January 18, 2016

I came out as a gay conservative in Vancouver. Here's what happened.

James CampbellRebel Columnist
 

Coming out as gay in rural Scotland wasn’t easy, but it was a walk in Stanley Park compared to coming out as a conservative in Vancouver.

That's because Vancouver is liberal -- and the Vancouver gay scene is VERY liberal.

As the flamboyant conservative activist Milo Yiannopoulos tweeted:

"I had no trouble coming out as gay. I had a lot of trouble coming out as a gay conservative."

He wasn’t exaggerating.

When I first arrived in this beautiful city four years ago, I was eager to find my feet and build a new life. And I did: A very wholesome life, with a job, friends, social activities and even a fiancé.

I had been through a messy "coming out" in Scotland, so Canada represented a clean slate for me to be myself. What I didn’t realize is that the slate would need cleaning all over again.

For years, while living in Vancouver, I kept my silence whenever the topic of politics came up. I remained silent while my friends chimed in with the canned laughter as Jon Stewart ridiculed conservatives.

I remained silent when my friends said, "Isn't Justin Trudeau's gender neutral cabinet just awesome?"

I remained silent as my friends talked about how wonderful they were for starting a petition to let more Syrian migrants in.

I remained silent when they talked about opposing BC pipeline construction.

However, little bubbles of resistance inside me gradually coalesced into a foam of frustration.

I began posting articles to Facebook and making comments, pointing out falsehoods and providing alternative sources (like TheRebel.media.)

I was particularly critical of band-wagon liberalism, slacktivism, lazy hashtag campaigns and Facebook-profile-picture-tinters. I told people what I really thought about Justin Trudeau. I began openly expressing my opposition to the invasion of Europe by hundreds of thousands of migrants from the Middle East and North Africa.

Reactions from straight people were fairly hostile. For example, a German friend told me to "be more careful about what I think, let alone what I say" after I posted something about immigration that would have been totally inoffensive to any rational person. A relative told me that the libertarian group I joined on Fcebook was a "cult" and that my family were "concerned for me." A few friends texted me to say they had removed me from Facebook.

Reactions from gay people were considerably more hostile.

I play and coach in a LGBT soccer league. After a game one night I was approached by one of the organizers, who warned me that other members were talking about my comments, "found my views repellent" and that I was "making enemies." I asked him to specify which particular view was so offensive. Apparently it was an anti-Hillary article I posted. I had attacked the queen bee and the hive was responding.

My fiancé’s gay friends pressured him over my views and in turn he applied this pressure to me. He was extremely upset after he found out that one of my favourite books was The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand. His gay friends had persuaded him that only sociopaths could enjoy such a book.

Gay men accused me of having "internalized homophobia" for failing to celebrate with gusto the giant publicity stunt which was marriage equality -- a teaspoon of distraction in exchange for a bucket of freedom.

I was called a sociopath, a psychopath, "cisgendered," right-winger, retard, fascist, arrogant and dangerous. I was even anonymously threatened with violence.

I became self-doubting, paranoid, depressed and anxious. I left my fiancé and refused to socialize for months. I realized I had been ostracized, and I’m sure some of it was almost willingly on my part.

Eventually I emerged however, and more confident than before. The people who really loved me stuck around and those bonds are stronger than ever. I learned to trust my own mind and be honest with others. I had begun to attract new and wonderful people into my life.

Most surprisingly, since I’ve been more vocal about my opinions, I’ve discovered a handful of conservative and libertarian men in the Vancouver gay scene.

Now I know what you’re thinking, surely this shouldn’t have been such a big deal? And you’re right, it wasn’t exactly Galileo and the Inquisition. I’m sure such pressures would have had little effect on someone more confident like Milo Yiannopoulos.

But not everyone has learned those skills yet, and as you can see from my experience, the social pressure can be quite significant.

My advice to anyone in the same position is to remember that any temporary discomfort you experience will be compensated for by a long-term feeling of contentment which you can only get from being yourself.

Now is not the time for conservatives to be quiet, especially gay conservatives. I believe the gay community has immense influence over the direction of cultural progress and gay conservatives and libertarians like me need to come out of the closet and start fighting to take the reins.

After all, we’ve done it once before.

