May 19, 2016

Liberal Party’s electoral reform is undemocratic, and only they will benefit

Faith GoldyRebel Host
 

Tonight, I give you talking points to get people passionate about the two least sexy words in the English language: electoral reform. The Liberal Party's approach to democratizing our system is undemocratic and not the reform we need. It's meant to benefit the Liberal Party alone.

Then, the man behind the motion: Conservative Party firearms activist Richard Wakefield joins us to discuss proposed changes to the CPC's firearm policy at the party's convention in Vancouver next week. Hint: it's a step in the right direction!

Plus: We've got your week's top headlines and "Quote of Honour."

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commented 2016-06-01 19:35:07 -0400
Any “reform” must come with the approval of the people or it has no legitimacy.

Liberal logic – disarm law abiding citizens while playing hug-a-thug with criminals.

Hillary for Prison 2016!
commented 2016-05-29 06:50:11 -0400
“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.”
―Seneca
commented 2016-05-22 15:29:39 -0400
Travis Chase,
“I think Canadian’s would quickly learn how to plump their ballots by not putting any other choices”
If pushed though without the will of the people, it is one way the people still can speak.

Lynn Simcox,
“Thank you Faith for tonight’s electoral reform topic.”
Thank you for your comment, very thought provoking. I do say, a referendum is a must.

Peter Netterville,
“I as well do not want any religious groups in power in Ottawa…”
Agree, saying it my way, all or nothing. Since we can not have nothing, then it is none. Your comments about Stephen Harper are very true.

Ken Hanson,
“If this government chooses to make the proposed changes to the way we conduct our elections without a referendum they will no longer be a legitimate democratic government.”
Morally, that is absolutely true.It’s becoming more and more obvious, there is little concern for democracy here.

A slow but, accelerating, shutting down of democratic free speech is occurring in Canada today. Couple this, with what appears to be a slow but, accelerating, seizure of our democratic institutions, will leave our lives not being our own, slaves in our own country.
commented 2016-05-22 10:27:08 -0400
I agree that the way this Liberal government is going about electoral reform is not democratic in the least. I do agree that this scam of first past the post (FPTP) really needs to be done away with, because this type of system only works if there was only a 2 party system like it was many years ago when this system was created. That’s why the President of the United States must win by 50% plus 1. I also don’t agree with this ranked balloting because again it gives as you say the Liberals controlling power. I feel the only democratic way of reform would be the same way these parties elected their leader. And that is by process of elimination. Yes it’s more expensive but absolutely the better way. On the first ballot the top 2 contenders move on and then there is a second ballot to pick the leader or Party that governs this country. It’s either that or we only have a 2 party system again. But that’s unlikely to happen, so this way is the better one I think. One also must remember that we do not vote for the candidate that is in your riding but the party for which this candidate is a member of! In other words he or she candidate even if said candidate is your best friend should not get your vote if their party affiliation is not what you want governing over you. So yes we citizens should demand a Referendum on this matter! Or I believe someone with knowledge of our constitution launch a challenge against this government. Our rights should not be ignored!
commented 2016-05-21 12:09:46 -0400
Kenneth Lawrence said:
“This subversion of Canadian democracy by Justin Trudeau and his sycophant Liberal Party of Canada must be fought to the Supreme Court if necessary, but hopefully mass protest will be sufficient to stop it in its tracks. If not, we must be prepared to finance a legal fight to stop the Liberals from engineering a legal Liberal dictatorship. What Justin Trudeau is doing would turn Pierre Trudeau’s stomach. He would never have entertained such a travesty.”

