buried way too deep by the new posts.
commented 2016-05-20 21:10:55 -0400
www.cihi.ca/sites/default/files/document/induced_abortion_can_2014_en_web.xlsx
commented 2016-05-20 21:09:30 -0400
“If the fetus is pretty close to being born, might as well have the damn thing.”

Why?

" I believe there are laws in place that restrict abortions to within a certain time frame."

Nope. 605 abortions at 21+ weeks gestation in Canadian hospitals in 2014.

www.cihi.ca/sites/default/files/document/induced_abortion_can_2014_en_web.xlxs

or

http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/backrounders/statistics-abortion-in-canada.pdf
commented 2016-05-20 03:54:09 -0400
Yes I know what a fetus is. If the fetus is pretty close to being born, might as well have the damn thing. I believe there are laws in place that restrict abortions to within a certain time frame. I would hope that expectant mothers with retarded fetuses are wise enough to get an abortion early on.
commented 2016-05-19 04:22:46 -0400
Do you know what a fetus is?
commented 2016-05-19 04:17:54 -0400
So just ignore you ever said this?

“I would say that parents should not have the right to kill their kid or fetus after a certain point.”
commented 2016-05-19 03:06:47 -0400
Me? Contradict? I maintain that abortion should be legal, and that aborting a disabled fetus is the right thing to do.
commented 2016-05-18 16:50:05 -0400
I’m not a Jedi you know. You’ve already contradicted yourself so I’d like to clarify before continuing the discussion. Did you misspeak?
commented 2016-05-18 03:45:35 -0400
You are not going to change my mind on abortion. I know your anti abortion tactics, and you are trying to make me contradict myself. You are not going to change my opinion on it, or my stance on aborting a disabled fetus.

Perhaps you may be okay with punishing a baby with a disability, but I am not.
commented 2016-05-17 13:10:33 -0400
Then why did you say this? “I would say that parents should not have the right to kill their kid or fetus after a certain point.”
commented 2016-05-16 20:02:51 -0400
I am saying that abortion should be legal and up to the pregnant woman. I am also saying that when a fetus is disabled, getting an abortion is the right thing to do. I am not here to draw the line of when things are legal or not.
commented 2016-05-16 17:46:12 -0400
To clarify, are you saying that there is a point in the womb beyond which parents shouldn’t have the right to kill their unborn disabled child? If so what is that point?
commented 2016-05-15 20:30:20 -0400
If some kid with a disability is mentally sound enough to adequately verbalize that they want doctor assisted suicide, then they can go for it. I would say that parents should not have the right to kill their kid or fetus after a certain point. After the kid is born, they can be the ones to make that decision. But if a disability is detected early enough in pregnancy, then the parents should be able to abort it without stigma.

Here is the thing with value of life and disability. A person with more ability has more value. So when a person has less to offer, and it is past the point of justifying keeping alive, then I say death is a good alternative.

Conservative ideology is about maintaining freedom. This should also extend to making sure that people live a fulfilling life that is not endlessly plagued by disability.

And yes, I voted for the conservative party. And although Steven Fletcher had lost the federal election, I am glad to see him back in provincial politics. His advocacy for the right to assisted suicide will be tremendously beneficial to Manitoba.
commented 2016-05-15 10:28:43 -0400
It is because of people like ‘anonymous’, who cannot even take the chance of identifying themselves as male or female, that Justin Trudeau got into office, despite the statement that ‘anonymous’ made that they voted conservative!!!
You are a sick puppy ‘anonymous’. I know many atheists/humanists who are far more compassionate than you despite their beliefs we are no better than plants in the ground!
We all know, of course, you are writing this junk to simply get a rise out of any of The Rebel readers. If you noticed, they’ve all moved on and aren’t interested in what you have to say…..so over and out.
commented 2016-05-15 06:07:22 -0400
“Sure I believe a person has irremovable value until it is removed.”

Lol. Thank you for that. Gold. Just gold.
commented 2016-05-15 05:48:09 -0400
“And just what does anybody get out of a disabled baby, that you don’t get from a normal able bodied baby anyways? Try answering this one.”

It doesn’t matter what I “get.” That’s the point. People are valuable regardless of what you get get from them and should be protected.
commented 2016-05-15 05:42:24 -0400
“And if I find out that my unborn kid is going to be crippled, then I would want a doctor to abort the thing. So as I am capable of making this decision early on, I would not have to worry about the kid being four years old and making a decision at that point. But if a person does have a disability and wants to go for doctor assisted suicide, I say the option should be there for them. "

You keep dancing around the question. Unless, that is, you think your toddler should be allowed to commit suicide. I’m asking about having the right to kill your blind toddler. Come now Mr. Compassion, this shouldn’t be too hard for you. Shouldn’t you be allowed to kill her to stop and prevent current and future suffering?