 

 

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commented 2016-01-31 18:41:03 -0500
Dan Mancuso wow your response is just pathetic. Quoting part of a sentence in my post, how edgy. You really are a dumbass
commented 2016-01-26 18:26:54 -0500
JAI LAN ;
To quote you: “… I just don’t think…”
Enough said…
commented 2016-01-25 17:34:07 -0500
Hello James,
I really liked your call with Stefan Molyneux last week. It’s a cool coincidence that I found you on here. I was on the call with Stefan two days before. I really relate to what you were saying. I am trying to organize my thoughts on how I can be both gay and conservative. I would really appreciate the chance to chat.
commented 2016-01-25 01:49:51 -0500
I never had a opinion about gays cuz I’m not gay and I just don’t think about stuff unless it affects me or someone I know directly, and gays don’t usually go around raping and killing people so who cares what they do. I have friends of almost every religion out there and atheists too and none of them give a damn about being gay or not. Hey Dam Mancuso you sound like a fucking psycho. Gays aren’t the ones having sex with kids, animals or dead bodies so stop comparing living adult humans to things that are actually fucked up like pedophiles and shit like that. Your big ass rants are hilarious to read though. I mean, who thinks like that? Nobody in their right mind. Michelle H showed a lot more patience with you than I would have if you were raving at me with your weird ass batshit crazy conspiracy theories about how gays are trying to wipe out all straight people are whatever the hell you were bitching about. Go see a therapist before you end up holed in your room staring at a bunch of mumble jumble shit you pinned up on your wall,
commented 2016-01-20 17:27:26 -0500
MICHELLE H;
Well good luck with your delusion and denial. I actually feel pity for misguided wretches like you. When the SHTF you will be forced to deal with reality and it’s going to be a traumatizing comeuppance…You should have listened to your parents instead of your mentally disordered friends. And since you won’t be reading this, or responding to it – again – Homosexuality is Wrong, and there are about 6,000 years of proof backing that up…compared to the, what, 30 or 40 years of forced social engineering and indoctrination from the liberal left. Some parting advice, reread your posts as you look in the mirror…
commented 2016-01-20 16:14:53 -0500
I never said I was a Christian in my first response. Read my post again. I grew up in a Christian household, and my entire upbringing consisted of church, religious schools, and the Bible. My knowledge of the Christian religion didn’t prevent me from making my own personal choice about remaining religious as soon as I was old enough to comprehend that I had a choice. Wow, way to twist my words, but I’ve come to expect that from you.

You seem completely incapable of understanding that none of your opinions are actually based on facts, only you think they are. You are so obsessed and dead set on your definition of what you consider right or wrong that you reject any and all outside points contradicting the safe little space in your mind that you’ve established for yourself. You accuse me of shutting down the conversation when all you have done is repeat the same absurd claims over and over, choosing to do so using unpleasant and crude language to describe the subject matter of your loathing that would make any rational person realize how futile this discussion is.

I’m not a Liberal, or a Conservative for that matter. I’ve made it clear in my other posts that I’m a Libertarian/Centrist, neutral, open-minded to other views which can’t be said about either the hard left OR the hard right. You, sir, are of the extreme far right variety who are just as delusional and thick witted as radical Liberal socialists. You think you won an argument and boastfully announce that those who have given up on having a normal and productive conversation with you are “taking their ball and going home.” The fact is that you’ve made it impossible to rationally discuss anything given the strange and borderline psychotic ramblings of your posts. My mistake was ever engaging in a conversation with you in the first place with the naive hope that you could be a reasonable person to have a civilized debate with. My bad.

Up until now, I was nothing but respectful of your points of view during our discussion despite how exasperated I actually felt by your bizarre insistence that people engaging in same sex relationships with other consenting adults, (sad how I have to keep pointing that fact out to you), are demonic beings who’s evil agenda is to somehow destroy the world with their gayness, though in reality their private relationships have no negative impact on you or others. However, you have made no such effort to respect my points and continue with your arrogant, smug, and scornful remarks about how you’re right and everyone who doesn’t share your intense hatred for gays are wrong. Funny how you refer to homosexuality as a mental illness when it’s apparent to any logical minded person reading your rants who the real mentally ill one is. Like I said, I’m not qualified to help you with your many problems, or diagnose you, but I do recognize the symptoms you’re exhibiting and I hope you get the help you need. When or if you do, I believe you’ll finally realize gays are not the enemy. Yes there are those in this world who are out to get you and would gladly kill you for your religious beliefs, but it isn’t gay people. Maybe one day you’ll come to your senses and get your priorities straight.