As someone who barely survived the rampant unemployment, taxes, and despotic behaviour of PET’s reign I would disagree. Trudope is seriously following Sr’s lead having had this tyrannical thinking drilled into his brain throughout his pampered childhood.
Add to that, it is a given the lieberal courts system would never entertain an attempt by ordinary citizens to undo their communist hero Trudope! Protests will not go far when the citizenry is being fired upon by the marxist police and the jihadi army the Liebranos are importing!
commented 2016-05-20 23:57:56 -0400
This subversion of Canadian democracy by Justin Trudeau and his sycophant Liberal Party of Canada must be fought to the Supreme Court if necessary, but hopefully mass protest will be sufficient to stop it in its tracks. If not, we must be prepared to finance a legal fight to stop the Liberals from engineering a legal Liberal dictatorship. What Justin Trudeau is doing would turn Pierre Trudeau’s stomach. He would never have entertained such a travesty.
commented 2016-05-20 23:51:43 -0400
Dictatorship-loving Justin Trudeau and his sycophant Liberal Party of Canada trying to eliminate the electoral system that has served Canada well for nearly 150 years can only be viewed as subversion of Canadian democracy.
commented 2016-05-20 15:24:04 -0400
Peter Netterville: Oh no, not another mental disease infecting New Dems and Libs, they seem to have a monopoly on such afflictions lately. And as per Lawrence’s comment about Alberta’s plight,I I think that useless prick in Ottawa (it seems apparent that Pierre was probably his dad), hates Alberta so much he doesn’t care about our petro industries, and they will figure out other ways to gouge money out of taxpayers to cover any shortfalls if we go tits up. As for Notley, the Che-vite witch, she and Wynne seem to have some disorder that is steering them toward the cliff, and even though there is factual information available that MIGHT save us, these two make it apparent they will never change course. My head hurts!

DJBT and several others
commented 2016-05-20 12:03:49 -0400
If this government chooses to make the proposed changes to the way we conduct our elections without a referendum they will no longer be a legitimate democratic government.
commented 2016-05-20 11:23:15 -0400
Lawrence asked, "is it just me or is turdo just letting Alberta’s oil industry burn to the ground,where will he get his money for eastern Canada… "

No, it is not just you. There is a cognitive disconnect (to use a recently popularized term) where the Liberals and NDP know where a large majority of their money comes from, the oil and gas industry, and yet they attack at every opportunity and in any way they can that same industry.

I am sure that it is a mental disease that allows them to pursue the destruction of the same industry that feeds them and not notice the contradiction.
commented 2016-05-20 11:04:17 -0400
peter.. good points , peter harper was concerned for Canada’s welfare and safety of CANADIAN citizens,he did not push any religious beliefs and tried not to be influenced by special interests groups ,we all know who they are ,the gays ,the transgenders,the climate cultists ,the muslims, the feminists and the ecco nuts trying to shut down our resource industry,the corrupt UN and their trying to control all western countries , is it just me or is turdo just letting Alberta’s oil industry burn to the ground,where will he get his money for eastern Canada… the liberal cultists will never admit this but harper was a good PM who did not run around looking for cameras to pose in front of,he stabilized Canada in one of the worst financial crisis since 1929 crash, he didn’t feel the need to do push ups or visit zoos to look at panda bears,and some of his deficits were forced on him by having a minority government, i didn’t particularly like harper but i know one thing he cared about Canada and his tax reforms and income splitting helped many seniors like myself keep more of their income,this muslim pm now is stupid, low info ,childish and dangerous, like his latest incident,his sticking out his tongue and telling people to fo,it’s a long list of incompetence. one last point is it me or does there seem to be a lot of turdo’s cult members commenting here lately,they seem to be coming out of the wood work
commented 2016-05-20 10:39:46 -0400
In “dear leader’s” own words, did he not say his governing model was China with its single party state dictatatorship – to help get things done?

That attide is beneath contempt and in any civilized democratic plurality would render him unfit to operate in a democracy.

To fundamentally change the democratic system without a direct mandate is an act of Chinese despotism. I’m willing to revolt against that.
commented 2016-05-20 09:45:59 -0400
I as well do not want any religious groups in power in Ottawa, as Ron Christensen said, though Ron specifically targeted Christians. That is not surprising for a bigot like Ron Christensen to say. Ron is far more of a bigot than those he accuses to be bigots on this website, he just does not have the IQ to recognize it.