“As for intrinsic value of life, yes, I believe in it, but only up to a certain point. I believe that once a life is not worth living, it is okay to go for doctor assisted.”

Lol Better check the definition of intrinsic anonymous if you think intrinsic value can be lost because of a disability.

“Conservative values favor meritocracy, which puts the disabled at a disadvantage. Any attempts to even out the playing field in the name of human rights, ultimately comes at the expense of somebody else. So be a good conservative. Pinch your pennies, and hope that abortion cuts down the number of people that use your tax dollars in the form of draining the health care system or by costing schools more with the extra accommodations. "

Lol. Your conservative caricature is quite funny. You forgot to mention kitten eating.
commented 2016-05-15 01:41:28 -0400
My conscience is as follows. If you are in a position to prevent somebody from being born with a horrible disability, then getting an abortion is the moral thing to do. Perhaps if you consider the torture that is disability, you may reconsider.

And just what horrible sin am I guilty of? Sparing some disabled person a life long disability sentence?

If I ever end up in a wheelchair, I would want to have access to doctor assisted suicide.

And if I find out that my unborn kid is going to be crippled, then I would want a doctor to abort the thing. So as I am capable of making this decision early on, I would not have to worry about the kid being four years old and making a decision at that point. But if a person does have a disability and wants to go for doctor assisted suicide, I say the option should be there for them.

As for intrinsic value of life, yes, I believe in it, but only up to a certain point. I believe that once a life is not worth living, it is okay to go for doctor assisted suicide. Being disabled falls into these parameters.

On the topic of leftists and their stance on the death penalty, I am not here to defend the leftists on this one. If we have criminals running around harming people, and we know that for sure they are guilty, then I say give them the guillotine.

At this point, I would say that something like assisted suicide and aborting a crippled fetus should be causes conservatives should get behind. Conservative values favor meritocracy, which puts the disabled at a disadvantage. Any attempts to even out the playing field in the name of human rights, ultimately comes at the expense of somebody else. So be a good conservative. Pinch your pennies, and hope that abortion cuts down the number of people that use your tax dollars in the form of draining the health care system or by costing schools more with the extra accommodations.

It just makes complete sense to abort a disabled fetus.

And just what does anybody get out of a disabled baby, that you don’t get from a normal able bodied baby anyways? Try answering this one.
commented 2016-05-14 23:14:08 -0400
Anonymous:
We all have to pay for our sins.
Perhaps you need to examine your conscience on these issues. If you do not have a conscience, then get on your knees and pray you develop one.
Life will present many challenges for you and you want to be ready to face these challenges with dignity and spiritual strength as many people who have disabilities or illnesses possess.
We all have to pay for our sins. You can pay now, or you can pay later.
It is up to you.
commented 2016-05-14 22:33:38 -0400
“Not that I am defending leftists, but of course leftists want rapists to be punished. Especially of the white variety. Haven’t you been paying attention to the rebel’s videos on the slut walks?”

I specified with death. Leftists consider supporters of the death penalty barbarians. Yet they have no problem murdering babies for any reason. That’s very compassionate.

“As for disability, nothing good comes from disability. Any time somebody says that disability is a gift, it is because they do not want to admit how bad disability is. So while some quadriplegic is telling everybody how great they can paint by holding the brush with their teeth and saying it never would have happened if they weren’t disabled, they are also pretending that a disability can be a blessing in disguise. This just goes to show you how much delusion and over compensation the pain has driven the disabled person into.”

Do you believe that humans have intrinsic value?

“As for all the people that are either born with a disability, or acquired one later in life, there is always the option of physician assisted suicide. It is times like this that I am proud that a conservative disabled politician, Steven Fletcher, got that physician assisted suicide bill in motion. Now that is a politician that actually understands and practices compassionate conservatism. "

Easy there anonymous. Don’t hide behind the option of suicide. I asked if disabled children should be allowed to be killed by their parents to stop and prevent current and future suffering respectively. Say you have a blind toddler (that’s one example you brought up). She’s way to young to make up her own mind about suicide. Shouldn’t you as her parent be allowed to kill her? Don’t hide now, this is getting interesting.
commented 2016-05-14 21:38:38 -0400
Anonymous:
You are wasting everyone’s time here.
commented 2016-05-14 20:23:02 -0400
Not that I am defending leftists, but of course leftists want rapists to be punished. Especially of the white variety. Haven’t you been paying attention to the rebel’s videos on the slut walks?

As for disability, nothing good comes from disability. Any time somebody says that disability is a gift, it is because they do not want to admit how bad disability is. So while some quadriplegic is telling everybody how great they can paint by holding the brush with their teeth and saying it never would have happened if they weren’t disabled, they are also pretending that a disability can be a blessing in disguise. This just goes to show you how much delusion and over compensation the pain has driven the disabled person into.

