October 27, 2016

After Patrick Brown’s betrayal, social conservatives strike back. PLUS guest Maxime Bernier

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It wasn’t so long ago Patrick Brown rose from an unknown back-bencher on Parliament Hill to become leader of Ontario’s Progressive Conservative Party.

How did he do it? The answer is quite simple: Social conservatives. They rallied behind Brown when he promised to stand with parents as first educators, even as Premier Kathleen Wynne forced her radical sexual re-education curriculum on the province’s children.

So what happened? Well, Patrick didn’t dance with the ones who brought him.

In fact, he stabbed them in the back, flip-flopping on the sex-ed issue.

But now, it’s payback: Ontario’s so-cons are coming to collect what they’re owed. I'll tell you a David and Goliath story, about a local nomination race in the Niagara region that actually offers a glimpse into the party’s future…

Once Patrick Brown threw his social conservative base under the bus (not to mention his surprise endorsement of a carbon tax), Brown’s saving grace, according to the party faithful I've spoken to, is that "he’s got one heck of a ground game." And yet, in the case of that Niagara race — the first REAL test since Brown’s sex ed flip flop — the Party’s pick couldn’t organize well enough to beat a nineteen year old with little more than a pledge to stand up for parents.

And so, with an eye to Ontario’s general election in 2018, I hope Brown’s office has learned a lesson in Niagara: A political establishment that ignores its base will start a firefight inside the tent. Power without principle won’t bring a party together, it’ll only tear it apart.

My guest tonight is Conservative Party of Canada leadership hopeful Maxime Bernier. I challenge his stances on issues that matter to social conservatives.

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commented 2016-11-12 11:06:12 -0500
Where are the real leaders?All this bull shit has to end ie carbon tax,unlimited immigration at the tax payers expense,the green energy act.Realistic hydro rates.There are more.
commented 2016-11-02 14:51:37 -0400
This is going to be an ‘Anybody but Liberals’ election, and the NDP and Liberals are just different shades of the same political stripe. Ergo: PC’s, with or without Patrick Brown will be the choice. However, I would still prefer if he’s replaced and for that to happen it needs to happen soon lest the image of the PC Party appear to be that of a disorganized party approaching an election.
commented 2016-11-01 19:39:16 -0400
However, a scientists wouldn’t actually claim that a fetus is a part of a woman’s body now would he?
commented 2016-11-01 19:32:55 -0400
I mean, as an alleged scientists, it couldn’t be the former could it?
commented 2016-11-01 19:31:31 -0400
Say Andrews, the question still stands about your choice of polls (he won’t answer):

“So what was it Andrews? Did you not check the date on the article or were you just trying to be deceitful?”
commented 2016-11-01 18:52:48 -0400
Since it’s so complicated … leave it to the individual to decide.
commented 2016-10-30 12:09:51 -0400
Restrictions on abortions is not nanny state, its a civilized reaction (and compromise)to a complicated problem on which no one can agree. Canada is the only country in the western world which has none. That is barbaric.

NNAUMBUA FARRELL, good work on ferreting out that the poll which Andrew based his abortion argument on was 4 years old.

Brown is a poor excuse for a conservative, No kind of representation in my opinion.
Thanks for this NNAUMBUA, " The problem here is that none of the three parties has an especially popular leader. None is the choice of more than about half of their own partisans as Premier. Kathleen Wynne has her own troubles, but neither Patrick Brown nor Andrea Horwath can get their approvals higher than about a third. Patrick Brown, because he’s not well known, or hasn’t projected a consistent message. "
commented 2016-10-30 10:52:31 -0400
“liza Rosie commented 18 hours ago
I am not surprised to hear that is the way it looks at the moment. If Brown gets in it won’t be because of his ‘Wynning’ smile, and ’progressive ways. The guy is still a weasel.

Regarding restrictions on abortion, those numbers indicate that there is enough support to reopen the debate as far as I am concerned. What ever is vague needs to be banged out. The time is now. "

Brown just needs to be palatable enough to get the “swing” vote. Yes, this will be towards the left end of the traditional PC spectrum, because that’s where the meat and potatoes are. They already have the far-right vote.

