March 16, 2017

Muslims and Christians Don’t Worship the Same God

Faith GoldyRebel Host
 

Tonight, I tell you why it's time to dispel the myth that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. 

While Abrahamic seed might bond us, our theologies — as they pertain to the nature of God, our duties to Him, and how to treat our enemies — put us in separate camps of self-quarantine.

Then, I bring you exclusive and unseen footage from The Rebel's trip to IsraelTwo in-depth interviews with insiders on the topics of Middle Eastern geopolitics, and Israeli high tech.

Plus we've got your weekly Quote of Honour!

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commented 2017-03-18 15:24:12 -0400
One of the largest media sites on the regressive left is “The Young Turks” which is a twisted name as this was the movement in the Ottoman Empire which led the slaughter of millions of Armenian and Greek Christians about 100 years ago. Cenk Uygur who is bully in chief of this lame site denies the Armenian Genocide like the Turkish government. He even has an attractive Armenian American girl who tries to spin that “its like 100 years ago so get over it” What a bubble head but Cenk is the top dog there and classic bully boy leftist until in runs into some real opposition then he runs for the hills.
commented 2017-03-18 15:19:56 -0400
Please check out the following website for a complete story on Islam: TheReligionOfPeace.com . Also check out the YouTube video called " A 1400 year secret, Why are are afraid" by Dr. Bill Warner who has decided Poltical Islam and how Islam has spread by the sword and destroys myths around the Crusades and the Dark Ages. The Muslims are just being used by the globalists like Soros and their Puppet politicians and barking dog reporters in the lamestream media to slowly take away our rights and basically to divide and conquer. More useful idiots lets say like feminists.
commented 2017-03-18 10:24:02 -0400
Tammie: You are correct in that we have strayed from the original topic. Sometimes that happens, but I think the ideas that we have thrown around do touch on the broader and meaningful issues related to God in general. So I have enjoyed this. We could also likely find moderate Muslims, if there is such a thing, who would argue that Jews , Christians, and Muslims all worship the same God.
Terry: I have enjoyed our dialogue. You have given me some food for thought and I will continue to study and see what I come up with. No doubt we will cross paths again – I look forward to it:) God is using you to sharpen me up!
And Tammie, this “straying from the original topic” can be very enlightening for all of us because it can bring up issues and dialogue that can be very edifying. Thanks for your thoughts as well.
commented 2017-03-18 09:42:41 -0400
I have read a lot of interesting comments; and can’t help but think we have strayed from the topic “Muslims and Christians Don’t Worship the Same God”.
commented 2017-03-18 01:56:19 -0400
Paul Dixon; So you’re corroborating the inspired word of God, was chronicled by the Jews yet you claim they don’t worship the same God. We aren’t coming to terms on this Paul but I sincerely wish you well.
commented 2017-03-17 20:53:20 -0400
It’s a fact in the new testament that Jesus liked to point out to Jews how they had misinterpreted scriptures through hypocrisy in particular. For example when you pray, He told them, go into your room in private and pray for the father in secret will hear you. And do not be like the Pharisees who like to stand in the street and pray out loud for everyone to see and hear, for they have received their reward by being seen and praised by other people but it doesn’t really cut it with the Father. (What people do we know who like to do this today? Hint, islam. ) The new testament is the fulfilment of the old testament. I have heard Jewish people who converted to Catholicism say this.
commented 2017-03-17 20:13:52 -0400
Cathy R: You wrote: " But that’s not the whole picture. One has to believe in the old testament as well or you’re only getting half of the full message of the bible. "
I fully agree. But the Old Testament (OT) is used for the most part in the New Testament (NT) to authenticate Jesus Christ. On the road to Emmaus, after His resurrection, Jesus confronted two of his disciples and, in order to clear up their lack of understanding of the meaning of His death and resurrection, what did He do? “And beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.”(Luke 24:27) He went back to the first books of the Hebrew Scriptures – the Pentateuch or Law – and explained through all the Prophets as well, all about Himself and how that all tied together with His death and resurrection. In verse 32 these same men spoke about how their hearts burned within them as He explained the Scriptures to them.

