July 06, 2015

Greece: NDP Niki Ashton's tweet shows she doesn't understand "democracy" or "austerity"

Rebel Staff
 

NDP MP Niki Ashton tweet about the Greek referendum results was echoed by socialists around the globe: "NO to austerity! YES to democracy!"

The harsh truth is that Greece lives beyond its means and wants still more money from its EU neighbours, with no strings attached.

That's socialism, all right, but as Margaret Thatcher said, "Socialism works until you run out of other people's money."



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commented 2015-07-08 17:29:05 -0400
Not to mention that she looks to be about 14-years old.
commented 2015-07-08 17:09:54 -0400
She is an NDPee person, incapable of understanding anything.
commented 2015-07-08 13:20:26 -0400
“They were an elite oligarchy that sold their people down the river for personal perks” . . . . correct Richard ! ! !
Just like the Socialists in France, Spain and Ontar-i-owe . . . . and much like the “party members” in the old Soviet Union . . . who lived large while the population did without.
Socialism is just So 20th Century Richard . . . killed 10s of millions and was a complete failure ! ! !
commented 2015-07-08 13:17:09 -0400
Richard . . . the Greek situation is the result of decades of SOCIALISM ! ! ! Fact ! ! !
Austerity is not a disease Richard . . . it is what happens when you RUN OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES’ MONEY ! ! !
Even today . . . the Greek population think that the World should come to their rescue because no thinking person would borrow them a Thin Dime.
Looking at the World through your Rose Colored NDP glasses is laughable.
commented 2015-07-07 16:03:11 -0400
@marty ASHFIELD The Greek government you speak of, that created this mess wasn’t socialist. They were an elite oligarchy that sold their people down the river for personal perks, and sold them promises that were well known could never be kept in a bid by the oligarchs to secure more power thru the Euro.

This is an issue of a close-knit oligarchy – not “socialism”. It is no different than how the PC of Alberta constantly made promises they knew could never be kept to maintain their own power. Re-read the link, and you’ll see that Yannis does blame the old Greek government. He called it an oligarchy.
commented 2015-07-07 15:59:24 -0400
@peter NETTERVILLE What destroys economies is ponzi-conomies like the euro, where governments must borrow their currency from a private entity. Greece has no choice but to borrow at compound interest because they can not issue euro’s themselves hence why their liquidity crunch may lead to an exit of the Eurozone – because they will have to print currency which could only be the Drachma. So again, no, it has nothing to do with Socialism. Greece got rid of it’s socialist policies long ago it is now stuck under neoliberal mafia loan sharks. That is the problem.
commented 2015-07-07 15:55:23 -0400
Sorry correction: $300 billion*.
commented 2015-07-07 15:54:30 -0400
@dale Warren: The Greeks were already under crippling austerity, as I pointed out. The pensions you quote are long gone now and have nothing to do with the core issue. I’m going to guess you didn’t read the link I provided either which explains in detail the situation Greece is in. Greece’s situation has NOTHING to do with socialism, or do you think that their pensions total nearly $3billion in unpaid liabilities? Your inability to even address a fraction of the points in my comment show you’re just as clueless as Ezra blinded by false ideology of “conservatism”, when in reality several of Greece’s governments have been right or centre-right. This crisis is beyond any government.
commented 2015-07-07 12:17:37 -0400
@richard Fantin . . . . “Greece’s situation has nothing to do with “socialism” and the crisis was well under way before the “leftist” SYRIZIA government took power.” ? ? ?

Greece has had DECADES of Socialism . . . What do you call retirement at 50? One of the Highest % of population working for the Govt? Tax evasion and corruption . . . . ALL Hallmarks of Socialism, just like Ontar-i-owe here in Canada.

What do you do Richard when you run out of Money before you run out of Month? That is “austerity” ! ! !
commented 2015-07-07 09:50:20 -0400
In other words, No to prosperity, yes to Welfare.
commented 2015-07-07 00:31:03 -0400
The Greeks are acting like the Roma. . Would you lend them money?
commented 2015-07-06 23:46:53 -0400
“I cannot understand how the socialists here in Canada and the US can see what is happening in all the other socialist countries and still want it here. Are they daft?” I don’t think they care. It’s all about power, and power over the “peasants”.
commented 2015-07-06 23:43:23 -0400
I posted a comment on Lauren Southern’s article on safe spaces. I wandered so far off topic in that post, that it fits well here. If the next generation doesn’t change it’s ways, we won’t be far behind Greece. Here’s the post:

Lauren Southern, I don’t know what else you expected. Universities stopped being places for the free exchange of ideas a long time ago, back in the early 60s I think. When so many students attend Universities with the idea of being students in perpetuity, going after degrees that have absolutely nothing to do with contributing to the well being and infrustructer of society, the continued existance of that society is inevitably going to be threatened.

