March 03, 2016

ISIS and THIS group of American doctors agree: It's "racist" to OPPOSE female genital mutilation

Sheila Gunn ReidRebel Commentator
 

A paper written by American doctors is encouraging a less invasive way to mutilate female genitalia. The paper is called “Female Genital Alteration: A Compromise Solution”. It was published in the Journal of Medical Ethics.

The World Health Organization defines female genital mutilation or FGM as any procedure that alters or injures the female genitalia for non-medical reasons. The practice is recognized as a human rights violation internationally. It’s illegal in Canada and for good reason.

FGM is often described as female circumcision. It involves removing part or all of the clitoris and often the labia. It’s practiced in over 30 countries worldwide. Over 200 million women worldwide are affected. FGM can be grounded in Islamic practice or regional tribal culture. It’s done to make women appear more virginal and it’s done because female sexuality and desire is seen as something for men to control.

Now, these doctors have proposed a new surgery to pacify those that will cut their own daughters for tradition, culture and control. Just a snip here and a cut there into a perfectly healthy girl child for no medical reason whatsoever. The motivations of this doctor’s group are grounded in moral relativism. This is taken directly from the synopsis of the medical paper:

“Marriage is associated strongly with quality of life in these traditions. In some cultural milieus, a woman who has not undergone a procedure to alter her external genitalia may find it difficult to marry. Additionally, there may be an aesthetic component to labiaplasty as practiced in some societies. Contrary to the picture painted by many international organisations, then, it could be stated that “children [undergo FGA procedures] because their parents love them and want them to be happy in their adult lives”. By labelling FGA as female genital mutilation, our discussions run the risk of demonising important cultural practices”

The doctors are saying it’s intolerant to oppose FGM because it’s an important cultural practice. Taking Yazidi sex slaves is an important cultural practice if you ask someone who sympathizes with ISIS. What about child marriage? Some cultures consider that an important cultural practice. Where is the line?

In a study in Somalia, the country in the world with the highest prevalence of FGM, 85% of women had an intention to subject their daughters to an extensive FGM procedure, and 90% supported the continuation of the practice.

Cultures that practice FGM have no intention of changing what they do or how they do it. They don’t care if it’s cleaner, safer or less invasive. All we can do, in the West, is make sure we don’t tolerate this barbarism in any form here. People shouldn’t write manuals about the best way to beat your wife any more than a group of doctors should write guidelines about the best way to cut up girls.

A moral society shouldn’t give advice on the best way to do the wrong thing.

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commented 2016-03-04 11:02:38 -0500
So whats more Dead in these Physicians, who made a Pledged, to Preserve and Contribute to the Well Being of Human Beings ? Is their Conscience Dead ? Or is it their Brains ? Seems to be alot of this “Culturally Sensitive” Brain Disease going around these days !!!
commented 2016-03-04 10:30:13 -0500
FGM is being practiced. it is a simple, but disturbing, fact. If more humane methods can be used until the practice can be stamped out altogether, this will benefit many millions of women”

This is exactly how retarded progressives think. You know, pedophilia is going to happen too, so perhaps we should have medical journals publishing articles on the safest practices for raping children. You don’t see that such articles may in fact normalize this practice rather than condemn it—and in fact it doesn’t condemn FGM at all, it exhorts people to view this as an acceptable cultural practice.

Also it is NOT primarily an African issue. It also occurs in Aghanistan, Indonesia, Pakistan, Malaysia and the Philippines and Indonesia. Outside of Africa it is solely a Muslim issue. I suspect in Christian African countries where FGM occurs it is weighted heavily amongst the Islamic population. In Sunni Islam, two of the four religious schools of thought dictate FGM as mandatory where the other two recommend it. Nice whitewash though.
commented 2016-03-04 08:20:02 -0500
I would like to agree with the principle that “A moral society shouldn’t give advice on the best way to do the wrong thing.”

I really want to just agree. But, reality, as it often does, gets in the way of the ideal. FGM is being practiced. it is a simple, but disturbing, fact. If more humane methods can be used until the practice can be stamped out altogether, this will benefit many millions of women. I assume that the journal applied similar reasoning in deciding to accept this article for submission, in full expectation of a backlash such as the one represented in this article.
commented 2016-03-04 08:13:48 -0500
This is primarily an African cultural issue, not a religious one, even though the cultures where this is practiced have come up with religious justifications for it. The Qur’an never endorsed such a thing.

That having been said, we should absolutely seek effective communications strategies to reach out to the affected communities to deter this practice, including formal legal sanction (make it illegal) and to otherwise deter the interest in pursuing it regardless of its legal treatment.