However, I do not want ANY religious group to have power in Ottawa either, and that includes Christians, Islamists, Athiests (yes, that is a religion), Climate Change religious fanatics (most definately a religion), Mormans, Hindu, and others. i.e. No religious groups at all.

The part that Ron Christiensen and other brain dead socialists cannot grasp is that Harper did not, I repeat DID NOT run Canada with his personal Christian beliefs. That was one of the main reasons why a portion of his base was angry at him.
commented 2016-05-20 09:37:38 -0400
& to add, i see that John Siciliano comment and i scroll pass, not wasting time reading a socialist idiots comments. i do a lot of scrolling since he has been trolling our Rebel.
commented 2016-05-20 09:35:27 -0400
I can see that our resident Liberal trolls are wetting their pants at the sheer joy at the thought of having the Liberals in power forever. These are the same people that cry out that they are the champions of democracy.
commented 2016-05-20 09:32:08 -0400
David White, i agree with your comment & believe also that Frank Zappa may be responsible for our misery! LOL
commented 2016-05-20 09:12:18 -0400
libranos tampering with shit that distracts what’s really going on.

in the US, they are calling them PENSION BOMBS!!

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20160520/NEWS02/160519744/chicagos-pension-fund-troubles-just-became-11-5-billion-bigger#utm_medium=email&utm_source=ccb-politics&utm_campaign=ccb-politics-20160520

Pensions are failing in the US – why no coverage of the pending pension failures in Canada??

Ezra, Brian, please help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
commented 2016-05-20 09:04:09 -0400
RON CHRISTENSEN commented 3 hours ago
I’m in favour of any electoral system that prevents the religious right from ever again having any influence on the country.

Yes, of course, you assume that is all conservatives. How about the religious left? Or atheist conservatives? You are just a bigot.
commented 2016-05-20 08:52:52 -0400
Liberals only work for liberals, NOT Canadians.

Why would anyone be surprised?
commented 2016-05-20 08:19:01 -0400
I can see a Western Republic coming soon if this is passed.
commented 2016-05-20 07:24:08 -0400
ELECTION REFORM

First past the post—————-YES
Fixed term limits——————-YES
Fixed election date————-YES
Only the 2 official languages used————-YES
Limit the riding size to 299 seats——————YES
Require all Canadians to vote———————-YES
Fine all Canadians that don’t vote—————-YES If you don’t vote you are fined the fines collected from your tax return , welfare cheque, HST cheque your pension cheque, A fine of $100.00
Voting by mail—————-YES If you are unable to vote on election day an official form & envelope can be obtained from the local post office or government office or a request from the government.
Fixed time for electioneering—————-YES
Fixed monies spent by the parties———YES
Fixed amount of contributions to a political party————YES
No political PACTs foreign or domestic—————YES
No tax deduction for monies donated to the political party——-YES
No contributions from corporations or unions or religious groups——-YES
fixed and Fast jail terms for election fraud 3 years minimum……..YES
No pensions for members of parliament 2 term limit———-YES

