July 06, 2016

Ex-Muslim: “Muslims don’t understand what freedom is and we have to teach them”

Lauren SouthernRebel Commentator

Ex-Muslim YouTuber "Introverted Smiles" was my guest this week. In this excerpt, he explains the difference between the way Christians regard the Bible and Muslims think of the Koran.

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commented 2016-07-07 02:50:00 -0400
Elton expect no answer. Well not one that makes any sense.
commented 2016-07-07 02:33:49 -0400
Can’t have it both ways Jay. One revelation is a lie.
commented 2016-07-07 02:30:34 -0400
Jay, apparently your confusing Protestants with someone else. So tell me, was Jesus the son of God?
commented 2016-07-07 02:24:22 -0400
Glenn Craig, I’m not talking about what a lot of people who may have thought they were Christians did in the name of religion throughout history. I’m talking about actual scripture and God’s real purpose for His people. I have no doubt there are a lot of true believing Catholics but Catholicism as an institutionalized religion as well as the Vatican and the pope are no more Christian to me than many luke warm secular appeasing evangelical churches today which God says in revelation make him feel like puking. Check your history of Islam. To create a global caliphate has always been their intention. That’s what started the crusades to take back the holy land from the Muslims. Wars started in the name of Christianity against anyone other than Muslims are minuscule compared to the many numerous battles started by Muslims on mostly peaceful nations. Check it out yourself. Also I wouldn’t be too sure about the parents of these ‘refugee’ kids. The culture runs very deep. Sure some want a better life but hundreds of teenage boys of a certain demographic don’t go around thinking raping and disrespecting people of different faiths and cultures is acceptible practice unless the were taught that at home by parents and other family members. A good example is the Orlando killer who was born in the US and whose father declared his own allegiance to the Taliban and that his son hadn’t been radicalized.
Anyway for anyone to objectively study Islam and the Bible the differences are night and day.
commented 2016-07-07 02:08:24 -0400
Careful, Elton. Our Protestant brothers and sisters struggle with the role of Mary as Mother of God.

Muslims and Protestants cannot accept that Mary, revered as she is , is the actual Mother of God. For protestants and Muslims she is a good and holy woman, and willing to accept the will of God.

Did God dictate a different Revelation? No, Protestants and Muslims heard the truth. From my point of view they should reflect on it a bit more.
commented 2016-07-07 01:52:51 -0400
Sounds real good Jay except for one obvious fatal flaw which is what I expected. Tell how you figure Jesus fits in. Tell me how the same angel that told Mary she would give birth to the messiah – the son of God in the flesh – who would take away the sins of the world would also dictate a very different version in which a devine Jesus is specifically declared to not be devine? For me this is proof that Muhammad was deceived by the father of lies and any revelation received by Muhammad came from Satan which means Muhammad was a false prophet and Islam is one big lie. Jesus said that He was the only way and nobody can get to the Father except through Him.
commented 2016-07-07 01:30:17 -0400
Jay Kelly tell the Muslims to do that, Christians have done enough. Your excuses are lame. Why don’t you go to the middle east and proudly proclaim you are a Christian, see how that works out for you.
commented 2016-07-07 01:19:58 -0400
There are teachings that all Muslims and Christians should know. It is what makes us sisters and brothers:

First: the belief in One God. Only One, the creator and sustainer of the universe.

Second: there are angels that are intermediaries between us and God. Perhaps even our words are recorded by the angels.

Third: prophets have spoken on behalf of God. The prophets are those who are called by God to speak the truth to the people of their times.

Fourth: sacred scripture. God has revealed himself in sacred scripture. The first five books of the Bible — the Pentateuch — are known as the Torah to Jews. In these sacred books God has revealed God’s self. God revealed himself to the Prophet in the Koran, and revealed his will. Such holy and sacred scriptures are never to be made light of. In sacred scripture God has spoken to us, his people, and we are invited to listen very carefully.

Fifth: judgement. On that day every single one of us will be judged. If we have acted according to what God has asked of us: if we have been kind to those in need, if we have struggled to promote justice, if we have been compassionate, we should have nothing to fear.

If, on the other hand, we have been judgmental and condemned our brother or sister, if we sneered at the poor person, if we kept our few coins for ourselves when another might have benefitted from them, things may go very badly indeed.

Sixth: God’s will has determined our good fate.

God’s knowledge beforehand is complete. This recognition helps the believer, you and I, through difficulties and hardships. Maybe I should relax, since it has already been predetermined,

No, you and I both must act. We must build up what God has asked of us. We cannot slack off.
commented 2016-07-06 19:43:11 -0400
@elton Braun…actually the history of Christians is just as bad up until modern politcial states separated church and state.

“Jus prima nocta” (the divine right of aristocrats to rape your bride on your wedding night) was not repealed from canon law until after the French Revolution…the Pope was persuaded to repeal it after the heads of French aristocrats guillotined at the Place de la Concorde for exercising it were delivered to the Pope in a basket as a message that no citizen of France would ever again be subject to it.

I know that people who grew up after the the sixties cannot relate to what it was like before….but the moslems are not centuries out of sync with us.

What should concern you is that the youth culture which gives their youth a sense of identity and belonging is nothing like the push for freedom of that generation……just like the Hitler youth they find their sense of belonging in the strict discipline of hard line ideology.

I am willing to believe that the adults of this wave of Syrian refugees are people who wanted to escape the insanity…it is their teenaged sons that cause me concern.
commented 2016-07-06 16:43:34 -0400
Comparing violent verses in the Bible to violent verses in the Quran is apples and oranges. While there is nothing in the Quran to indicate that the entire text is t just as relevant today as the day it was written down the Bible is quite different. The Old Testament laws were specific to the Hebrews in a specific time and context. God needed the Hebrews to be set apart as an example to the evil pagan nations around them. If you study the OT carefully, God used the Hebrews to exact judgement on these pagan nations because he almost always used baby sacrifice as the last straw. This was what God hated the most and therefore was determined to keep his people from adopting these barbaric practices and he gave them laws to proove their faithfulness. Notice that Palestinians sacrifice their children. Golds Meir said no peace would come until the Muslims start loving their children more then they hate Jews. Jesus brought in the new covenant of love your neighbor and even your enemies. OT violence has nothing to do with the present time.
commented 2016-07-06 16:14:42 -0400
Since 9/11 – IN THE NAME OF ISLAM: 31,287 Attacks, 198,438 Killed, 278,634 Injured.