I’m to lazy to seek out the links right now, but I’m 100% positive that I’ve read studies which showed that acceptance of FGM is higher among older women in the affected regions/cultures, suggesting that the popularity of this practice, while still disturbingly high in many places, is on the decline.
commented 2016-03-04 00:43:32 -0500
Glenn i am not adamant about it anyways, where the hell did you get that from? Oh you made it up in your mind because i am right.
commented 2016-03-04 00:42:16 -0500
Glenn Craig what FGM does is like cutting your penis off, that is not the same.
commented 2016-03-04 00:40:17 -0500
Glenn Craig they are not the same by any stretch. My penis was not mutilated and i still enjoy sex.
commented 2016-03-04 00:18:54 -0500
ALBERTA GIRL – thank you! A well-gauged approbrium for the content of this publication and the topic at hand. Applause

Though in a country where the PM believes that a dual citizenship terrorist should keep his/her Canadian citizenship being held accountable seems hardly a priority.
commented 2016-03-04 00:11:40 -0500
The fact that this is in a medical journal speaks volumes as to the degradation and infiltration of subjective (i.e. politically correct) thinking into what were once objective disciplines. This is a disgusting result of that degradation. Of course, the only way to convince the masses of these bizarre justifications for FGM is to couch it in a semblance of authority—a medical journal from so-called professionals. How this passed peer review speaks volume as to what the peer review process has become—politicized.
commented 2016-03-04 00:03:00 -0500
“Psychosexual Reasons: Many societies believe that FGM is a way to help women control their sexuality. Female circumcision before and after changes how women perceive sex and intercourse. They believe that the removal of the clitoris is the only way to control a woman’s sexuality. It is also considered a way to ensure that a woman will stay virgin before marriage.” (New Health Advisor).

Did you ever notice, though, how all these cultural practices always involve providing sexual pleasure to men and controlling women sexually so they remain virgins? (Male circumcision is not the same as FGM and is not performed for sexual pleasure for the woman. Eg. Jewish tradition was to make the child recognizably Jewish. Photos show how girls’ genitals are completely mutilated…for male pleasure).

As a woman, I have learned about this subject, looked at the pictures to know what it really is and have written many letters on this subject. But….one has to ask if we are moving forward or backward?

Naturally, this is a political move by these doctors to accommodate these cultural practices and myths of other cultures now living in or moving to North America. Who are these doctors and what are their religious/cultural beliefs? Rather than educating these tribal groups, they are being prompted to believe the western view of their practices is racist. Simply more antagonism.

Who is behind this and why?

(Thank you Bravo Zulu.)
commented 2016-03-03 23:41:22 -0500
Barbarism of the highest level & torture as well. I saw one of those videos where the pain felt by a young girl was horrendous & inhumane. Any doctor supporting this should be banned from ever practicing medicine again.
Why is it with the Muslim faith it’s always the females who bear the brunt of everything unpleasant…..some are made to wear a burka, some a niqab, most a hijab, some undergo that terrible genital mutilation & in Afghanistan they are forbidden to do many of the things we in the west take for granted, most have no
liberties whatsoever & men control the females who are really their slaves.
Where is the UN on these women’s rights? Bunch of hypocrites.
I hope it’s not true that Trudeau supports FGM because I would hope that even he would not stoop so low as to condone this practice.
commented 2016-03-03 23:30:45 -0500
Doctors should be obligated to report such incidents that come to their knowledge, doctors failing to report should face criminal charges.
commented 2016-03-03 22:36:01 -0500
Hear, hear, Alberta Girl.

Regarding male circumcision. I remember getting no end of flack from my inlaws when I refused to have either of my boys circumcised. It was considered unhygienic by a certain generation of French Canadian Catholics. Many years ago now.

These things must be told. That the World Health organization would advocate for female genital mutilation at all is distressing. I suppose it takes it off of the dirty streets, but there has to be a better solution to that problem.
“The doctors are saying it’s intolerant to oppose FGM because it’s an important cultural practice” is just so wrong on so many levels.