I can think of more but I just got up
commented 2016-05-20 06:46:38 -0400
During the Harper years the Liberals and their cronies were largely cut off from the public purse. They cannot allow this to happen again. It’s strictly business.
commented 2016-05-20 06:31:24 -0400
I’m in favour of any electoral system that prevents the religious right from ever again having any influence on the country.
commented 2016-05-20 05:23:50 -0400
Thank you Faith for tonight’s electoral reform topic. I wish the Rebel would stop asking for a referendum and refocus to pushing for a true electoral reform. As a member of Fair Vote Canada, we agree with you that the Liberal proposal of ranked balloting is not reform but a stacked continuation of the existing First Past the Post (FPTP) system.
FPTP is a totally flawed, almost corrupt voting method. I WANT MY VOTE TO COUNT. I want to be able to vote for my party of choice and be ensured that my vote counts. All Canadians want this but every election , with FPTP, millions of Canadians might as well not have bothered to vote because only the winning votes count. That is how the current government, with less than 40% of the vote, received 55% of the seats and 100% of the power. It is no wonder that voter turnout is so low when many know that to vote for their party of choice in their riding is a waste of time. The biggest fraud with FPTP is that we use it to elect a government . Every election millions of Canadians lie to themselves , go against their true principles and their true party of choice, to "strategically " vote. They unelect an unpopular party to replace it with a soon to be, new unpopular government.
The financial costs of this FPTP system to the taxpayer are staggering as each " often phony majority " government dismantles the previous governments costly policies.
FPTP has to be replaced with a truly inclusive system and there are many to choose from. Yes, there will be different party representations, more minority governments and slower decision making. But the decisions will be more tempered, less costly and longer lasting.
Do not fear the new power of smaller parties. Their policies and platforms will be out in the open and if unpopular will soon lose votes and their few seats. Do fear the FPTP system and its current government with its phony majority and absolute power. Already the deficit balloons and Canada’s cultural heritage is threatened with “3 year Canadians” who speak neither of our official languages. Absolute power requires "absolute payoffs " to the special interest groups that provide the means to that power. Fear and fight that Canada, with a better voting system !
I will leave you Faith with some excerpts from a previous Prime Minister. I quote " In today’s democratic societies organizations share power. Various (mine) bureaucracies make decisions through consultation, committees and consensus-building techniques. Only in politics do we still entrust power to a single faction expected to prevail every time over the opposition by sheer force of numbers… Many of Canada’s problems stem from a winner take all style of politics that allows governments in Ottawa to impose measures abhorred by large areas of the country. Modernizing Canadian politics would not only be good for conservatism, it might be the key to Canada’s survival as a nation. "
Too bad Prime Minister Stephen Harper did not follow through with those thoughts when he had absolute power. Good night.
commented 2016-05-20 03:50:11 -0400
Rex Murphy had a good soliloquy on electoral reform tonight.
commented 2016-05-20 03:38:15 -0400
John S Penson is just a paid troll. Do not feed him.
commented 2016-05-20 03:36:57 -0400
John S social programs do not mean social equality. And they have expanded massively and there is less equality. What world do you live in?
commented 2016-05-20 03:35:59 -0400
I think Canadian’s would quickly learn how to plump their ballots by not putting any other choices
commented 2016-05-20 01:37:04 -0400
Well Penson I do agree under a system of even just centrists or parties very close to centre giving us just centrist choices that Canada could become a lot more civil and it could become a place where parties are regularly sharing power in hopefully a proportional representation system which I do favour. Of course, as I told others on here, I do not appreciate the Liberals deciding by themselves. Canada has to have a referendum to deal with an issue such as this with 7 provinces agreeing at 50% for 7 provinces. That will change our system but it is weird that the Conservatives want the constitution to be opened when they opposed that during their entire tenure in office.

Also, it would mean more smaller parties gaining with them winning a seat or higher. This would create probably newer movements and in the rare cases some fringe type parties gaining seats. Everything would be about gaining that 100,000 people were seat threshold.

Of course, before that happens, the Liberals have to be as open as possible.

For those that constantly talk about liberty, I do agree that it has been hijacked by the right wing when in fact any party can be for liberty through their own interpretation much like anything sounding like a freedom movement is hijacked by the right. To me, freedom and liberty can be part of any movement.
commented 2016-05-20 01:31:35 -0400
After sifting through the Herman-Siciliano dust up, and allowing my head to stop spinning, might I add my summation. What we have in Canada is a basic liberal dictatorship, lead by a slightly Marxist effeminate hot head, who displays a touch of Fidel,but who has shown his inner Mussolini to be dominant during times of pressure, hence the rapid strutting on the floor, coupled with an aloof arrogance that I have only seen in one other, Pierre Elliot Trudeau, giving rise to the question, is Pierre really his dad? The other day when Justin was showing off his double eyebrows, I had to wonder if Frank Zappa had somehow got a sniff of Margaret back in the day. The jury is still out on that whole deal. Siciliano, better ice down your hands, lot of typing. Better rest up for tomorrow. Maybe take little Ronny with you, I think he’s lonely.

DJBT and the hag