So yes, the Old Testament is the authoritative word of God, and is revered along with the New Testament by all Christians. God teaches us throughout the OT about His character and His faithfulness to His people. But the whole Bible must be seen as the progressive revelation of God, and pointing to the Gospel (even starting right in Genesis 2 with the concept of “rest”, which weaves through Scripture until we get the clear picture of its fulfillment in Hebrews 4). We interpret the OT through the eyes of the NT, not the other way around, simply because of Jesus Christ, his death and resurrection. The Law had a place, even in the life of Jesus and his family, but the Law has been fulfilled and made obsolete in light of the grace of God in the death and resurrection of Jesus (Hebrews 8:13). The Church, consisting of born again Jews and Gentiles who follow Jesus, is now the bride of Christ.

I can only hope and pray that you and others will be inspired to dig into the Scriptures, both Old and New, in order to see the tremendous depth of the revelation of God which is in there in Christ Jesus.

God bless!
commented 2017-03-17 19:39:04 -0400
This thread could literally go on forever. So I will attempt to be concise and succinct in my responses.

Christians are people of the book, the Bible, so anything theological should stem from the Bible, not from our imaginations or desires. After all, the apostle Paul was evaluated by his faithfulness to the Scriptures, the Old Testament (OT), by the Bereans (Acts 17:11). Notice that his preaching throughout the New Testament (NT) was focused on the resurrection of Jesus, so there was a connection between the OT and the resurrection of Jesus. All who claim to be Christians should be evaluated in what they believe and promote by the Bible itself, me included!

Terry – You wrote: "The binding of Issac was the explicit rejection of human sacrifice, " I do not know where you found that explanation in the Bible. Could you give me a reference, please. If you read Genesis 22 and Hebrews 11:17-19 you will find that the whole incident concerning Isaac was a demonstration of Abraham’s faithfulness to God, and a foreshadowing of the sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus Christ – the lamb of God. The whole incident had a future messianic application.

Terry – You wrote: “They worshipped the Creator of all things before Jesus and they worship Him now.” The pre-incarnate Christ, the Word of God, was the Creator of all things!
John 1:3: “All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.”
Colossians 1:16,17: “For by him (”in" could be a translation here) all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers, or authorities – all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together."
Hebrews 1:10: (this is a direct reference to Jesus, the Son – see the previous 9 verses): “You, O Lord laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands;” This is also a quote from Psalm 102, and the reference there was God.

So if the Jews reject Jesus and the New Testament, which they do, then they basically have rejected the true God who created the world. They have rejected His full revelation of who He is. They worship a god who demands keeping the law, when, in reality, Jesus fulfilled the law and provided salvation apart from the law (see Romans 3:20). They have rejected the Creator of the world. See my next comment to Cathy R for a little more to think about.
commented 2017-03-17 16:06:07 -0400
Paul; Fine, if that’s your belief. They worshipped the Creator of all things before Jesus and they worship Him now. The binding of Issac was the explicit rejection of human sacrifice, so how on earth could you not understand that they rejected Him? They were not suppose to worship a man and their Messiah was not suppose to be Devine. But yes, I will as always pray them.
commented 2017-03-17 16:05:22 -0400
Billy Howard,“Time to make western civilized society the priority…again.”
“In the old days (pre-Trudeau daddy) Canadians of all religions co-mingled, followed Canadian laws and western values. People in general put the more radical tenets of their religions aside in favour of civilized western society. "
Ditto that! I say ‘ditto that’, but we all know Islam is incapable of such co-existence. They say so themselves, quite plainly. Islam has nothing in common with Christianity, western values, democratic governance or individual freedoms. All the things we hold dear, fought and shed blood for. Why would we accept this evil into our house? There is no good reason why we should.