This will be my last post to you, and I will not read anymore of your responses to me. It’s completely pointless to debate someone who has already claimed victory and won’t be convinced otherwise, and I won’t be wasting anymore of my time with a legitimate bigot, (and that’s exactly what you are). Go ahead and think you won this imaginary argument you thought we were having. Go ahead and say I took my ball and went home. I will move on to something more worthy of my time and attention, hopefully something enlightening and positive, while you remain behind wallowing in your bitterness and negativity.
commented 2016-01-20 12:31:18 -0500
MICHELLE H;
Aha! So now the truth comes out…In your first response, you made it pretty clear that you are a Christian and not a liberal – then it turns out you are not a Christian and all your points are liberal points…Lets just break down what you actually are saying…
“Dan, I’ve come to the conclusion after reading through your post that I can’t continue to discuss this with you.” – That’ll be you shutting down the discussion. Or, pulling that typical liberal position of, ‘if you can’t win an argument you take your ball and go home’.
“Sorry, but anything I say to counter your arguments will just turn into a fight because there is no way around saying what I think about your statements without you becoming very offended.” – You accuse me of becoming offended before I have even replied, as you shut down the discussion.
“You claiming I’m using “left” tactics because my opinion doesn’t match yours proves to me you are not willing to listen to alternate points of view in any case, and I am just wasting my time with these posts.” – You accusing me of ‘not willing to listen’ and shutting down the discussion because you not winning is wasting your time. That’ll be that ‘tit for tat’ liberal tactic. And why should I cede anything that hasn’t been properly countered?
“I never tried to censor you or infringe on your freedom of speech like radical Liberals tend to do, I respectfully disagreed with you and stated my own opinions on the matter, but the discussion comes to a dead end when you just keep repeating how right you are, how every argument made to counter yours is invalid, and how whatever you post are facts that can’t be debated.” – You accuse me of shutting down the discussion because I’m maintaining the points of my argument, that you couldn’t counter with your argument – if your argument’s points are invalid, they are invalid whether you believe them to be or not. Your argument was opinion; I backed up my argument with facts.
“Like I’ve already said, you are entitled to freedom of speech, but so are those who don’t agree with your stance and opinions on this subject.” – I never said you couldn’t speak, I said, “Actually, in this present political/legal climate of the enforcement of the forcing of the homosexual agenda on society in general and upon individuals, and with the loss of our free speech rights, I no longer have the freedom to challenge this. There are a litany of court cases and persecutions that clearly proves this out.”
“You seem to have a deeply rooted issue with homosexuality that surpasses simply not agreeing with the gay lifestyle, and that’s not something I’m qualified to help you with.” – My ‘deeply rooted issue’ is not with homosexuality, it is with the homosexual agenda, who has foisted it on my country, to the detriment of my country, and why. All your thinly veiled insinuations aside, I do not need or want your help, thank you very much; I want the evil that has permeated my country – which you so blithely call the “gay lifestyle” – to go away.
“ I’ve met people like you before, and I know that discussing something they feel passionately about is useless as they are not willing to even consider that they could possibly be wrong about a topic they have so much passion for, (or against).” – Oh I’m ‘one of those’ you say, without actually applying the demonizing label. Then you use “useless”, as a way of accusing me of shutting down the discussion as you actually shut it down. Why should I acquiesce to the false orthodoxy imposed on my country and enabled by the easily led automatons who won’t actually debate it?
“I’m going to stop now because I know if I keep going I’ll just get another reply with more Westboro Church style preaching about how I’m wrong, gays are evil, and so on and so on.” – Again you shutting down the discussion and accusing me of that, and insulting me with the blatant accusation of “Westboro Church style preaching”, and also accusing me of calling homosexuals “evil”, when I clearly stated the homosexual agenda was evil.
“No thanks. Life’s too short to waste anymore time with this negativity, so let’s just agree to disagree.” – Again you are shutting down the discussion because you aren’t going to “waste anymore(sic) time with this negativity” – as you run off with your ball.
Sorry, but I don’t do that ‘agree to disagree’ BS. There is right and there is wrong, and no amount of liberal muddying of the waters will change that fact, and that fact is greater than you and I.
So thank you for an opportunity to illustrate how the liberal left ‘discusses’ things…
commented 2016-01-20 04:34:00 -0500
Dan, I’ve come to the conclusion after reading through your post that I can’t continue to discuss this with you. Sorry, but anything I say to counter your arguments will just turn into a fight because there is no way around saying what I think about your statements without you becoming very offended. You claiming I’m using “left” tactics because my opinion doesn’t match yours proves to me you are not willing to listen to alternate points of view in any case, and I am just wasting my time with these posts. I never tried to censor you or infringe on your freedom of speech like radical Liberals tend to do, I respectfully disagreed with you and stated my own opinions on the matter, but the discussion comes to a dead end when you just keep repeating how right you are, how every argument made to counter yours is invalid, and how whatever you post are facts that can’t be debated. Like I’ve already said, you are entitled to freedom of speech, but so are those who don’t agree with your stance and opinions on this subject.