It is not simply a matter of having to care for a crippled retard. The disabled person also has to live with being a cripple and/or a retard. This is what you call suffering.

As for all the people that are either born with a disability, or acquired one later in life, there is always the option of physician assisted suicide. It is times like this that I am proud that a conservative disabled politician, Steven Fletcher, got that physician assisted suicide bill in motion. Now that is a politician that actually understands and practices compassionate conservatism.

The rebel has a video on this. It is Brian interviewing Steven Fletcher. Definitely worth watching.
commented 2016-05-14 17:38:20 -0400
“When faced with a baby being disabled, abortion is by far the best solution”

No, it’s just evil.
commented 2016-05-14 17:37:06 -0400
Got it. Disabled unborn children should be killed because they will suffer for being disabled. They will suffer for being disabled because being disabled is tedious, restrictive, and inescapable.
Disabled unborn children should also be killed because their parents will suffer when they are born. Their parents will suffer because they will have to do extra and unpleasant work to care for them. Their parents will also suffer because they will have to watch their children make nothing of themselves.

In a nutshell, people should be allowed to kill innocent people to prevent future suffering.

What about disabled children who are already born? And what about children who become disabled after birth? Should they be killed to prevent the suffering of themselves and their parents? Unlike the unborn disabled children who have not yet caused any suffering, disabled born children are already causing suffering. If children should be killed for suffering that they will cause, how much more should children be killed who are currently and (if not killed) will later cause suffering. Not only will born children cause suffering in the future like their unborn counterparts, they are already causing suffering.

You know what kills me? Leftists wouldn’t even think of killing a murderer or rapist in order to prevent future suffering of their victims. Killing them is at least just. Prevention of future suffering is just a bonus of doing that which is just. But an innocent child?

Well here she is anonymous. Let’s imagine she’s disabled: http://cdn.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/AP090426019817-1024×677.jpg

Have at her cowboy. Which of her limbs will you remove first before crushing her head?
commented 2016-05-14 17:36:39 -0400
Me, insensitive? I am here to tell you to not let a person suffer from being a cripple and/or retarded. Having a disability is a bad thing. Don’t buy into this leftist drivel on disability rights and how the disabled are just differently abled.

Take an honest long look at the disabled. Watch a quadriplegic get spoon fed. Watch somebody without functioning lungs breathe through their life support wheelchair. Watch a blind person move around while they wave their white cane around. Ask somebody with colon cancer to show you their colostomy bag. Is this what you want people to live with?

When faced with a baby being disabled, abortion is by far the best solution.
commented 2016-05-14 03:25:05 -0400
Anonymous, are you Sean Penson? If your being honest then your insensitivity is truly astounding. How are you an authority on whether parents of disabled kids are telling the truth? Convenience as an excuse for murder will never be morally acceptable.
commented 2016-05-14 01:30:28 -0400
Sheila, you are turning into a leftist by taking up the causes of extreme disabled activists.

Women that are pregnant with babies that will be born with disabilities should absolutely get abortions. Having to live with a disability is a horrible thing, that nobody should endure, especially not children. Disability activists would like you to believe that there is nothing wrong with being disabled except for societal stigma and barriers. But the truth is, having a disability is tedious, restrictive, and inescapable. So therefore, getting an abortion to put the disabled fetus out of its misery is the best solution there is.

Consider this. Do you want to be crippled? Or retarded?

Can you imagine the extra work a young couple would have to put into raising that retarded and crippled child?

Sheila, imagine for one moment if all your three kids are severely disabled. Would you like to push them in their wheelchairs? Wipe the drool off the side of their faces? Perform personal care on them? Only be able to go to places that are wheelchair accessible? Watch your disabled kids grow up to make nothing of themselves?

If you talk to parents of disabled kids, they are in complete denial of how bad a disabled kid is. Instead they will tell you how big of a gift it is.

Sheila, when you buy into disability rights that have gone too far, you are betraying the conservative values that the rebel stands for.

As much as you don’t like abortion, it turns out that abortion is the right thing to do if a woman is pregnant with a disabled fetus.
commented 2016-05-13 22:47:03 -0400
For You formed my inward parts; You covered me in my mother’s womb. I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Marvelous are Your works, And that my soul knows very well.

Psalms 139:13-14

If some early iron age Semitic king (David) could recognize that human beings are created by a wonderful loving, immense God, what excuse do we have to not believe with our modern advancements?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdBJt6sdDfI

By the way, the gentleman at the end of the above video is none other than Dean Kenyon. He is the man that LITERALLY wrote the book on evidence of abiotic (non-creation) origins of life. He is now a Christian.