December 22, 2015

WATCH: Gavin McInnes and Steven Crowder's Canadian health care horror stories

Rebel Staff
 

Canadian ex-pats Steven Crowder and TheRebel.media's own Gavin McInnes get together for an end-of-the-year chat.

They complain about immigrants who work in call centres and drive taxis, and the experience of getting censored on Fox News' Red Eye (of all places.)

When the topic shifts to health care, that's when things get passionate.

Crowder and McInnes trade stories about relatives who've suffered under socialized medicine; immigrants getting treatment before "old stock" citizens; why Americans should never call an ambulance; and the leftwing mania for "traditional Chinese medicine," which Gavin calls, "Getting it wrong for 3000 years."

(NOTE: At one point Gavin briefly shows off his "tighty whitey" underpants...)

 

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commented 2015-12-23 21:24:37 -0500
I have waited 6 1/2 years in Manitoba and haven’t had a diagnosis yet. I saw a Dr in the US last hear and a German surgeon this year who could tell me more in 5 minutes than my 9 so called specialists in Manitoba can. It is clear to me that the provincial government has told them not to find the problem. Too many others have the same problem and they don’t want to pay for it.

I had my last Dr write a letter asking for our of country care which was immediately denied. I then wasted 6 1/2 months appealing that decision. I knew from the outset that they would never agree to send me anywhere. I was told I hadn’t exhausted all the possibilities in Canada,. I told them that at 6 1/2 years per province and territory I would be 136 years old but from, what I researched, I will be paralyzed in 2 years. Their response? Sucks to be you- in paraphrase.

What you must realize is that playing this game is total waste of time. It is medical Wac-A-Mole. Once you beat one of their specious arguments down they pop up with a new one. They gave at least 3 reasons why they would not agree to out of country care. In the end they based the denial on the “fact” that they didn’t like the way my Dr had worded his letter. That is not where they started. Medical Wac-A-Mole.

This is a total breach of the Canada Health Act that states that they must provide all necessary health care. But out oh-so-compassionate lefty governments have totally screwed up our health care system and the simplest way to deal with it is to deny people care. If you don’t make a diagnosis then you don’t have to pay for surgery. They save a lot of money that way.

In South Eastern Manitoba “well over 100 people” have gone to Germany for surgeries that are denied them here. Another equivalent number have done the same thing from South Western Manitoba. I have no idea how many have gone to the US and how many have just given up. But I think it is safe to say that at least 500 Manitobans are buying health care out of country in the last 5 years. My neighbour came back a short time ago from Germany and was all smiles because he had been told here that nothing could be done for him. Three weeks after surgery in Germany he was outside throwing a football around with his kids and grandkids.

In our area there are all kinds of fund raisers to help people buy their health care in Germany. German surgeons come to Manitoba and Ontario to meet prospective patients and review their MRIs and give them pricing on the surgeries. Instead of folks rising up in arms the Canadian sheeple just take out loans or mortgage their houses or do fund raisers to pay. At least the Yanks only pay once. Canadians pay twice: once through our taxes for care that is denied us and once with our after tax dollars.

One wonders how much the Manitoba Department of Denials spends to deny health care? What if those millions were spent on actually providing health care? What a concept! Then there is the phony Manitoba Health Appeal Board who are a bunch of high paid shills to give the appearance of hope. They get paid $435 dollars a day and there are 8 of them not to mention al the other staff.
The interesting thing is that when I was initially denied out of province care it was the Appeal Board who called me to see if I wanted to file an appeal. In retrospect that should have been a red flag. They were calling me to file an appeal as a make work project for themselves. If they have no appeals they don’t get paid. If they do agree to out of province care then they will lose this lucrative position to someone who is a little more malleable in the Government’s hands. So they refuse the on the flimsiest of excuses- like the doctor didn’t word his letter quite to their liking even though they admitted that there is no specified format for these letters.