You seem to have a deeply rooted issue with homosexuality that surpasses simply not agreeing with the gay lifestyle, and that’s not something I’m qualified to help you with. I’ve met people like you before, and I know that discussing something they feel passionately about is useless as they are not willing to even consider that they could possibly be wrong about a topic they have so much passion for, (or against). I’m going to stop now because I know if I keep going I’ll just get another reply with more Westboro Church style preaching about how I’m wrong, gays are evil, and so on and so on. No thanks. Life’s too short to waste anymore time with this negativity, so let’s just agree to disagree.
commented 2016-01-20 01:06:47 -0500
MICHELLE H;
Thank you for responding. I am very sorry to hear about your falling out of faith, it is not easy being a Christian in today’s world – persecution everywhere…temptation…fear…despair…
I meant the ‘reason’ for Christians being led away from God was obvious. The Bible is the infallible word of God, inspired by God and written by man. Man’s interpretation of the Bible is of course fallible…As you probably know, Satan’s greatest coup is in convincing as many people as he has that he doesn’t exist. I am regularly unsettled by Peter’s three denials…
Just so we understand each other…“An agnostic is one who believes it impossible to know anything about God or about the creation of the universe and refrains from commitment to any religious doctrine.” (wiki) So I assume you still believe in God.
Unfortunately if one proceeds from a false premise one’s argument will be based on that false premise, and since all the evidence, historical, Biblical, medical and bio-chemical science, meta physical/philosophical (Yin/Yang), aesthetics and good old common sense, show clearly that homosexuality is wrong, or unnatural, and the numbers clearly indicate that it is abnormal, and since having completed the genome mapping and no homosexual gene being found, it seems clear homosexuals are NOT born that way. The reason homosexuals choose to be homosexual, well, that’s a very advanced and multi tome’d explanation, but suffice to say ‘recruitment’ through pedophilia plays a dynamic role in this.
Here’s a link to the Homosexual Agenda – it is not satire as claimed by homosexuals and their enablers, and it is evil:
http://www.blessedcause.org/protest/Gay%20Manifesto.htm
Since the agenda of the Fabian Society and socialists in general, is to destroy a society from within, the imposition of the homosexual agenda is merely one plank of that agenda. Granted my use of ‘morally bankrupt and intellectually challenged’ is a pejorative value judgement – but, again, if you are proceeding from a false premise, you are going to condemn or dismiss the truth-value of that statement. Tit for tat, or ‘no I’m not you are’ is an oft used tactic of the left, and invalid.
Homosexuality, and the homosexual agenda, is very harmful to our society, in so many and diverse ways. Tolerance and or enabling of this imposed social disorder by heterosexuals and the force being used by government and the courts, is as destructive as forcing this on our schools and our children, the rampant disease and its costs, the dismantling of the Christian moral principles our country was founded on, the destruction of the family, etc., these are all extremely harmful.
It is not the intolerance of or for homosexuality that is destructive – people need to take responsibility for their own actions and feelings – it’s homosexuality that is destructive to people and society. I am the last person you could ever accuse of “claiming political correctness” – PC is one of the most existential threats to our way of life! Right up there with socialism, Islam and the homosexual agenda.
I’m afraid you are way out in left field saying normal, or heterosexual people are attracted to the same sex…Homosexuality was listed as a mental disorder by the APA (American Psychiatric Association) in their DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual) – until political pressure was brought to bear to have it removed as a mental disorder! It is still a mental disorder, like pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia, or cannibalism. Just because some people think they’re in love with a person of the same sex does not make homosexuality or homosexual marriage sanctioned by the state, OK or normal or natural or acceptable. Making up scenarios of ‘what if’s’ is an invalid and very liberal tactic, and it is invalid. If homosexuals don’t want grief for pushing their sickness in the face of normal people then they should keep it in the privacy of their own homes.
Homosexuality does not occur in the animal kingdom, the ‘twits-retweeting-tripe’ so-called evidence and junk science notwithstanding. Logic dictates: Man was created in God’s image. We are not animals. Evolution is scientific THEORY, not scientific fact – contrary to what is being programmed into our children. We may share some physiological similarities with animals, but thanks to our larger brain mass and higher functions – which do not exist in the animal kingdom – we are not animals, we are human. Animals – lacking those higher functions and larger brain mass – act entirely on instinct – they have no sexuality. Humans do have sexuality. Heterosexuality is a biological imperative, designed to multiply the species. Incorrectly anthropomorphizing animals by assigning them sexuality is invalid, and allows some people to assign homosexual behavior to animals – incorrectly. Therefore, there is no homosexuality in the animal kingdom. God gave us will when he created man, the choice to do the right thing or the wrong thing. Therefore choice is the most relevant thing in this debate!
What consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes – mostly – only affects them, like when they have to explain their choices to God. But they haven’t left it in the privacy of their own homes, have they!?
Actually, in this present political/legal climate of the enforcement of the forcing of the homosexual agenda on society in general and upon individuals, and with the loss of our free speech rights, I no longer have the freedom to challenge this. There are a litany of court cases and persecutions that clearly proves this out. I am not contemptuous of homosexuals – I pity the poor wretches – as for people’s feelings being hurt, they need to take responsibility for their own feelings if their feelings are being hurt by someone expressing an obvious truth. They are the ones choosing to be homosexual, and choosing to be so offensively public about it and choosing to persecute those of us who object – along with the morally bankrupt and intellectually challenged enablers, aiders and abettors!
I am not condemning anyone, God is. Nature is. Medical science is. Homosexuals are condemning themselves.
You say; “That’s probably all that many gay men and women are asking for. You don’t have to accept their lifestyle to accept them as human beings deserving of the same respect and fair treatment as everyone else.”
You’re so wrong. They are forcing this degeneracy on people. I do not have to accept their degenerate lifestyle and sickness; I do not have to accept anything about these mentally disordered people who make a wrong choice to act against God, Nature and mankind and who actively force it on everyone else. Respect is earned and you cannot force respect.
commented 2016-01-19 22:29:13 -0500
Excellent article! Everyone should read it…right and left! Good job, Mr. Campbell!
I care more that someone is a conservative than I do that someone is gay. I welcome both, with the understanding that I won’t shove my conservative views down a liberal’s throat if they won’t shove their views down mine. Oh…wait… they don’t work like that! It’s their way or no way, which is why the reaction to Mr. Campbell’s coming-out was so extreme. I’ve never understood why it’s ok for them to have their perspectives but it isn’t ok for conservatives to have theirs. It’s quite a shame, esp. in this instance. I think they’re missing out on the opportunity to have a bright young man as a friend.
commented 2016-01-19 19:35:56 -0500
Dan Mancuso: I have to respectfully disagree with you. The interpretation of certain Bible verses is not as obvious as you think. Individual Christians will see things differently than you depending on their personal views. As for me being led astray from the truth by Satan, well, considering I’m no longer a Christian, I don’t believe Satan is dictating the thoughts and actions of myself, or anyone else for that matter. Just to be clear, my personal reasons for turning away from Christianity have nothing to do with negative feelings for Christians. I consider myself an agnostic, trying to stay on more neutral ground like I used to with politics until the Liberals went hard left.