I appreciate Bravo Zulu’s input. The stories of first hand experiences of what goes on in the middle east are sobering and necessary to hear about.
commented 2016-03-03 21:32:04 -0500
PS This woman from Somalia who came here as a refugee to save her daughters from this BARBARIC procedure, she is exactly the reason for a refugee program as far as I am concerned, I would take 1000 of her trying to do the RIGHT thing and save her children than and entire population running away from fixing their own countries OR coming b.c a prime minster offered to move here for free.
commented 2016-03-03 21:20:57 -0500
APPALLING! SHOCKING! The first thing a person should do it look up video and photos of FGM, THEN read stories of women and their personal accounts of what FGM did to them, their health and how they felt as adults… listen to them describe the indescribable pain of having it done, living with it, and acts like childbirth as a result. Next look in to the reasons it is done, all come back to the man, the religion, there is not ONE plus for the woman herself, NOT ONE – even when it is said they cannot marry if it isn’t done still is b.c of the male. Now lets talk about the physicians oath to do NO HARM! We/they SHOULD be working to educate and BAN this throughout the world, not support it! Good grief, are you kidding me, so this is less ‘painful’ and stops them from going to the mutilation lady down the street, EDUCATE the family, DO NOT MUTILATE! Illegal is illegal, if you send your child out of country to have it done WHILE you are a citizen in a country where it is illegal, then you should be held accountable, period, perhaps even have your daughter removed from your ‘care’. Enough! Sorry about the caps, think of them as bold font, I am really upset/irate in fact.
commented 2016-03-03 20:25:04 -0500
We must enact a law requiring all physicians to report all cases of female genital mutilation…and prosecute those who perform it for practicing medicine without a licence.
commented 2016-03-03 18:50:58 -0500
Well, as a woman I will be first in line to send an email to our enlightened PM. Seems I now send him weekly emails about dumb things his government does. How about all men of Islamic belief have to have their genitals cut and how about they have to wear the egregious body bag called the nikab cause it seems they are ones with the problem.
commented 2016-03-03 18:50:57 -0500
@drew Wakariuk…..I feel sorry for you that you will never know the joy of having your lover “peel the grape”…..in this current time of tatoos and body piercings getting people to do it after they are fully grown and able to consent really shouldn’t be a hard sell.

Perhaps then there could be some meaningfull and credible studies of people who would actually know by experience if it makes a difference in the pleasure felt….how would someone who lost his foreskin as an infant know.

And it IS hypocracy to be so adamant about one….yet OK with the other.
commented 2016-03-03 18:46:40 -0500
Canadian Mongrel,

You wrote – “Actually, in the post second war period it was the “settled science” of the time that male circumcision was a health benefit through improved hygiene. Hence many males of the boomers, like myself, were circumcised for health reasons and not religious reasons. Like all ‘settled science’ the health benefit of male circumcision was debunked.”

From your post it is difficult to tell if you are pro or anti circumcision, unless you just wanted to share? I made no religious connection in my post, I referred to age, I agreed with Glenn that it should not be done to children, let them decide as adults for themselves.

Yes, science continues to advance and old standards are put out to pasture, if that was your point then I agree with that, as I can give several examples of that – one that immediately comes to mind is that back in the 50s, 60s and 70s it was standard medical practice to fluff off all female complaints (cramps, headaches, feeling tired, aches, etc.) by a male doctor.
You know the Stone’s song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfGYSHy1jQs
Guess what the magic pill was? Valium. It was prescribed like candy for females, A STANDARD PRACTICE by male doctors. Nowadays they know that you don’t simply prescribe Valium if a woman walks into a doctor’s office with a complaint. They do a physical, blood work, etc to determine the problem then administer medication if warranted.

As I wrote, allow them to make their own decision as an adult. Go online, research this yourself, there are dozens of sites that not only speak of circumcisions and FGM gone horribly wrong but have personal testaments to what it did to the children’s lives as they grew up into adulthood.

No FGMs are done in a hospital, and while most circumcisions are done in a hospital there are still many that are not. Neither boys nor girls should have this done to them, it is abuse plain and simple. If as adult they want to go through with it then that is their decision, not their parents or relatives or whoever’s. Justify it however you want but it does not change the fact that it is physical and mental abuse to the small children.
commented 2016-03-03 18:32:32 -0500
Actually, although some UK scientists claim that the brain is nit fully developed until the person reaches 30 or 40 years of age, they are wrong!
Case in point, our politicians!
The way they act in the House of Parliament and some of their thinking proves my point and I did not get any grant to arrive at this conclusion.
commented 2016-03-03 18:21:22 -0500
Wait until I becomes a issue here. Trudeau says it’s not barbaric. I’m sure anyone opposed will be shamed as a racist Islamophobe. Just one more facet to a ridiculously heinous "religion"that’s steeped in violence.
commented 2016-03-03 18:21:10 -0500
Sheila et all – apologies for the length of this one.

I have written about this before. From the view of a soldier that has had to clean up the mess.

Little girls and young women. When you dig up people to perform autopsies it is not pleasant. I have helped do that. The women are treated like vermin. I could not say they were treated like animals because animals are not treated that badly.

When you arrive somewhere and literally have to use weapons to hold off the men so you can perform first aid on a young women who is bleeding out and dying it makes you open your eyes to things in the world that the average person will never see.

While it may be cultural I will tell you right now that if my daughter needed medical attention and you were a male medic or doctor and she would die without your attention, I would personally help you remove her clothing just so you, the man could save her. Every parent reading this probably would do the same.

There? They will fight you to keep you from seeing that young girl naked. They will let her bleed out. Or die of infection.

There is no accredited doctor that I know, or medic that I know, or nurse that I know who would approve of FGM – I believe this is another back door UN islamic attempt to legitimize the procedure to the world.