The best regulation is no regulation. The last thing we need to see is government expanding their reach back into social issues. If we purport to live in a free country, we should actually aspire to freedom, not creeping nanny-statism. I think it’s bizarre how the Right wants guns to have more freedom than people do over their own bodies. (to head it off, no I don’t support onerous gun control either).
commented 2016-10-29 20:49:17 -0400
And for the love of ALL that is good and holy…

THE EDITORIAL BOARDS OF THE TORONTO STAR AND THE GLOBE AND MAIL ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS.
commented 2016-10-29 20:43:17 -0400
So anyways, as I said before being entertained by an either desperately mendacious or stunningly unintelligent conservative hater:

“54% of Canadians agree that there should be restrictions on abortion. Even most millennials agree at 53%. Even 49% of Liberal voters and 53% of NDP voters agree.”

Think carefully Brown.
commented 2016-10-29 20:22:28 -0400
Consensual incest supporter said:

“Opinion polling suggests otherwise. The PCs are holding a 20 point lead in provincial polling, in the low 40s which is definite majority territory. "

Hey Liza, the following is from the source of Andrews’s numbers:

" The problem here is that none of the three parties has an especially popular leader. None is the choice of more than about half of their own partisans as Premier. Kathleen Wynne has her own troubles, but neither Patrick Brown nor Andrea Horwath can get their approvals higher than about a third. Patrick Brown, because he’s not well known, or hasn’t projected a consistent message. "

Forum Research President, Dr. Lorne Bozinoff.
http://poll.forumresearch.com/post/2617/pcs-lead-in-ontario/

Hasn’t projected a consistent message. Hmmm, on what has Brown been inconsistent?
commented 2016-10-29 19:47:35 -0400
LOL

Nevermind Andrews, I found your 4 year old poll right here buddy:

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/new-poll-shows-most-canadians-support-abortion-with-some-restrictions

So you brought up a poll that was 4 years older than mine and attempted to pass its results off as the “actual” numbers in Canada today.

So what was it Andrews? Did you not check the date on the article or were you just trying to be deceitful?
commented 2016-10-29 19:31:16 -0400
“The actual polls says 45%”

What are you referring to Andrews? Other polls or the poll to which I referred?
commented 2016-10-29 18:56:01 -0400
Audio quality on this episode is terrible. Sounds like it’s being played through ten layers of heavy blankets.
commented 2016-10-29 16:52:08 -0400
I am not surprised to hear that is the way it looks at the moment. If Brown gets in it won’t be because of his ‘Wynning’ smile, and ’progressive ways. The guy is still a weasel.

Regarding restrictions on abortion, those numbers indicate that there is enough support to reopen the debate as far as I am concerned. What ever is vague needs to be banged out. The time is now.
commented 2016-10-29 16:30:12 -0400
“liza Rosie commented 4 hours ago
Andrew says, “Patrick Brown knows, as well as anyone else, that the path to victory lies in the centrist votes.”
That is what he has been told Andrew, but he is going to get a big surprise when it doesn’t happen. Brown is a turncoat and possibly a pawn in a bigger plan to destroy Ontario. Brown is a disgusting little weasel. Regarding the obscene comment, what Peter said. "

Opinion polling suggests otherwise. The PCs are holding a 20 point lead in provincial polling, in the low 40s which is definite majority territory.
commented 2016-10-29 16:27:57 -0400
“54% of Canadians agree that there should be restrictions on abortion. Even most millennials agree at 53%. Even 49% of Liberal voters and 53% of NDP voters agree:”

The actual polls says 45% are in favour of some restrictions, and 49% think it should be unrestricted. Only 6% think it should be banned. A small majority of women – 51% – support unrestricted access.

The problem is, though, “some restriction” is very vague. For example, people are somewhat opposed to third trimester abortions… but in practice, these are very rarely performed (generally, only in cases where the fetus has a defect incompatible with survival anyway). It could mean the opposite – very strict, only in cases where continuing would be threatening to the mother. The vagueness means this category is not particularly informative.

