June 03, 2016

How can a conservative support a carbon tax? WATCH my “awkward and brutal” debate with Mark Cameron

Rebel Staff
 

I was at the Conservative convention last weekend in Vancouver, and I bumped into my old friend Mark Cameron. I’ve known him for years from Conservatives circles.

But these days, he runs a pressure group called Canadians for Clean Prosperity, lobbying for a carbon tax. They have other conservatives on their board, like Monte Solberg, the former cabinet minister. They’ve even had Stockwell Day at an event.

It gives me the willies.

Mark wanted to engage with me, so I invited him to drop by our studio for a debate. I told him I’d give him equal time and the last word.

Watch how it went: a bit awkward at first, then maybe even a bit brutal. I’ll see you on the other end, for my final thoughts.

(Editor’s note: After the debate, Mark Cameron consulted Guy Giorno, a leading lawyer in the field of Canadian lobbying law, who wrote an opinion letter about Clean Prosperity’s activities. You can read it in full here.)

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commented 2016-06-11 21:12:55 -0400
I enjoyed this show and your interview BUT I cannot believe ANY conservative could favour and even promote an extra tax. Mark clearly stated again and again that the carbon tax was simply a different method to tax Canadians. This makes me sick to my stomach. I see the Conservative party being hijacked by special interest groups as the LGBT and climate change deceivers. If the party continues to give in to these alien values, then they will loose not only my vote, but those I can speak sense to as well. I would be willing to vote for the Christian Heritage Party knowing that they have no chance to win whatsoever simply to show the CPC that they cannot take our vote for granted!!
commented 2016-06-11 08:28:47 -0400
I could only take so much of that POS leftist hack fraud. Sorry Ezra, I love you, but your regressive CINO guest is either an idiot or is lying through his teeth.

It has already been absolutely proven that "climate change " caused primarily by humans and is catastrophic or detrimental in any way is a complete fraud. Those who really know the data yet still stick up for policies that reduce our freedom or steal our money in the name of “protecting the planet” are just plain evil, pure and simple. I don’t care if he does call himself a "Conservative. He’s a PC maybe, for “politically correct”. Whatever he is, he’s an idiot or a liar.
commented 2016-06-07 21:19:33 -0400
“It is rare, or completely absent, that I have ever heard an actual climate scientist interviewed on climate change. Why is that? "

Media strategy, mostly. How often do you see them ask a scientist about anything? Most maintain a low profile, mostly because the media tends not to understand what’s being said leaving it open to sensationalization and misinterpretation. That sort of thing irritates scientists, while politicians thrive on it.
commented 2016-06-07 19:39:41 -0400
If governments are so desperate for money that they create a bogeyman to pilfer the pockets of citizens we have indeed entered into the Orwellian world. Like a compulsive gambler who has blown the rent money they must lie, steal or cheat to feed their habit. Instead of admitting to a problem they create a story, sorry honey, I was beaten and robbed. Sorry dear, I was abducted by aliens. Baby the dog ate my wallet. Instead of telling the truth these fucking cheats and liars we have elected to govern us have decided we are the patsies who will pay for their losses. They think we are idiots who believe the lies that a loving spouse might fall for. I have news for you servants of the people, we do not love you and we are not idiots. If you miscreants who go by the name of politician think that feeding a pig his own shit is the way to go, have at it. At some point the pig will figure out what you’re feeding it and will have appetite for you.
commented 2016-06-07 12:28:34 -0400
That debate was torture to watch. Mr. Cameron was definitely not convincing but spoke like someone without conviction. Follow the money!
commented 2016-06-07 11:16:55 -0400
I’m with Mark Cameron on this one. As a libertarian I hate that government has to be used to deal with climate change, but I just don’t see any other way to deal with the issue. At least if the conservatives do this tax they can make it revenue neutral. If we leave this problem for the left to deal with then they will use it as an excuse to grow government as much as possible. I didn’t feel like Mark did a good job explaining why this is an important thing for Canada to do. Firstly, we as Canadians can only control what we do. We have very little influence over China or anyone else, so we just have to do what we can do. Secondly, I believe this problem will ultimately be solved through technology advancements. The reason China is building coal plants is that coal plants are the cheapest way to produce electricity. Wealthy countries are going to have to drive the technological change that will make green energy more competitive with fossil fuels. A carbon tax will drive more investment into the green economy. Once that gap in efficiency is reduced or eliminated then developing countries can more easily jump on board.
commented 2016-06-06 16:33:48 -0400
Andre, it always seem to be politicians and talking heads who are the biggest voices on the climate scare. It is rare, or completely absent, that I have ever heard an actual climate scientist interviewed on climate change. Why is that?
commented 2016-06-06 11:33:16 -0400
Sending Leftists into the Conservative policy tanks to make leftist policies seem like they are con-crafted is an old lefty strategy. Beware of Keynesian taxation tarted up as Tory blue.
commented 2016-06-06 09:46:07 -0400
@ Donald