You claim that in your original comment you were careful to relate only facts and rely on logic, reason, and common sense, yet what you think of as fact, logic, and common sense can indeed be countered with valid arguments. Let’s put aside religious views for a moment and take a few non-religious examples from your original post:
“The homosexual agenda is evil and enabled by socialists and other intellectually challenged and morally bankrupt people.” This sentence is completely your personal opinion, and there is no valid evidence that it’s anything but. Who are you to say that people who support homosexuality are socialists, intellectually challenged, and morally bankrupt? I could make those exact same claims about you and others I disagree with, anyone could. Tolerance for gays is not harmful to others, but intolerance for gays is definitely harming gays. I recommend to you this movie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayers_for_Bobby which is based on the real life story of a young gay man who was unable to cope with his extremely religious mother’s disdain for his lifestyle. This is only one of many tragedies that seem to have stemmed from society’s intolerance for homosexuality, as well as the lack of support for gays at that time which thankfully has changed. My point is in cases where real and actual harm is being done, you can’t just brush it off by claiming political correctness like you can with “Islamophobia” (since in that case it’s Islam doing the harm).
More from your post: “Homosexuality is a mental disorder. Homosexuality is unnatural and abnormal.” Again, based on your opinion, and unfortunately you don’t seem to want to look deeper than that. It’s absolutely normal to be attracted to the body of a fully grown adult of both sexes. I can find other women attractive, though I’m not interested in having a relationship with them since the connection isn’t there. I can only feel that connection with men, as I am heterosexual. Gay men and women feel that same connection with members of their own gender, as they are homosexual. You can’t deny the connection of a couple in love and the personal happiness they share with each other because it’ll still be there. Think about this for a moment, how would you feel if you, as a consenting adult, weren’t allowed to be romantically involved with another consenting adult who feels the same way about you? How would you like it if you couldn’t go out in public with the person you love and hold their hand without being verbally or even physically attacked? Sadly this is something many gay couples have to endure.
You said “Homosexuality does NOT occur in the animal kingdom.” Actually it does: http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/so-it-turns-out-giraffes-are-gayest-animal-planet231014/#gs.FqN56LM
“Homosexuality is a choice, you’re NOT born that way.” I’ve always wondered why this is even relevant in debates about homosexuality. Why do gays have to justify their lifestyle whether it was their choice, or whether they were born that way? Their private lives don’t affect others, and it’s simply not anyone else’s business.
“If I am demonized with labels for thinking for myself and expressing what I think, which in this case is absolutely correct – and I don’t care if anyone’s feelings are hurt by the truth.” You are entitled to freedom of speech, just as other people are entitled to disagree with you. Please don’t think I’m demonizing you by challenging your claims and stating my own. I do find it a little strange that you say you don’t care if you hurt anyone’s feelings, yet if you believe homosexuality is a mental illness, why be so contemptuous towards gays if you think they can’t help being that way?

