November 04, 2015

Grand Cache Coal lays off 220 more workers in second round of cuts

Sheila Gunn ReidRebel Commentator
 

The war on coal claimed another 220 casualties in Alberta on Tuesday.

Grande Cache Coal is closing and with that 220 people are losing their jobs right before Christmas. This is actually the second round of layoffs this year. In February the mine laid off 175 workers when it suspended surface mining operations. That’s almost 400 people losing their jobs in a town with a population of just a little over 4,000. This is devastating.

But that’s not the whole story. Grande Cache is an oil patch town and this year the rigs are gone. These layoffs add insult to injury.

This was Notely's promise. She promised a move away from coal. She's even surrounded herself with people like Brian Topp who feel the same way.

And what about the coal miner's union? Well, they're understandably mad about the layoffs. Maybe they'll think twice next time before throwing their support behind political parties who are in bed with radical environmentalists.

Or maybe not.

 

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commented 2015-11-05 19:26:50 -0500
It is a Chinese owned company, I understand they have shut down because they have a stockpile of coal in china now. This is steel melting coal by the way, not meant for heating a home.
commented 2015-11-05 17:39:35 -0500
This may not be the NDP contribution. Taking to a friend in mining, this same thing is happening in Saskatchewan, coal mines laying off, and also closing until the summer, or closing, it is all part of a wider move away from coal, be environmentalist driven, or economics?. I am no friend of the NDP, but this particular comment, needs wider investigation, there is a bigger loss in Saskatchewan with a good Provincial Government.
commented 2015-11-05 15:51:20 -0500
i wonder if the car factories here in ontario are shopping for real estate in anticipation for the next McWynty budget?
commented 2015-11-05 11:18:25 -0500
Andrew said, “and it’s easily achievable with rooftop panels even in December.”

Then go do it. Spend the money and go do it, and if you can honestly say that roof top panels can supply your entire house all year around and all times of the day AND can say you have saved money based upon power from the grid, then I will congratulate you. However, I have not only done all the study, I know several people that did just what you are saying, and not only did they spend far more than they got back, but the power was intermittent and they had to draw from the grid even with a large battery bank. Just don’t expect me through government subsidies to pay for your home solar power system.
commented 2015-11-05 10:44:58 -0500
" You’re right, Grande Cache Coal mines coking coal – needed if you’re going to turn iron ore into pig iron or steel. "

So, the logical question to ask revolves around global steel production, which is down sharply since it’s intimately tied to Chinese demand, which is in free-fall as their speculative bubbles burst.

@peter, I have done my research. Payback time even in Manitoba, which is probably the worst case combination of extreme climate and cheap power, is about 15 years. The math is better pretty much anywhere else. I know how much power I use, and it’s easily achievable with rooftop panels even in December.
commented 2015-11-05 09:37:09 -0500
notley could really care less, she has no clue what she is doing, the best we get from her is she expressed concern, WOW I BET THE 50 OOO WHO LOST THERE JOBS ARE SO HAPPY SHE HAS EXPRESSED CONCERN. She and her party will go down in history as the most incompetent bumbling fools in all alberta history
commented 2015-11-05 09:35:14 -0500
RICHARD BARIL i burn wood as well our farm has a large wood lot, and i use an outdoor boiler, its the only thing the NEW DEPRESSION PARTY CANNOT TAX, like many others we will find ways to barter trade whaqt ever but rest assured we will keep notley out of our wallets one way or another
commented 2015-11-05 09:16:52 -0500
Prince Knight – the question isn’t whether Sheila knows this, it’s whether Notley knows this. You’re right, Grande Cache Coal mines coking coal – needed if you’re going to turn iron ore into pig iron or steel. Much like the NDP doesn’t know how cheap power affects the lives of the poor, they don’t know how cheap metals (particularly steel) are needed to build everything in our society. Raise the cost of the metals and the poor can’t afford things anymore. Lower the value of the dollar and the price of everything we buy increases (because manufacturers here face higher costs to buy raw materials, and imported goods get more expensive to buy directly).

Coal has a higher energy density than wood or natural gas. Oil is higher still, if I remember correctly. Less dense forms of energy require more (and more expensive) energy collection to get the same kilowatt-hours. Our ancestors didn’t stop using wind to mill because they ran our of wind – they stopped using it because it wasn’t dependable enough and didn’t always get the job done.
commented 2015-11-05 02:32:38 -0500
Albertans, don’t let the the Notley wrecking crew destroy your province. Resist the NDP destroyers! Save Alberta!
commented 2015-11-05 01:50:53 -0500
Andrew they use private money to do it, not tax money.
commented 2015-11-04 22:16:24 -0500
Near a billion have no electricy at all. That means no cell phone. Coal is actually the major source of energy for an incredible number of people. Africa is totally different than Ontario. Do a little research about energy. You need it. I suggest Alex Epstein power hour.
commented 2015-11-04 21:22:44 -0500
Andrew said, "it’s actually cheaper to provide each house with a solar panel, a battery, and some LEDs than build centralized generation and wires. "

You have not done your research, Andrew.

1) “A” (one) solar panel would not run much more that a few lights, and one battery would drain so fast as to not be useful.
2) The equipment is very expensive.

Do you research … honest research into how much an average household uses per hour in energy and how many solar panels it would take to provide power, and then how many batteries it would take to run that household for all the dark hours. Now, calculate the cost. It is NOT cheaper.
commented 2015-11-04 21:17:17 -0500
“Andrew wireless phones are highly toxic and you still need cables to rout the info to the general area, wifi range has not come that far.”
Many cell phone towers, particularly in rural/remote areas, use microwave relays. Those are those “drums” you see mounted to the towers. “And sorry but it is not cheaper, where the hell do you get that BS from?”