Some day those students are going to have to graduate, or at least leave that University, and make it on their own…. presumably when Mummy and Daddy’s money runs out. Then they’re going to find that there are not a whole lot of high paying jobs for Marxist Sociologists or experts in Women’s studies.

In the mean time, Universities will continuie to be high priced day care centers for young adults, were they learn to party irresponsibly, and learn that the world owes them a living. This indoctrination comes at the hands of liberal Athiest Marxist Professors who impress upon their students that they are victims of Capitalists and big Government; that they have the right to the fruits of other peoples labor, because those who work to build western civilization are exploiters of the masses.

What is going to happen when those who supply the raw material, who build the roads, who build the houses and buildings, who grow the food and bring it to market all get old and retire, or die off? Then it’s going to be these former students who have learned much about “rights” but nothing about corresponding responsibilties, who are going to have to tough it out on their own, and they won’t be prepared.

Rights do not exist minus corresponding responsibilities. If one has the “right” to something, presumably someone else has an obligation or responsibility to supply it. Government can’t supply it. Government gets its money from taxation. Taxes are paid by working people. If everyone’s primary education is in a field of study for which there is no demand, no one will be working, so there will be no tax revenue. All we need to do is look to Greece.

I’ve wandered a little off topic here, but the point I’m trying to make is, take look at the mindset of those you are trying to enlighten. Their endoctrination runs deep and I’m sure you’re familiar with the Biblical phrase “casting pearls before swine”. Safe spaces are important, so I would suggest recruiting like minded people and getting to work setting up those safe spaces yourselves. Leave the Athiest Liberal Marxist students run their agenda and you run yours. You’re not going to change them, so why bother trying?

That was my post. See any parallels to what’s happening in Greece?
commented 2015-07-06 23:09:47 -0400
The only reason Mulclair is still high in the poles is because he has not been up front by letting the people of Canada know the cost of everything he wants to implement. Can you imagine the cost of his Day Care Program!! It will be in the billions. Premier Notley probably won’t bring her budget down in Alberta till after the October Federal election because her spending went about 1 billion over. A speaker on TV said Mulclair will tell her to keep it quiet till after the Federal election so it will not make Mulclair look bad. What dishonesty on the NDP part! They are planning dishonesty before they even get more power.
commented 2015-07-06 23:09:46 -0400
The only reason Mulclair is still high in the poles is because he has not been up front by letting the people of Canada know the cost of everything he wants to implement. Can you imagine the cost of his Day Care Program!! It will be in the billions. Premier Notley probably won’t bring her budget down in Alberta till after the October Federal election because her spending went about 1 billion over. A speaker on TV said Mulclair will tell her to keep it quiet till after the Federal election so it will not make Mulclair look bad. What dishonesty on the NDP part! They are planning dishonesty before they even get more power.
commented 2015-07-06 23:09:46 -0400
The only reason Mulclair is still high in the poles is because he has not been up front by letting the people of Canada know the cost of everything he wants to implement. Can you imagine the cost of his Day Care Program!! It will be in the billions. Premier Notley probably won’t bring her budget down in Alberta till after the October Federal election because her spending went about 1 billion over. A speaker on TV said Mulclair will tell her to keep it quiet till after the Federal election so it will not make Mulclair look bad. What dishonesty on the NDP part! They are planning dishonesty before they even get more power.
commented 2015-07-06 22:47:44 -0400
The EU elitist experiment has failed. Time for it to collapse, for nation states to become independent again, for nations to trade with one another in peace. Enough with inequity ruled by bureaucratic bullies. Greece needs to retake control.

This is an interesting take: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ksb-pFW0R9w
commented 2015-07-06 22:43:30 -0400
“Greece’s situation has nothing to do with “socialism” and the crisis was well under way before the “leftist” SYRIZIA government took power.”