Again, I’m not trying to demonize anyone for thinking differently, just putting in my two cents. I’ve read a few comments here from people who don’t support the gay lifestyle, but won’t condemn the actual person for it either. That’s probably all that many gay men and women are asking for. You don’t have to accept their lifestyle to accept them as human beings deserving of the same respect and fair treatment as everyone else.
commented 2016-01-19 16:34:38 -0500
James : congratulations on you escape from the PC Gulag – the PC ghetto where they hold all minority group stereotypes hostage – welcome to the free world outside the prison of PC dogmatism.
commented 2016-01-19 15:25:52 -0500
Well at the least this article has exposed some interesting commentary…
In my original comment I was very careful to relate only the facts. I like to rely on fact, logic, reason, common sense and moral absolutes to back up my arguments. Facts, all supportable by valid, verifiable evidence. I defy anyone to try and counter any of the facts I used, with a valid argument. You won’t be able to because it doesn’t exist. The ‘twits retweeting tripe’ kind of so-called evidence, is not valid. Supposition, should-be’s and demonization of the messenger, etc. are not valid either – and I’ve had them all thrown at me in the past, for daring to stand up and express these solid truths.
I assume this article by James Campbell was published by THEREBEL in aid of Ezra’s ‘Rebuild the Right’, much needed campaign. Fine, the more votes for a conservative government the better…Here’s another fact. According to the CDC in Atlanta, one to three percent of people are homosexual. I don’t know what the percentage of homosexuals are that are conservative or will vote conservative – it’s likely miniscule, and this based on the information put forth by James Campbell, so that would make the total percentage of conservative voting homosexuals in Canada, well, less than the margin of error of plus or minus percentage points in any poll. Quite frankly those extremely low numbers do not legitimize the disrepute of having homosexuals publicly voicing support for conservatives.
I did fail to mention in my original comment that what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes is their own business. It’s not my business, nor the state’s business – and I don’t want to know. It is between them and God. Just keep it in private, please…
I read almost all of THEREBEL articles and most of the comments. An interesting observation: many of the commenters that comment on most of the articles at THEREBEL are mysteriously absent here, and there are many commenters to this article I do not recognize. New readers are always welcome from a business and debate perspective.
ATOKENCONSERVATIVE: Thank you for sharing your point of view also, but you fall into the trap of attempting to marginalize me with the demonizing label and misnomer “Homophobic” …You are correct in stating, “homophobia is wrong.”, except not for the reason you mean. It’s wrong because it’s a made-up word like all the other ‘-phobia’ demonizing labels designed to shut up and shut down and marginalize legitimate opposition to what is wrong in our society – like the promotion of the homosexual agenda. And I too “will take that into account when reading any further posts from you, in the future, on any and all topics.”
JOHN LANDRY: I wouldn’t say “inherently evil”, I would say mankind is inherently carnal, and yes it does denote our humanity. Adversity and struggle can build character, but how much character can a person have with a mental disorder, especially with one that so defines the person, and so colours their outlook, thoughts and actions, like homosexuality does…It’s considered a mental disorder for a reason – which is not to say that a person with the mental disorder that homosexuality is cannot make some kind of a contribution…
MICHELLE H: Your use of the terms, “confusing, aggression, hatred, anger and intolerance” in your response to my comment, belie the apparent meaning of the rest of your comment. ‘Love the sinner, hate the sin’, absolutely, it’s a Christian imperative. But, if you are as familiar with the Bible as you say you are, you are also familiar with the many references to God’s statements towards homosexuality and other sins – even in the New Testament. And I would go so far as to state that you have been led astray from the truth that the Bible expounds, by Satan and his minions – as so many so-called Christians have been, today…”Curious how people following the same religion can interpret things so differently.” – NO, it’s not “curious” in the least…it’s rather obvious.
SHELDON BERG: I am not sure I understand what you say sometimes, but I certainly read what you say very carefully…My intellectual capacity may be coloured by my lifestyle as a horseman and one of the disenfranchised rural/bush minority, but personally, I feel that has enhanced it…especially considering the first three decades of my life were spent as an urban liberal!
The really great thing about all this is, there is a place to go to openly discuss issues as contentious as this one…
Homosexuality is wrong!
commented 2016-01-19 13:22:41 -0500
Dear Rebel.
Do you understand the concept of your Web chat and comment board? It appears that Posts I made where deleted that do not fit the main stream media’s version of morality but a Traditional Conservative Values. As a Christian and a Conservative with a Opinion I was not aware that the Rebel was about Silencing opinion that is not main stream Liberal.
That Opinion was that Homosexuality is not condoned by The Bible, and I gave chapter and verse. And as a Canadian, I am free to express that opinion. I also talked about the Reverse Bigotry. The only thing that I may have said that may not have been 100% was that it was CBC thumping the story, it was actually TVO a publicly funded Ontario program, not the National public funded one. So, I question why the Rebel was hand in hand with the what I consider a Liberal deficit in morality.

I didn’t create the word Morality and the Liberals nor the Rebel can white wash Sinful behavior by standing over posters to delete their call for sexually moral behavior, or delete them for simply posting their opinion about it. If other opinions are welcome, all should be.
commented 2016-01-19 10:52:14 -0500
“…you’re right but the gay community should be the last to be intolerant of difference in opinion.”

