December 30, 2015

Justin demands pro-life Liberals put their souls on the line; what does that say about those who do?

Sheila Gunn ReidRebel Commentator

I'm pro-life. I believe that a unique and precious human life exists at conception.

I say I believe it but what I mean is that I know it to be true, ethically, medically and spiritually.

We never really knew how Stephen Harper felt on the subject personally. He never proclaimed anything the way I just did. But as a man of principle, he realized that abortion is a matter of conscience. Stephen Harper understood that for many people, people like me, being pro-life is a matter of our very salvation. Asking us to be pro-choice is like asking us to literally sell our soul. So when the issue of opening up a debate about when life begins arose, Stephen Harper did not whip the vote. How could he ask anyone to put their soul on the line for the party?

But that’s what Justin Trudeau is doing. He insisted all of his MPs be pro-choice. Trudeau made being pro-choice a condition for being given the green light to run as a Liberal party candidate. He really did. I'm not a theologian but I am a lifelong Catholic.

Trudeau's position is a strange one for a man who presents himself as publicly Catholic and moreover it's totalitarian. How could anyone demand that a person of faith choose the Liberal party over their own moral convictions?

We know that some pro-lifers exist in the Liberal party. At their 2012 convention, 90% of the Liberal party membership reaffirmed their pro-choice stance. That’s a lot but it's far from unanimous. What about those pro-lifers who'd fold up their morality cards in the hopes that they'd be given a shot to sit in the green chairs in the House of Commons? What does that say about the kind of ethics of those people? It says they believe in the right to life up until it interferes with their personal desires to hold power. That bothers me.

This is the Christmas season. It’s a holy time for people like me when an unplanned child came to offer salvation for mankind.

And for the non religious, an unplanned child gave you a secular holiday to exchange gifts with loved ones.

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commented 2016-01-04 03:04:08 -0500
Or maybe it is the conservatives that need to modernize and stop lettingg their values get into the rights of people that are pro choice.

If you are against abortion, then don’t get one. Don’t tell others what they can or can not do.
commented 2016-01-04 02:51:42 -0500
Trudeau insisted that all Liberal candidates in the last election be Pro-Choice and if a vote were held in the House that they would vote Pro-Choice. Too bad, his naive idealism was not tempered by experience. Eventually, the reason the unborn should be protected will become clearer in public opinion. The little one, even if very small, even if unable to sustain herself, is still valued by the rest of us.
Support Trudeau by encouraging him to open his eyes.
commented 2016-01-03 01:07:18 -0500
When did I ever say that you can’t have Christmas? I’m pretty sure I said that christiansthink that their religion entitles them to the moral highbround, and I likely hurled a bunch of insults towards christianity and Sheila’s sanity, but I don’t think I ever said to ban christmas.

Here is the thing. I am not painting all the members of any group by the same brush. But I will put down a religion. I will clarify on the next bit. Members of a certain group are more likely to have a certain behaviour than some members of a different group. Use muslims for example. Not every muslim is a terrorist. But the likelihood of a muslim strapping on a suicide vest is higher than somebody from most non-muslim groups. Now take christianity as an example. Not every christian tells me that I need to believe in jesus or I will go to hell. Yet, no other people of other faiths tell me to go and believe in jesus.

You see the point that I am trying to make?

When you have some lunatic like Sheila throwing her beliefs around, like nobody else could possibly be correct, then it only perpetuates the reputation of Christians forcing their beliefs down the throats of others.
commented 2016-01-02 02:29:32 -0500
Donald Trump is the best thing that happened to American politics in a long time. He will make a great president. I am looking forward to seeing Trump sworn in as President of the United States of America.
commented 2016-01-01 22:55:12 -0500
What I was referring to when I made the comment about pacifism, was a common leftist idea of Jesus where turning the other cheek means allowing people to continue throwing punches (which is actually about turning the opposite side of your face to the person’s dominant arm. In essence it is about demanding respect). Also referring to, what I assume is your reason for calling Jesus a socialist, Jesus’ charity when dealing with his fellow man. In christ’s teaching, charity is to come from the heart of a man, not out of force from another. Socialism is government structure in which equality is attempted to be reached through government interference. Jesus was not a socialist, being above man’s politics. I also said nothing of atheists or their level of knowlege on religious matters. I appologize for my harshness in my last post, it’s frustrating for people of any faith to have others making assumptions about what they believe or understand.
commented 2016-01-01 21:29:35 -0500

I never said Jesus was a pacifist – but he clearly acted in terms that would be deemed socialism by modern conservatives. That is a fact.

I also said IF he cared about politics. You are clearly showing that you lack intelligence simply by not being able to comprehend what you are reading.