The California Bill 1161 that was defeated will be tried again if not in California then somewhere else in the US. And I think you are correct that neither our Constitution not Charter of Rights and Freedoms would protect us as much as the US Constitution would protect the USA. So if it a bill like 1161 can get passed somewhere in the US then Canada will follow suit immediately, maybe before the US.
commented 2016-06-06 08:18:49 -0400
If you are a Global Warming skeptic , you should take heed of the Senate Bill 1161 in California . Although it failed to reach reading last week , don’t think for a second that the wacko enviro-statists in California won’t keep trying to get it passed.
Bill 1161would criminalize any expression of disagreement or scepticism of Global Warming or what the leftists now call Climate Change.
Of course this would violate the First Amendment rights, but what does the left care about rights and liberty. After all, our own Dr. Fruit fly wants all non-believers imprisoned and he has the ear of our moron PM , as if Butts wasn’t bad enough.
I am not confident that our Charter of Rights will protect us from encroachments of our liberty in Canada. Our totally leftist judiciary would certainly back the government in order to protect us and save the planet.
We face two major existential threats to our way of life. Climate change is meant to break down the nation states and implement a global power structure. The spread of Islam is also a planned and co-ordinated effort to destabilize and change the cultures and societies of the West.
The rich and powerful masterminds are at it again.
commented 2016-06-06 01:11:54 -0400
There is at least one other person who uses the Anonymous handle. Somehow I am stuck with this handle, and can not change it.

As for the conservatives in Manitoba, the sad news is, there really is no other right wing party option.
commented 2016-06-05 23:54:23 -0400
What an odour…there should be a leftist tax…they are polluting the political air until some of us can no longer breathe…
commented 2016-06-05 17:30:29 -0400
…and they don’t think that pisses off the people who voted them in?

There are two Anonymous’s right?
commented 2016-06-05 17:18:05 -0400
Shortly after the Manitoba Conservatives won their election, Brian Pallister, the premier announced that there would be carbon taxes coming to Manitoba. Of course, nobody from the Manitoba conservative party said anything about carbon taxes before the election day.
commented 2016-06-05 17:17:46 -0400
We’re not going to get into that again Andrew. We’ve all been there done that. Not going around that maypole again.
commented 2016-06-05 15:19:57 -0400
“André Lauzon commented 14 mins ago
Good work Ezra.
Mr. Cameron like Al Gore and others relies on “consensus of most scientist”. It is oft repeated but no one has proven that MOST scientist agree. I have read that, in fact, a minority of scientist agree on the causes of climate change.”

How many scientists have written and defended doctoral theses denying climate change?
commented 2016-06-05 15:03:07 -0400
Good work Ezra.
Mr. Cameron like Al Gore and others relies on “consensus of most scientist”. It is oft repeated but no one has proven that MOST scientist agree. I have read that, in fact, a minority of scientist agree on the causes of climate change. So if we split between most and a minority maybe the truth is closer to 50%. Mr. Cameron plays on words and is not forthcoming with information; he seemed more a liar than an honest man.
He gave up a good job to take this new job because he believes in the cause but his rational for a new tax is based on % of voters whom he thinks believe in climate change.
I left the Ontario Conservative party because of Brown’s call for a carbon tax based on “a consensus of most scientist” I will also leave the Federal Conservative party if the new leader calls for a carbon tax.
commented 2016-06-05 14:15:54 -0400
Damn – very telling indeed. And a little frightening.
commented 2016-06-05 12:53:00 -0400
He makes a compelling point about transferring the taxes but it will not in any way bring liberals or climate junkies to conservative party. The last thing the conservatives should be doing is paying lip service to the idea that the correlations identified in biased studies be touted as a reason to tax carbon. Propagating that questionable science is a diservice to Canadians and mankind as a whole. I would not invite him for another interview unless he reveals his funding sources.
commented 2016-06-05 12:29:39 -0400
liza Rosie

“It’s a tax based on a lie. A revenue stream and or plain old wealth distribution. Lower corporate taxes, lower income taxes, governments can and should do that, but there is NO reason to have a carbon tax to do it. It is a all a lie.
Mark Cameron repeated a lot of ‘old’ science and ‘old’ catch phrases. He was as evasive as evasive can be.”