Well, JAMES CAMPBELL, we could make the argument the wolf “should” lie down with the lamb, but there isn’t much chance of that happening any time soon. I just accept the fact that a far too great a chunk of our population is stuffed full of shallow, stupid idiots and there’s piss all I can do about it. And for some inexplicable reason, most of those idiots belong to groups, communities or sectors that are the least equipped to face the gathering storms.
commented 2016-01-19 08:50:59 -0500
The Kelly file made a very important point here: Conservatives reject gays and feminists as essentially LEFTIST…yet there are both conservative feminists and conservative ‘gays’ as well…yet the antagonism against both is very strong in many comments as though both are impossible. I have tried over and over to present this point only to be attacked as if I were a liberal secular and radical feminist (and the abusive language is so monotonous as to prove conservatives can also be linguistically challenged)…thanks for setting this up here and revealing what many conservatives just don’t want to hear…feminism and sexuality are NOT a function of politics.
commented 2016-01-19 02:39:27 -0500
Climatefallacy;
Good post. I wouldn’t describe anything you detected in my earlier post as cognitive dissonance. It is more like a struggle to properly delineate between what I believe to be right and true and still give James Campbell space to be a gay person without losing sight of other common ground. Basically, I am overlooking or tolerating his gayness for the sake of salvaging something more valuable than what might otherwise divide us. James may reciprocate by overlooking my beliefs on how I see homosexuality. I am not sure if that is possible and still have him consider me as a good person?
I think you actually conveyed things nicely with your ‘crack open a beer’ examples. James could very well the same of me and say, he could crack open a beer and one day toast all the narrow minded bigots once they were able to change their minds and hearts.
There are problems with the ‘if one is not harming another’ ethic. It is a relativistic approach to moral questions and I do agree that it has considerable practical value in many ways. Unfortunately, it is a very dangerous ethic for the greater society if the behaviour is hurting the culture and society at large. Governments cannot regulate morals. Each human being has to wrestle with God and him/herself on these matters. These questions are not trivial because we do not legislate civil or criminal laws. They are too profound and sacred for written statutes. Then again, I might be writing things I have not thought about enough.
commented 2016-01-19 02:03:36 -0500
James Campbell;
We cannot legislate morality in the sense you are referring. Though, we do legislate morality to protect some people in some ways. I don’t think I ever suggested making laws against homosexuality although I believe laws like those existed in the past. That discussion would go too far into the woods for this type of forum.
I guess I was trying to be honest and authentic. I am socially conservative as well as fiscally conservative. I believe in objective moral principles, a transcendent human nature, a necessary being whose reason for his existence is contained within himself (God), I believe in the scientific enterprise but not in a priestly class of scientists who are above scrutiny, I am skeptical but have faith, I believe in Jesus Christ and the superiority of the Christian faith over all other world views, and I fail everyday to live up to the standards of my own convictions and beliefs. I do not think I am a hypocrite for holding convictions that I fail to live up to. I do believe I am a hypocrite when I pretend to be something I am not.
I guess I am saying this to juxtapose my story to yours. I have my own moral tensions and a world view that tries to be coherent and rational in a world of half-truths, bullies, pain, competing ideas, and my own inadequacies. I’m just trying to cut the crap for a brief moment and acknowledge some areas of agreement and commonality. In the end that’s what civil society is really all about. No paper or constitution, or charter, or philosoph, or any other thing can hold the necessary quality that must come from each human being in order to live together in civility. This may in fact be the differentiating characteristic between a liberal and a conservative. The liberal requires a paper to tell him he is good and a conservative must act the part.
commented 2016-01-19 01:10:48 -0500
Excellent article, and it should be a must read for all in the gay community. It points out the fallacy of the so called “inclusive” nature of liberals. Naturally you will have the religious types within the Conservatives who will quote passages and condemn everything to do with the gay community. That’s to be expected, and they are free to do so. I wouldn’t try to silence them, or I would be a hypocrite just like the Liberals. I will just disagree with them and leave it at that. I’m a straight Conservative, who cares not one bit about how someone wishes to live, as long as they don’t involve children, and they don’t expect me to “embrace” their lifestyle. I accept them, but that doesn’t mean I have to become one of them. Just as I don’t expect them to become a red neck gun owning motorcycle rider like me. We have common ground, we are Conservative and agree on over 90% of subject I suspect. That’s good enough for me to shake his hand, buy him a beer, and sit in a bar to gripe about the current Liberals in power as equals.
commented 2016-01-19 00:00:28 -0500
liberals are a nasty piece of work.
commented 2016-01-18 23:52:03 -0500
JAMIE MACMASTER, you’re right but the gay community should be the last to be intolerant of difference in opinion.
commented 2016-01-18 23:19:08 -0500
Why? Why did CBC have to cover this and now the Rebel ,,, Is someone trying to shove this down our throats. Its hard to actually have a conversation or voice my opinion because of the Reverse Bigotry. I also am Conservative and Strait. I consider the gay life etc. a Sin. I could quote the obvious Scriptures, Romans 1:27, 1 Corinthians 9:6, Leviticus 18:22 but that is not really the issue. The issue is what does this have to do with my tax dollars being spent on CBC. Its my news as much as anyone’s, and I don’t want that sort of special interest trash on my public Television. My Opinion and freedom is as important as anyone’s. This isn’t about Conservative or Liberal. There are indecent Politicians all over the place that would sell their soul for a vote, so why not their body and moral principles. And to be politically correct, I should point out I have some gay friends but they know I totally think their life style choice is radically wrong. I also have some Friends who drink a lot, and smoke, and I treat them with a bit of disdain because I think all of it filthy. I am not hateful or racist or bigoted. I just don’t approve of the things some people do. And Politics has nothing to do with it.
commented 2016-01-18 23:01:55 -0500
I have something to “confess”, I am a conservative married women who has 2 gay best friends. We celebrate every occasion with them and yes they love Christmas more then anybody I know. They have the best light display in the North end of Hlfx. We share each others deepest darkest secrets, I love them dearly and yes they know I am conservative and yes they know not all conservatives hate gay marriage and YES they are conservative too. To boot, I have 2 young adult daughters who also have best friends who are gay and yes they are conservatives too. I will throw in one more kicker for you, we live in the maritimes. Not all people in the maritimes voted lieberal..
commented 2016-01-18 22:43:34 -0500
Sheldon, I sense some cognitive dissonance.
It’s a good topic of discussion, because I think this is a common problem and source of conflict in our society, because the media and education systems are inept to correctly display or teach critical thinking and critical analysis.