……And if we are smart we won’t allow any more of it. I would also say that if Muslims don’t want their theocracy insulted they should take it home and keep it there. The west isn’t going to accept it without a very large ongoing fight.
commented 2017-03-17 15:43:02 -0400
The Jews denied that Christ was the Messiah, which is why they have been punished by God, and have been a target of hatred from the world. In the end, the remnant will remember Jesus and will be saved when Christ returns, for the final battle of Armageddon. First they will have to go through the tribulation period.

What I find fascinating is that the old testament is in the new, and new is in the old.
commented 2017-03-17 15:26:33 -0400
Jews and Christians do believe in the same God with the exception being that Jews deny that Jesus was the promised Messiah from the old Testament. Before Jesus came along Judaism was all that existed. Mary and Joseph (Jesus Himself went to Temple to speak with rabbi’s and others) were devout Jews who went to temple and worshipped God the father of the Old testament. All of the apostles were Jews, that’s all there was back then, but most of the Jews denied Jesus, and hence the first split of the temple or church, Christianity or perhaps back then it was known as the new Judaism. I see some of you only giving praise for the new testament. But that’s not the whole picture. One has to believe in the old testament as well or you’re only getting half of the full message of the bible. Jesus and his parents going to Temple and talking about the old testament proves it is very important and not to be ignored. As for muslims and their allah, I don’t know what god that is. The only God I know of the old and new testament would never condone the things that are in the koran.
commented 2017-03-17 15:06:03 -0400
- Allah is the Arabian Moon god, also known as BAAL, HUBAL & MOLECH. It was the god of the tribe of Muhammed & children were sacrificed to it.
commented 2017-03-17 15:04:08 -0400
Peter Netterville: If as you say i am rolling the dice, then i am fine with that. Because i don,t believe doesnt mean i havent led a good christian life( i like to think i have). So if there really is a god, i like to think St. Peter would let me in on merit. But a god that would deny me heaven because i won,t bow before him and pray weekly, i just cant wrap my head around that. So on this my friend we will just have to agree to disagree. Peace!
commented 2017-03-17 13:26:23 -0400
Terry McLeod: Christians worship Jesus as God. Jews totally reject Jesus as God. So if Jesus is truly God, and Jews reject Jesus as God, then Jews worship a different God. They think that they worship the God who revealed himself in the Old Testament, but inherent in that revelation was the Messiah to come. We see this through the teachings of Jesus and the other writers of the New Testament in their references back to the Old Testament prophesies.
They then rejected the prophesied Messiah to come, meaning that they rejected the reality of God in Jesus Christ.
They have rejected the work of God in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
They are looking for a future Messiah, which means they reject Jesus as Messiah and God and are idolatrous in waiting for someone else.
God has come to them in the flesh and they have rejected Him – they have rejected God Himself! Who, then do they worship? We do Jews no good whatsoever by telling them that we all worship the same God. They all need to hear the Gospel and receive Jesus Christ as their Saviour. They need our love, which means we need to speak the truth to them about Jesus, and they need our prayers.
commented 2017-03-17 13:03:22 -0400
Peter Alkerton: Christians wish the best for all people, just as Jesus did. If you wish to smoke a nice pipeful, go ahead. That is how you see freedom. I was a drunk, and Jesus showed me another way. That is the “good” that I wish for all.

I suspect, from your quote of Samuel Jackson (he made a mess of the real biblical quote, as Tammie pointed out), that you wish Christians would not judge you or infringe on your “rights” or desires. All Christians want is true good health – physical, mental, and spiritual, for all people. I was a drunk, and I am glad that someone pointed me to Jesus, as He showed me the true path to that good health, both in this present life and the eternal life to come. No true Christian claims to be perfect – we know that we are all reconstruction/renovation projects.
commented 2017-03-17 13:02:56 -0400
Edward Jobin; It could also be because we only have two cheeks and we are human after all. But all in all I agree with your sentiment
Peter Alkerton; I won’t " move on from these ancient writings" because there is such a wealth of knowledge to be gleaned. Everything from the big bang theory (or not) to the seperation of church and state (see Moses father in law). There is always something new. But I have no desire to force anything on you against your will.
commented 2017-03-17 13:02:10 -0400
@ Peter Alkerton, " Thats the point. Lets move on from these ancient writings. There,s a better chance of aliens than a god up there. And like god, i have,nt seen one of them either."