Looking for information, only about a third of Canadians are interested in reopening the debate, suggesting that a good chunk of those supporting restrictions aren’t that upset about it.
commented 2016-10-29 14:05:13 -0400
Canadian Conservatives to start getting their MPs to do the right thing over being politically correct, including fighting back and maybe calling those making bigoted allegations against them, as bigots themselves – such as fighting any claims of homophobia by not wanting elementary school children to learn about anal sex is that maybe they may try such a dangerous action, and maybe it is because of HETEROPHOBIA on the Liberals part in invoking the sex ed because they typically think the Heterosexual is a Homophobe
commented 2016-10-29 13:59:14 -0400
I stopped supporting the Federal Conservatives the day they put political correctness over doing the right thing in appointing Graham Fraser as official language commissioner who went around hassling businesses in English Canada not on federal land for not providing French Service – Real Fiscal Responsibility there? – and even reappointed him even though he should clear bias by not doing the same to businesses in Quebec.
commented 2016-10-29 13:56:00 -0400
I stopped supporting the New Brunswick PCs the day they invoked official bilingualism, thus caused an exodus of anglos from the province like Quebec laws because New Brunswick Official Bilingualism is just and Anglophobic as Quebec laws are – but that got them the French vote right?
commented 2016-10-29 13:52:32 -0400
I stopped supporting the Ontario PCs the day they put political correctness over doing the right thing in not opposing the Liberal’s policy of disingenuously increasing the number of Francophones by claiming any one who understands French is a Francophone, in order to get more areas considered having a reasonable French population, thus more French required in positions because some Elitist Entitled Francophone does not want to speak English in the workplace like every other linguistic minority.
commented 2016-10-29 12:44:21 -0400
Andrew says, “Patrick Brown knows, as well as anyone else, that the path to victory lies in the centrist votes.”
That is what he has been told Andrew, but he is going to get a big surprise when it doesn’t happen. Brown is a turncoat and possibly a pawn in a bigger plan to destroy Ontario. Brown is a disgusting little weasel. Regarding the obscene comment, what Peter said.
commented 2016-10-28 23:06:00 -0400
I mean who, beside alleged scientists, want to end up as the below pro-abortion train wreck?
commented 2016-10-28 23:01:49 -0400
54% of Canadians agree that there should be restrictions on abortion. Even most millennials agree at 53%. Even 49% of Liberal voters and 53% of NDP voters agree:

http://www.therebel.media/march_for_life_rally_today_results_of_poll_on_abortion_might_shock_trudeau_and_media_party

Lefties are terrified of touching this issue and for good reason. Most people, when informed about the issue, are pro-life:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xWQHhqOAcg

Unfortunately, for some who support consensual incest, things are more complex than preferred. Brown should tread carefully and thoughtfully and not submit to the advice of people who despise him.
commented 2016-10-28 20:39:33 -0400
Patrick Brown knows, as well as anyone else, that the path to victory lies in the centrist votes. The people that would ordinarily vote for the Liberals, but are tired of Wynne. This group is bigger than the socons he’s frustrating.

For this reason, Brown will win in 2018.
commented 2016-10-28 20:30:51 -0400
I agree with Bill. Ontario needs a Trump but Canada really needs one. Go Trump.
commented 2016-10-28 20:22:29 -0400
Where did Patrick Brown come from? I have been a conservative all my life but the party lost me when Brown came out with his talk of a carbon tax. Now his acceptance of the Wynne sex ed, programs.. Too bad. So sad. Next election I will not vote Liberal and definitely not NDP. Any Libertarions out there.
commented 2016-10-28 15:23:50 -0400
Ontario needs its own Donald Trump – an independent business leader to make a personal sacrifice and jump into save the province before it s relegated to eternal serfdom.
commented 2016-10-28 11:56:00 -0400
I try to ignore the pigs that are trolling this site. Occasionally I have to say something, but most of the time, I just scroll by their comments. I’d rather read the intelligent comments, than read the what the potty mouths have to say. This one probably doesn’t know what to do with intelligent, conservative women, so he has to degrade them.