This is a free society; at least that’s how I treat it.
That means if one is not harming anyone, then they can think and say what they truthfully want. Nobody has a right not to be insulted. And having that approach doesn’t mean not respecting people. People can believe whatever the hell they want, but once they start legislating shit, or bullying, that’s a whole different ball game, and it’s going to come up against resistance.

For example, if all the homos disappeared or cured tomorrow, I’d crack open the beer and celebrate. But that doesn’t mean I don’t treat them as equal. Similarly, if there were no more crippled and mentally retarded people tomorrow, I would crack open the beer and celebrate, but that doesn’t mean I treat the crippled or mentally retarded in a non-equal fashion. Once we’re here on this Earth, we all have a right to be here and live our lives, warts and all.

The Irrationals (some call them leftists or PCers) think everyone should be turned into a flock of conforming sheep that all think the same like preprogrammed drones, so we can all hold hands and sing Kum ba yah around the campfire. That’s communism (far-left); mankind’s been there…done that; doesn’t work.

@climatefallacy
commented 2016-01-18 22:35:49 -0500
James, This is what the right needs. More truthful people coming to our side. We always get bashed for being a racist, or a extremist, or a homophobe. But we are none of the above we are the only ones that are thinking for all man kind. Yes we and also me can get very angry. But that is only because we can’t understand the thinking that is taking place on the left. Yes we say they are crazy, and yes we say they should live in the real world. But they never will. I truthfully believe if a person is the far gone. Stop supporting them. Tell the government to back off and see if they survive. They won’t, they need us righties to keep marching on and paying the taxes for the agenda and their way of thinking.
commented 2016-01-18 22:35:49 -0500
James, This is what the right needs. More truthful people coming to our side. We always get bashed for being a racist, or a extremist, or a homophobe. But we are none of the above we are the only ones that are thinking for all man kind. Yes we and also me can get very angry. But that is only because we can’t understand the thinking that is taking place on the left. Yes we say they are crazy, and yes we say they should live in the real world. But they never will. I truthfully believe if a person is the far gone. Stop supporting them. Tell the government to back off and see if they survive. They won’t, they need us righties to keep marching on and paying the taxes for the agenda and their way of thinking.
commented 2016-01-18 22:22:28 -0500
You know what? The kind of crap you faced is no different than what a white heterosexual male or a three-peckered conservative billygoat would put up with if surrounded by lefty parasites.
commented 2016-01-18 22:12:30 -0500
Thank you for sharing your story. I’ve faced similar battles as a gay conservative in the GTA, and I can totally relate to the difficulty in being social with the gay community. I refuse to be quiet – in fact I’m louder now that I’m in my 30s and my close gay (and straight) friends who’ve stuck around are definitely aware of my views. I’m as loyal to the Canadian conservative movement as anyone so you’re definitely not alone. Keep up the good fight!
commented 2016-01-18 22:12:07 -0500
Nicely written, James. Sorry it was so awful, but it sounds like you came out of the fire a stronger person. Keep fighting the good fight!

PS: Milo’s awesome, isn’t he?
commented 2016-01-18 21:33:49 -0500
James Campbell, my sexuality is irrelevant when I say great job!