An excellent comment which exemplifies how socialists are incapable of recognizing what socialism is and how socialism destroys economies.
commented 2015-07-06 22:32:07 -0400
Richard Fantin, I read the link that you posted and ended up shaking my head. It is well written, however all the author (and you by your comment) do is exonerate Greece of any culpability in its financial downfall. There is no way that Greece can sit back and blame all of this on Germany, USA, Wall street and even its own banks. This did not happen over night as the author of the article and you point out, so what happened to the Greek government who are supposed to manage the country and its finances?
All they have done for years is spend over their GDP. They have never been able to collect taxes properly and so on and so on and so on.
Socialists hoping everyone will come to their aid, over and over and over again.
So jump all over Ezra if you want, but what he said made sense.
commented 2015-07-06 21:05:11 -0400
Mulcair would spend Canada into oblivion and Justin … well, there is room for rent between those ears of his.
commented 2015-07-06 20:54:02 -0400
Wake up Canada. Mulcair is proposing to put us in the same path as Greece. How is it possible that he is doing well in the polls? NDP = lower tax revenues(despite higher tax rates)=More borrowing=lower credit rating=more debt. Greece is living proof that this ideology does not work.
commented 2015-07-06 20:52:25 -0400
I understand that Niki is in line to be the NDP finance minister.
commented 2015-07-06 19:54:50 -0400
I don’t care who the hell is in power, you keep spending well over your gdp you go broke. The Greeks are well known for dodging taxes, it’s a national past time.
And if your government is foolish enough to fall for Ponzi schemes well who’s fault is that
commented 2015-07-06 19:25:28 -0400
You know, Kenneth, I think socialism is a high contagious diseased mindset. I cannot understand how the socialists here in Canada and the US can see what is happening in all the other socialist countries and still want it here. Are they daft?
commented 2015-07-06 18:04:28 -0400
Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal are to Europe as Ontario, Quebec and the Maritime provinces are to Canada. They produce little and live on money leeched from the jurisdictions that do produce. We will be pulled down by our socialist provinces just as Europe is being pulled down by Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal.
commented 2015-07-06 17:57:31 -0400
“With no strings attached”? Except they’ve already implemented crippling austerity.

The “money” as in the bad unsustainable loans Europe forced down Greece’s throat (during the last government, not SYRIZIA) never made it to the Greek people. They were used to repay other European banks, particularly Germany. Also the money Greece’s banks (not the government) require is to ensure there isn’t a complete collapse of liquidity. Ezra has no ideas what the hell he’s talking about with Greece, and completely ignores all of the other players in the game including Wall Street.

If you want to read an actual informed piece on the situation in Greece, and actually understand what is truly happening as opposed to the ideological drivel Ezra spews constantly have a look at this piece written by Yannis Varoufakis himself: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2012/01/europes-greek-moment/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

Greece’s situation has nothing to do with “socialism” and the crisis was well under way before the “leftist” SYRIZIA government took power. How people can take Ezra’s stupid drivel as intelligent discussion is beyond me, the guy doesn’t know the first thing about global economics or the geopolitics at play and can barely pass off pretending he does. What an idiot.
commented 2015-07-06 15:47:37 -0400
You’re partly wrong, Ezra.

This IS democracy. They voted for this!

This also highlights a major problem with democracy—the tendency toward short-term thinking (politicians don’t have dynasties in the same sense that, say, monarchies do), with peoples racking up debt like mad. This has been known in political philosophy for millennia:

ALMOST half the world’s population now lives in a democracy, according to the Economist Intelligence Unit, a sister organisation of this newspaper. And the number of democracies has increased pretty steadily since the second world war. But it is easy to forget that most nations have not been democratic for much of their history and that, for a long time, democracy was a dirty word among political philosophers.

“One reason was the fear that democratic rule would lead to ruin. Plato warned that democratic leaders would ‘rob the rich, keep as much of the proceeds as they can for themselves and distribute the rest to the people’. James Madison, one of America’s founding fathers, feared that democracy would lead to ‘a rage for paper money, for an abolition of debts, for an equal division of property and for any other improper or wicked projects’. Similarly John Adams, the country’s second president, worried that rule by the masses would lead to heavy taxes on the rich in the name of equality. As a consequence, ‘the idle, the vicious, the intemperate would rush into the utmost extravagance of debauchery, sell and spend all their share, and then demand a new division of those who purchased from them.’ ”

http://www.economist.com/node/21561932
commented 2015-07-06 15:44:42 -0400
Very few like my solutions to government debt, that is because I am not a socialist…. Greece votes no…so…the good news stops with the revolt against servitude. The way forward requires three items, all of which seem rather unlikely with Tsipras and the radical left (Socialist) in charge. What individuals need to understand is that just like Greece, when Socialism runs out of other people’s money, the real problems rear their ugly truth. Too much government and government jobs, with all of its fine benefits, are not sustainable, and you cannot just simply tax your way out. Debt hurts…Most of eastern Canadian provinces should take note, the way out is not easy and requires sacrifice…
1. Reduced public service sector
2. Free market reforms (pensions, work rules, ease in firing, ease in starting a business, retirement age, etc.)
3. Fair, flat tax system …an example; Don’t raise the minimum wage, eliminate all taxes below $25,000.
The only way Greece or any other debt country or province can quickly recover is if it takes steps along those lines. It’s possible, but I highly doubt Greece and any other socialist leaning province will come close to doing what needs to be done.
commented 2015-07-06 15:31:14 -0400
It is not a hard concept to grasp … You can not keep paying out moneys you do not have. You can not expect the other guys and gals to keep “giving” you money because you are unable to live within your financial restrictions. At some point the creditors just say enough is enough, whether on a personal or global level. That is not anti-democracy. Democracy is not expecting others to keep giving you their money and assets, just because you have them and they don’t. That is Socialism/Communism.