You of course are welcome to your opinion. We have a free country.

If I am wrong and there is no God as described in the Bible, then I have lost nothing in believing in Him throughout my life.

If there is a God as described in the Bible then all those who did not believe will lose everything, including their soul.

Quite a “roll of the dice” wouldn’t you say?
commented 2017-03-17 12:48:57 -0400
Paul Dixon; Jews and Christians most certainly do worship the same God. The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. We know him as Jesus in the former of the Trinity. They know him has Hashem and are still waiting for their Messiah who in their view is a human being not a God figure. Nevertheless two thirds of our sacred book is the Jewish bible, for the most part intact. After a 1900 year exile it wasn’t luck that brought them back.
commented 2017-03-17 12:42:22 -0400
Yes Peter it was written a long,long time ago, just like the koran. Thats the point. Lets move on from these ancient writings. There,s a better chance of aliens than a god up there. And like god, i have,nt seen one of them either.
commented 2017-03-17 12:26:03 -0400
Peter, Pulp Fiction writers loosely “borrowed” from the Gospel of Matthew 7:2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Samuel L Jackson wasn’t given the rest of it to say.
commented 2017-03-17 12:16:29 -0400
Peter said, “In the words of a great philospher, judge thee, lest thee be judged.”

Which he quoted from the Bible. Written long, long ago.
commented 2017-03-17 12:15:55 -0400
Edward Jobin. Nice response. Glad you read from the book of common sense. Live and let live people. Peace ya,ll, after reading some of these responses i need to smoke a nice big pipefull.
commented 2017-03-17 12:07:56 -0400
In the words of a great philospher, judge thee, lest thee be judged. Samuel L Jackson PULP FICTION. If only it were that simple. Religion and beliefs always gets in the way.
commented 2017-03-17 11:59:49 -0400
If you find yourself getting easily upset or angry when someone question’s your religion you might think it because you are feeling God’s righteous anger and desire to preserve his truth when in reality it is because you are not as secure in your beliefs as you would have the rest of us believe. God gave us a free will and an intellect to use for a reason and it would be remiss that he would get angry for exercising the abilities he bestowed upon us as long as we try to be honest with ourselves and to honestly seek truth. God is not injured by honest enquiry. The God I serve says behold I stand at the door and knock, he does not kick the door down and force himself upon us.
commented 2017-03-17 11:45:21 -0400
Peter Alkerton: You seem to have had some very negative experiences with religion. You are not unique. If you look at the history of any religion you see black marks. The key is to check out what the religion actually teaches to determine whether or not what happened is actually what the religion teaches.

From a Christian perspective, many in the 2000 years of Christianity have committed atrocities in the name of Jesus. The question is: Was this true Christianity They may have even thought that they were Christians, but in reality were not. What I would suggest that you do is to read about Jesus, which is what I did, which led to me becoming a Christian. I simply sat down with the Bible and read the first four books of the New Testament, the Gospels, which teach about Jesus’ life – what he did and what he said. This totally dispelled my previous understandings of him and Christianity. I saw a very different picture of what Christianity was. Then I continued to read about the beginnings of the Christian church, from Acts and the rest of the New Testament. What a contrast to what I had been taught before in the media.

There is a distinct difference between Mohammed and Jesus. Simply reading about their lives and reading what they said will demonstrate that very clearly. And, as a reminder, in the 20th century there were between 100-150 million killings around the world by atheist leaders, for the cause of atheism, by Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. Rejecting “religion” and heralding atheism is a dead-end street. Just check out Jesus – you will pleasantly surprised!
commented 2017-03-17 11:43:09 -0400
Peter Alkerton said, “What i do know is that religion kills a shitload of people, all in the name of peace.”