I don’t need to do any research and the fact of the matter is atheists tend to know more about religion over those that have actually have faith and believe in this shit.

You are simply delusional if you think Jesus Christ would join your fight – he is the definitive socialist and you are not following his path.
commented 2016-01-01 21:22:18 -0500

Every single political decision being made has to go through Jesus first. Government just can’t go ahead and get things done or pass laws – we have to ask, what would Jesus do and debate people like you for years before anything gets done.

There should be a separation of church and state, but there isn’t. Christianity forces itself into areas where it doesn’t belong.

Take away Christianity and shit would get done a whole lot quicker in this world.
commented 2016-01-01 21:05:38 -0500
Sam i can live with you believing that and have no problem , it is when you tell me i cannot have Christmas and take some moral high ground that bothers me. You also said we hide behind our churches which i will never do. And i do not consider you to be like M Mann he is a blind fool.
commented 2016-01-01 20:12:53 -0500
So if I’m not one of them, and you’re not one of them, then what are we talking about? It’s quite simple. Christianity is bunk. That’s all.
commented 2016-01-01 16:03:15 -0500
I love it when leftists make absolute fools of themselves by taking such an authoritative tone on matters they clearly know nothing about. michael mann, if you want to SOUND intelligent or even clever, post on a liberal website with your fellow self righteous ignoramuses. If, however, you want to post on a conservative website, perhaps you should do some research first, especially concerning christianity because you will be in company of people that are actualky learned on such matters. Jesus Christ was not a fluffy pacifist, so please don’t embarrass yourself with such insinuations. Perhaps you should look up what happened when Jesus turned the tables in the temple. Also, he didn’t care about politics. When asked if jews should pay taxes to Cesaer, he asked to view a coin. He pointed to the coin and asked whose face was on said coin. Give to Cesaer what is Cesaer’s, render to God what is God’s, was what he replied.
commented 2016-01-01 15:26:32 -0500
Michael Mann why do you lefties support radical Islam so much then crap anytime a Christian suggests anything reasonable?
Sam Young why do so many atheists push for and apologize for radical Islam? I know you do not, but it seems lots do, it makes no sense to me and it must be doubly idiotic to you. That one i do not get at all. I have asked a few atheists that , and they can never understand it.
commented 2016-01-01 15:18:43 -0500
Michael Mann us conservatives can survive quite well without you lefties, you cannot live without us. You always have your hands out and need someone to demonize. You are childish. And gay marriage is hardly a defining characteristic of society.
commented 2016-01-01 15:17:12 -0500
Michael Mann if your progressive ideology is so great then why is society getting worse and turning to sh*t when you commie wanabees get your way?
commented 2016-01-01 15:16:07 -0500
Sam Young i agree with you on lots of other things.
commented 2016-01-01 15:14:36 -0500
Michael Mann you are pretty lost ,and sorry CHristians are the ones being forced upon , how many examples do you need? Please show me where Christians are forcing you to do anything like in this story? I am forced to pay for abortion , why should i?
commented 2016-01-01 15:12:51 -0500
Sam Young you do that with Christians, why can i not do that with atheists , and there are more than Stalin, and your demands for no Christmas are the thoughts that lead to dictators who kill and control everything. And i full;y admit there are bad Christians , why should i be punished for them? I did not make them do these things, and non Christians do the same things all the time.
commented 2016-01-01 13:58:40 -0500
If the second coming of Jesus actually happened – he would be deemed a socialist by today’s conservatives.

This is what makes conservative Christians so laughable, because the things that liberals/progressives fight for when it comes to social programs and the 1% and being accepting of all people – gay, Muslim, whatever – is EXACTLY what Jesus would be doing.

In all actuality, if Jesus wanted to become a politician, he would join the Liberal party. Jesus isn’t about oil , banks, big corporation and capitalism. Jesus Christ would be disgusted by the mentality of Ezra Levant and would be fighting against that.
commented 2016-01-01 11:56:00 -0500
Sam Young: I do not associate atheism with communism necessarily and I actually find the argument that you are amking is more often made in reverse by atheists who do exactly as you say. They never want to associate atheism with communism although the communists were atheists and committed the worse mass killings in history however not all atheists are communists. However in many of the online debates I have had I have found these atheists want to blame all Christians for the actions of some even though they directly contradict anything Jesus taught and in fact Jesus himself said on judgement day he would be telling some who claimed to work in his name “I never knew you”. Still we get a push to try and have people blame the actions of Hitler as a product of his Christian beliefs even though he clearly like most politicians said whatever he needed to say depending on who he was talking to. He made as many anti-Christian statements and he even had a plan to rid Germany of them. The only point I make when tying Communism with atheism is that despite the claims of Christians killing in God’s name Communists who were atheists had no moral standard that prevented them from committing the worse mass killings in history. I use this as an example that atheism failed to define right and wrong in this instance and it was no trivial matter. The killings they massed came close to 100,000,000 in a short 100 year time period which far exceeds the killings of all the religions combined. Still I do not lump all atheists in with communists I simply suggest they have no claim to moral high ground.
commented 2016-01-01 02:24:46 -0500
It’s always Stalin and atheism this, and Stalin and atheism that. You can’t separate the two. To you Stalin and atheism are synonymous. But the moment a christian does something bad, you want to dissassociate with them, but you will not allow an atheist to do the same with Stalin.