Such is health care in our socialist paradise. But we must like it because we keep voting for these lefty governments and we never learn our lessons. There is no hope for a nation that wants to be lied to over and over again. Don’t blame me- I voted conservative. Mind you the conservatives don’t have the guts to change anything because they are afraid of offending the lefties.
commented 2015-12-23 10:28:43 -0500
John Matthews, I am sorry to hear your first wife lost her battle with multiple myeloma. Unfortunately, as you know, myeloma is not curable and losing the battle will eventually be the fate of all multiple myeloma patients at this point in time. Dedicated multiple myeloma researchers worldwide are seeking a cure for this terrible cancer but so far only new treatments but no cure. Multiple myeloma is a rare blood cancer so it doesn’t attract the large research funding which more well-known types such as Breast or Prostrate cancer do. People can help this research funding shortage by donating to Myeloma Canada (www.myelomacanada.ca) or to the Bloom Chair for multiple myeloma research at Princess Margaret Hospital in Toronto (http://www.thepmcf.ca/Our-Impact/Clinical-Research-Care/Story-List/Multiple-Myeloma). I hope I haven’t been too intrusive in this request and I sincerely hope nobody reading this will have to go through what happened to my family and to John’s family.
commented 2015-12-23 00:59:57 -0500
Allan Willy, sorry to hear about your wife. Multiple myloma got my first wife after an eleven year fight, it is a very nasty one.
commented 2015-12-22 22:20:54 -0500
Gavin … it’s a touque not a beanie! And it works best when it’s 20 below.
commented 2015-12-22 21:17:29 -0500
I was watching a video last night, it was a part of a BBC news cast. The UK has a problem with Hospitals, apart from the fact that they are grossly understaffed, their biggest problem is Muslims. Muslims who refuse to be treated by female doctors, they will not allow a female nurse to bath them or give them a bed pan, and so on. Hospitals are desperately trying to recruit male nurses, at the cost of female jobs, just to please Muslim patients.
I do not see this happening in Canada for a while, at least six months, Trudeau time.
commented 2015-12-22 19:48:28 -0500
I really like Gavin’s posts here on the rebel and maybe for some people socialized medicine did not work. However, for my wife and I it has worked most wonderfully. I have had lung cancer surgery when I was 36 in Toronto (no spread, no chemo…I was damn lucky!) and had a abdominal aortic aneurysm surgery (elective) a few years ago at 63 by the chief of vascular surgery at the Peter Munk Cardiovascular Centre in Toronto (I am not some rich mucky muck but my family doc knew this surgeon and got me in). About 13 years ago my wife was diagnosed with multiple myeloma a bone marrow cancer which is incurable but treatable. The main procedure was a stem cell transplant (using her own harvested stem cells) and 17 days stay in Princess Margaret Hospital in Toronto. Plus there was and have been many CAT scans, MRI’s, bone scans, radiation and on and on. I just do not think that if we were in the USA we would have done as well. However, I agree that there are lots of ills associated with today’s Canadian socialized medicine. I think too many people use hospital ER’s for family doctors and they cannot get in to see family docs because all their patients head for the family doc at the first sign of a sniffle or snort.

When I grew up in the prairies, under a rural municipality having socialized medicine, my parents never took me to an ER and the family doc was only visited when there was something seriously wrong like measles, chicken pox or pneumonia. As a matter of fact, the family doc made home visits for those communicable disease like measles and chicken pox! For the rest of the sniffles and snorts me and the rest of the children had mom care at home with soup and comic books. None of us died from our sniffles and snorts and had no need of a doc or ER visit.

I do not know what the answer is, user fees have been suggested in the past but vehemently objected to by the lefties. I have also noticed during ER visits (a myeloma patient quite often has pneumonia flare-ups and usually not when the family doc is open) that docs and nurses are not stingy with medical supplies often generously using or handing out extra bandages and antiseptics that the patient could easily purchase. Perhaps, a two-tier system may be better as it probably already exists now with Canadian patients who are well financed heading south of the border for treatments. One thing for sure is that the system will not get better under the Liberal Party.
commented 2015-12-22 19:15:48 -0500
The Golden Calf of the Canadian political landscape; health care. I know several people who work in health care and even they shake their head at the waste that happens in our hospitals. I don’t know the answers on this one since I’ve lived in Canada all my life and have always looked from the inside out, but I would certainly like the whole system audited and options and recommendations made in a non-partisan manner.
commented 2015-12-22 15:59:35 -0500
Great segment! My father in law had prostate cancer years ago, and got in line, Canadian style. His two brothers had prostate cancer at the same time. They went to the USA and had it dealt with quickly. They lived, my father in law died. I just finished waiting for a year and half to see an orthopaedic surgeon for double hip replacement surgery. Once I saw the ortho he said it would be at least another six months or more…so two years minimum from first referral. In desperation I began looking for some alternative. Our Cdn. dollar is so low, the idea of going to the USA seemed out of reach. I finally found a private clinic in Laval, Que. I got in within a few weeks, and had both hips done. The care was so much better than a public hospital and they pride themselves in excellence. I would mortgage my house if need be to get care for loved ones. I will not wait for them to die in the Cdn. system! No one is even talking about fixing things…I anticipate that the boomers will just be lined up and euthanized when we become too expensive and the health care system buckles into an even worse mess!
commented 2015-12-22 15:04:17 -0500
Thanks Rebel staff, please keep the Crowder segments. As an ex-pat maybe he would be willing to join the team. He and Gavin can highlight the problems within both systems
commented 2015-12-22 14:23:20 -0500
Hi Steven, Gavino, love watching both of you guys. I had a triple bypass when I was 29, steel rod in my ankle tonsils out as a kid. I did not wait, don’t know if its because the situation was dire or maybe their trying to keep me alive to be tortured by life. I do agree with you, why can’t private and public both exist at the same time or maybe a different system. Why does Canada insist on sticking to socialist medicine what’s the worst that could happen? You’d move up ten spaces in line because there is competition and some would go elsewhere for treatment. Come one it’s not like income tax will go down so cut the time frame down with choice, oh wait Canada is not about choice.
commented 2015-12-22 10:17:15 -0500
Hey Steven, ACA is a big insurance party AND a big blotus union invasion of the workforce.

ACA is a huge winner for unions.
commented 2015-12-22 09:59:44 -0500
Line up and die Canada. All those fucking taxes to line up and die and overpay union lumps to stand around and appear as they are doing something useful.

And with Rube Trudeau running the gongshow in Ottawa, line up and die will one become more pervasive.

Good job voting liberal all you dickhead Canadians – and when one of your family members dies because of line up and die, it’s your fault!!
commented 2015-12-22 09:29:56 -0500
I’m not watching I know too well how primitive our healthcare system is, I will share this video right now, sure this will be fun and educating. I’ll watch later with a cold beer.m Hey!