The fact that they’re doing it because it’s cheaper? “And sorry but a solar panel does not make that much power.

How much power do you need? You can generate a couple KWH a day with a square metre of panels. I use about 10kwh a day in winter, depending on whether I leave the car plugged in or not. That’s 3 sq. M. “Are you saying Ontario is doing things cheaply?”

No idea. I don’t live in Ontario.

" You need to get away from fantasyland. Private money building wires does not cost us anything , government subsidized green fantasies costs us billions."
Private contractors don’t build things for free. That money comes from somewhere. Fantasies can be wasteful, indeed, but renewables are not in that category. I pay 7.7 cents per kwh for green and rewewable power, while just to the west, they pay 12.6 for conventional, “cheap” coal fired power.
commented 2015-11-04 21:15:57 -0500
PK, the NDP want all coal shut down. It makes no difference where it is burned. War on coal? Yup!
commented 2015-11-04 20:11:41 -0500
A TRUE alternative to coal is gas, but the green lunatics hate that as well because they cannot get rich off of it while making the rest of us poor.
commented 2015-11-04 20:10:47 -0500
Prince Knight that coal burns and pollutes as well.
commented 2015-11-04 20:10:01 -0500
Andrew wireless phones are highly toxic and you still need cables to rout the info to the general area, wifi range has not come that far. And sorry but it is not cheaper, where the hell do you get that BS from? And sorry but a solar panel does not make that much power. Are you saying Ontario is doing things cheaply? You need to get away from fantasyland. Private money building wires does not cost us anything , government subsidized green fantasies costs us billions.
commented 2015-11-04 19:51:57 -0500
Sheila Gunn Reid — you ARE aware that the coal mined from Grande Cache is not the kind used for heating residences or for generating power. This is coking coal, used for smelting, and no other purpose. It is primarily shipped across the Pacific. War on coal? Bullshit.
commented 2015-11-04 18:54:09 -0500
Remember the pictures we would see from the old USSR , people standing in long lines, well that will be us in a few months if we don’t over throw this bitch.
commented 2015-11-04 18:43:02 -0500
:Cheap, plentiful energy is what reduces poverty and climate related deaths. Not solar panels and battery powered cars"

Much like how the developing world went directly from no telephones to ubiquitous cell phones without going through the wired phone stage, it’s actually cheaper to provide each house with a solar panel, a battery, and some LEDs than build centralized generation and wires. We have a hundred years of infrastructure, they have little, and it’s difficult to overestimate how much it would cost to build that all from scratch, so if the technology exists to bypass the “wired” intermediate step, they will.
commented 2015-11-04 18:08:26 -0500
Each step in the elimination of cheap, plentiful energy is an expansion of the 230000 who die of poverty each day and the near billion who live without electricity. It is time to start being true humanitarians. Cheap, plentiful energy is what reduces poverty and climate related deaths. Not solar panels and battery powered cars Science matters. So does math and basic logic.
commented 2015-11-04 17:53:14 -0500
Glenn Craig, I know that my parents used to look for farmers clearing some land and burning the bush and would ask the farmer if they can go in and take some wood. Most farmers were happy to let them do it as long as they stayed out of the farmer’s way. Maybe it’s different where you live, but that is one possibility for cheap firewood.
commented 2015-11-04 17:52:04 -0500
That will be the end of the town of Grande Cache. Destroying and wiping out rural Alberta is what the NDP promised. Which is why the majority of rural Albertan’s voted against the NDP. Just the majority of Albertan’s voted against the NDP and they got in anyway.
commented 2015-11-04 17:23:28 -0500
Richard Baril…I too burn wood…they intend to carbon tax that as well. In order to drive a Prius I would have had to pave my lane with asphalt that would have cost more than my Jeep. My electricity is generated by burning Venesuelan bunker C…which will be carbon taxed.

There was a firewood shortage this year caused by record snowfall preventing wood lot owners from harvesting. Price went up…
commented 2015-11-04 17:04:24 -0500
Charles, tell us how you really feel. Lol.
You realize that a large number of Union “Pukes” work in the private sector right? Some big companies like Telus or CN use Unionized employees. Those are private sector companies (just because they’re publicly traded doesn’t make them public sector…).
No system is 100% great. Unionized or un-unionized. There are flaws with both.

However, it’s attitudes like yours that are a big problem. There are lots of hard working union employees (I don’t belong to a Union). But lumping them all together because some bad eggs benefit from Unions isn’t helping.
Some unions do some good work. Some unions are terrible. Just like some employees do good work, and some employees are terrible. There’s no shortage of lazy, useless, stupid people in the private sector.
commented 2015-11-04 17:00:40 -0500
ndrew, you do not listen very well. Sheila did not blame the February layoff on Notley. Talk about cognitive dissonance.
commented 2015-11-04 16:57:20 -0500
Richard Baril said, "6-8 cords of wood "

That much? My parents used 2-3 cords, but that was to heat 1600 sq. ft.
commented 2015-11-04 16:00:17 -0500
Notely’s brain, just like her knickers, is twisted.
commented 2015-11-04 15:43:31 -0500
“This was Notely’s promise”
" In February the mine laid off 175 workers "
No cognitive dissonance with this one? Not even a little bit?