Well said Liza, I cannot agree more, he was very evasive and the carbon tax is a lie, man made globe is a lie.
commented 2016-06-05 12:20:55 -0400
What about us folks that have a negative carbon foot print – going to give us a tax break?

Not likely.

I will continue to clear land and burn it – just to give the world some food.

Got 20 more acres ready to go this winter.

With more than 200 acres of trees – another couple hundred of grass and about 90 acres of crops – if I stop today I will be negative until I die.

I want to be paid for that!

Lying bastards.

All of them.
commented 2016-06-05 11:39:51 -0400
What the BC carbon tax does a good job of doing is making it more expensive for businesses to function and raising the cost of about everything you buy. In BC consumption is purported to be down as a result, but since it is admitted at least by some, that it makes no discernable difference to any climate change, what is the benefit, and who does it benefit?
It’s a tax based on a lie. A revenue stream and or plain old wealth distribution. Lower corporate taxes, lower income taxes, governments can and should do that, but there is NO reason to have a carbon tax to do it. It is a all a lie.
Mark Cameron repeated a lot of ‘old’ science and ‘old’ catch phrases. He was as evasive as evasive can be.
commented 2016-06-05 08:38:14 -0400
And of course “The Manning Institute” is interfering where it shouldn’t be. I totally blame people like Preston Manning for the tragic results of the AB provincial election. His interference has destroyed AB for sometime to come, and the damage that he caused may in fact be permanent. What an arrogant and small minded man, who thinks he knows everything, when in fact he knows nothing. He’s being paid to lie and deceive. He’s definitely no longer conservative, but he’s on the take. He has no integrity or shame!
commented 2016-06-05 05:19:58 -0400
Gordon Campbell implemented the revenue-neutral carbon tax in B.C. in 2008. It has worked well.
commented 2016-06-05 03:35:17 -0400
A “revenue neutral” carbon tax instead of other forms of taxation would not work, mostly because it would require a MASSIVE bureaucracy to tabulate each individuals carbon output. Guys like Mark Cameron who openly discuss modifying our behaviors through taxation schemes are not, and probably never were truly conservative minded.
commented 2016-06-05 02:47:02 -0400
Everything is fair in a debate as long as you stick to the subject. This man is not a politician but speaks like one, skating around the questions. Like you Ezra, I am very skeptical about his donors, why not reveal them if they’re not anti oil. Every time you asked him that question, he would switch to something else. Very suspicious.
Some of these active politicians & ex politicians are starting to get on my nerves. Cannot prove it, but looks to me like money became very important.
commented 2016-06-04 23:33:39 -0400
Deborah..preston manning sold out a long time ago ,he is now what the reform party was trying to get rid of,he is now a so called elitist feeding at the public trough with the rest of the establishment pigs and if the likes of cameron are running as cons they will not get my vote, i hope we have some credible independents as an alternative
commented 2016-06-04 23:29:49 -0400
Ezra you were more than fair with Mark Cameron. It looks to me like Mark and many others want a Carbon Tax because of the money big money being paid out under the table. The Tax or Levi, or what ever they want to call it will not reduce Carbon or Change the Climate. Giving Billions to other Countries won’t help a thing other than line Politicians pockets. Why not slow down the Refugee Rush? Trudeau is just bringing them in to rig the next election, not because he really cares. As for as I’m concerned unless you have paid taxes and have actually worked for a living in Canada, you should not be allowed to vote. I do agree with the needy people getting a welfare cheque, but I know lots of people on Welfare abusing the system. They also vote for who ever promises the most money. I have worked all my life and sometimes couldn’t vote because I was miles away from home and working on Election day. I still pay the bills for people who get a welfare cheque, even the abusers. Welfare recipients don’t have to take a drug test to get their welfare cheque, I on the other hand have to take drug testing to hold my job. Many of our new Immigrants/Refugees are here only for the free handouts offered at the expense of Taxpayers like myself. Maybe they even get paid to do Selfies with Justin Trudeau?
commented 2016-06-04 23:29:05 -0400
Jesus, he is pals with Ivey Foundation… I must suspect it ultimately is Soros.
commented 2016-06-04 23:11:57 -0400
One degree in a hundred years, what a pant load. This idiot believes the UN will use the money for “the climate”…

But, it’ll be used to hire and arm jihadists for use in coups, buy and sell drugs, and probably trade in human slaves… The United Nations is a fully corrupt institution.

Look at the occultic bullshit on the dollar bill, a bunch of demonic freaks are laughing in our faces. Time to read up some Rockefeller quotes and realize what’s happening today.

“Climate change” is an anti-human death cult, using communism to transfer wealth from the people to the oligarchy. It’s that simple.