Anyways………..

Clinical FGM is completely rare on the grand scale.

If it was done clinically the casualty list would be far lower than it is.

FGM is often done with a knife and some pliers and a few people holding the girl down.

Only the rich, the few, are treated to this by a doctor in a clinical setting. Most get it in the back building or the tent or wherever someone who knows how to do it is located.

I am a male – a husband, father and grandfather. I cannot believe there is not a huge and vast and wide outcry from the feminazis condemning this torture that is inflicted upon you girls and young women. Where are the women who demand justice for women?

I personally would have no problem pulling the trigger on someone inflicting this torture on a young girl. Not one problem.

I did not watch the video in event it had scenes that would anger me however here is some info that might not have been on the video – hope it is not a repeat. I grabbed the following off a site that I know and often use as reference to issues when I lecture newbies before going into third world areas.


An estimated 125 to 140 million women and girls are victims of FGM.

Despite FGM being classified as a human rights violation by the World Health Organization, it still happens to thousands of vulnerable women and girls every single day. Globally, a woman or girl is violated by FGM every ten seconds.

This means approximately 8,500 women and girls are harmed by FGM daily.
Most girls undergo FGM between infancy and the age of 15.

FGM has existed for over 2,000 years and is performed on women days before their marriages, or on babies as young as a few days old. The procedure has no health benefits for women and girls.

FGM can cause severe pain, infertility, infection, and prolonged bleeding. It can also cause complications during childbirth and increases the risk of newborn deaths. The practice of FGM can also cause behavioral changes in women and girls and lifelong psychological damage.

Complications are common and often lead to death.

Women that undergo the procedure are twice and likely to die during childbirth. FGM is often seen as a tradition in raising a girl properly.

Communities practice FGM mostly for cultural reasons. Since it is such a powerful social norm, most families will have their daughters cut despite the health risks and harm. FGM is practiced under the belief that women and girls will remain pure and ensure a proper marriage. The practice of FGM is most common in Middle Eastern and African countries.

Though FGM is a universal problem that happens all over the world, it is primarily concentrated in 29 countries in Africa and the Middle East. In Egypt and Ethiopia, nearly half of the female population are survivors of FGM.

If you have read this far – you saw human rights mentioned many times – go here to see who runs the back rooms of the UN – it will open your eyes to the evils of islam even wider – tell your friends:

http://www.humanrightsvoices.org/EYEontheUN/un_101/figures/

One last aside – and there is serious truth to this:

I created a stir on a social justice site by stating there are no homosexual women in islam. They just give them the FGM treatment and marry them off. If she refuses to have sex with the husband she is beaten and raped.

Best to all.
commented 2016-03-03 17:19:27 -0500
So maybe these doctors should line up for some mutilation since it would be offensive to these poor victims of racism. Have your penis mutilated if you are a male doctor, see how you like it then.
The crazier things get , the more i see we need a huge reminder of what is right and wrong here in the west. Not all of us , but there is too much of our society that is painfully lost.
commented 2016-03-03 17:16:50 -0500
Glenn Craig there is a huge difference in the 2.
commented 2016-03-03 16:33:19 -0500
The only reason that Muslims perform FGM is because they do not trust their women. After FGM has been performed on a woman, she looses her sexual urge because she cannot enjoy sex. Muslims males are so evil they do not care about the feelings of their women. They just want to be sure that Mommy is not out, being unfaithful, while Daddy is having sex with his six year old Son.

All they use to perform FGM is a Razor Blade and a pair of Tweezers, so it will be very hard to stop them continuing this practice.

The only way to completely stop FGM in Canada would be to deport every God Dam Muslim from the Country. Not a bad idea if you think about it.
commented 2016-03-03 16:13:01 -0500
Glenn Craig and Hyacinth:

Actually, in the post second war period it was the “settled science” of the time that male circumcision was a health benefit through improved hygiene. Hence many males of the boomers, like myself, were circumcised for health reasons and not religious reasons. Like all ‘settled science’ the health benefit of male circumcision was debunked.
commented 2016-03-03 15:39:12 -0500
You are right Glenn, it should not be done to either gender. Once they are adults – in their thirties – and they can make informed decisions then if they feel like mutilating themselves they can have at it. Leave the children alone!!

http://phys.org/news/2010-12-brain-fully-mature-30s-40s.html

“New research from the UK shows the brain continues to develop after childhood and puberty, and is not fully developed until people are well into their 30s and 40s.”
commented 2016-03-03 15:16:58 -0500
I have to say it because I am a men’s rights advocate. Circumcising boys IS NOT done for medical benefit it is done because of Biblical tradition and no male having reached the age of legal consent would ever agree to it. So people who condone it while condeming FGM should learn the difference between high ground and high horse.