That statement reinforces this statement: "Don,t no shit about religion,don,t want to. "

Which because of that ignorance leads to this statement, “The sooner all religions are gone like the dodo, the better off everybody will be”

Atheist and agnostic based cultures have many hundreds of thousands more people than religious cultures, but make sure you ignore that in your “I hate religions” diatribe.

When was the last time you saw Christianity kill people?

Make sure you lump all religions together. Fools cannot make the distinction.
commented 2017-03-17 11:42:33 -0400
The answer to co-existence is right in front of us: predominance of secularism.
In the old days (pre-Trudeau daddy) Canadians of all religions co-mingled, followed Canadian laws and western values. People in general put the more radical tenets of their religions aside in favour of civilized western society.
Enter Trudeau(s) and multi-culturalism: The encouragement of division instead of integration.
Every time Trudeau or any government leader talks about a religion’s domination, persecution, or favorability, they do society a disservice. Justin is encouraging religious tensions and likely future conflict instead of encouraging western values such as democracy, equality, and assimilation.
Let people have their preferred version of God, but encourage a society where religion is just something people do, like any other pastime or trait. Just because I go to church on Sunday, and you prefer Sunday morning football is no reason not to be friends if we have other things in common.
Time to make western civilized society the priority…again.
commented 2017-03-17 11:32:32 -0400
During the late 70’s, my father had considered accepting a job in Saudi Arabia (oil industry); and wanted to bring the family with him. I overhead a conversation when I was nine years old, they were discussing public lashings; stonings; pretty violent stuff…. I wanted to know why they were talking about this and these punishments couldn’t be true. I was told things are very different in Saudi Arabia….. They explained how women & girls are expected to behave; according their “religion” My father spoke of thieves having their hand cut off. I will always remember my reaction to this, I was scared and asked, “What if a man steals bread because his family is hungry?” I was told it doesn’t matter. I explained to my parents that I wouldn’t want to move there and I would stay in Canada with my grandparents.
When I asked my grandmother about the religion in Saudi Arabia, she said something similar to this,“Many hundreds of years ago, a very wicked man tricked the people to believe in a false god. They still believe today. Our God is loving and merciful and we know this because he sent his only son Jesus to teach us; Jesus died on the cross & he was resurrected so that our sins could be forgiven. We get to know God through Jesus. Don’t you worry, you are not going Saudi Arabia!” My grandparents agreed with me that I would live with them. My parents learned more about the cultural and “religious” practices and decided against a move to the Middle East. I know my grand-mother was the driving force in convincing my Dad to abandon the idea.

As as adult, I have researched Islam pretty extensively & my grandmother’s basic explanation when I was a child still holds true.
The totalitarian ideology of Islam is not a religion, and the tyrannical nature of the belief system is the opposite of God.
commented 2017-03-17 11:28:06 -0400
Some good points made in these comments.
However, though we are mostly very clear on the fact that Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God, let us also be clear that the Jewish understanding of who God is is very different from the Christian understanding; hence, Jews also worship a different God from Christians. Jews and Christians are not “brothers”. Christians are followers of Jesus Christ, born again of the Holy Spirit. Neither of these truths apply to Jews.

Jesus made it very clear himself (after talking about being born again in John.3:3-5) in John.3:16-18: “For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already because he has not believed in the the name of the only Son of God.”

Jesus himself is very clear that ALL stand under condemnation unless they believe in the Son of God – him. Both Muslims and Jews reject Jesus (both reject him as the Son of God, as the Messiah/Saviour, and his resurrection) therefore they all stand under condemnation. Jesus also said: “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except by me.”(Jn.14:6) This is very exclusive!

The teachings of the Bible are very clear that Christianity is the only true religion, that eternal life is exclusive to Christians, and that Jesus is the only way to get there. The real Jesus is not some watered down version, like a prophet of Islam or wise teacher of Judaism. It is the Jesus of the Bible. Both Jews and Muslims need prayer that they will respond to Jesus and be saved. Otherwise their eternal destiny is hell.

And remember – if you disagree, it is not me saying this – it is Jesus himself as revealed in the Bible. You need to deal with him!