And just volunteer work would you possibly do? Lemme guess. You blocked traffic by holding up big pictures of aborted fetuses in the middle of the road. Or maybe you read out the bible to a bunch of homeless people. Whatever it was, I am betting that for somebody with your pleasant personality, the volunteering would center around you telling people what to think. Because that is the christian way.
commented 2016-01-01 00:47:23 -0500
The most hilarious thing about her video is that Christmas doesn’t actually have anything to do with Jesus or Christianity. I think Shiela needs to actually do some research as opposed to just spewing what she was force fed when she was a little girl.
commented 2016-01-01 00:28:50 -0500
Christians push their beliefs the least?


That is the funniest and most delusional thing I have read in a very long time – especially when you consider that Christians spew that Canada and America are Christian nations, thus every government decision needs to go through Jesus first.

Gay marriage would have been legal long ago if it wasn’t for Christians being in the way. Freedom, human rights and progressive ideas are being held back by Christians – until a Supreme Court finally has to step in and do what’s right.
commented 2016-01-01 00:23:43 -0500
Hey, it’s 2015 and the vast majority of Canadians are pro-choice – so if any liberal politicians have a problem with that, they can stand by their convictions and get the fuck out of the party if they don’t like it or feel that their soul is being put on the line. There are numerous politicians that will happily take their place.
commented 2016-01-01 00:16:04 -0500
It blows my mind that abortion is still up for debate. It has already been settled. Pro-lifers can bitch about it forever, but the genie is never going back into the bottle – abortion will never be illegal. Ever. In fact, if you are an outspoken politician against abortion – you will be completely unelectable.
commented 2015-12-31 23:43:13 -0500
Sam by the way i do not need your permission to feel anyway about myself. So refuse all you want.
commented 2015-12-31 23:40:20 -0500
Sorry Sam , but you hop on Christians , i can hop on atheists, why is it bad for me , but okay for you? Please explain? And tell me how Christians are forcing their beliefs on others then i can show you how it it the reverse in more cases. Sorry if you hate reality.
commented 2015-12-31 23:38:15 -0500
Sam Young when did i say atheists are like Stalin moron? I was pointing out how oyu want all Christians to be punished for the actions of some, but atheists do not have to be? WHY IS THAT? And i was showing you that atheists have done worse , yet you condemn Christians. HYPOCRITE! And i have done lots for others , even volunteered many times, just because oyu do nothing then act superior does not mean i have done nothing. And oyu have seen many examples of secular values being forced on CHristians then whine that they do it to others. This story for example. You need help as you are deluded.
commented 2015-12-31 21:42:14 -0500
You should get help, not just for your severe case of OCD, but your stalking of me. How many posts in a row do you have to make for every one of my single posts, in how many individual pages now?

It’s bad enough that you have this jump in logic that makes you think that people that believe in abortion are A B and C. But it also applies to everything else. You think that people that are atheists are like Stalin.

That would be like me giving you credit because some christian do gooder decided to throw in a can of spam into the christmas hamper collection bin.

I simply refuse to allow you to think highly of yourself just because somebody else who is also a christian decided to do something good.
commented 2015-12-31 21:00:35 -0500
Sm Young: I have realized that if a person has chosen to disregard human life there is very little I can do to stop it. The will simply travel to another country where it is available but the pro choice crowd has no respect for our rights or opinion and will never ever give up the demand we pay for it because these people have no respect for human life or the those who disagree with them.
commented 2015-12-31 18:56:45 -0500
Funny how the homeless here in Edmonton get ignored and looked down upon on whyte ave, secular progressive central then get warm meals and help and compassion when they go to the awful Christian places like the Hope Mission eh Sam? How many people have you fed? Have you ever even volunteered?
commented 2015-12-31 18:45:28 -0500
Any person who supports abortion had better not complain if you or your partner or daughter or whatnot are ever pregnant and something happens to the baby due to someone elses actions and you cannot file charges or get compensated, your belief means that is not a person in the womb, and even of you want the child it is not murder to have killed it in the womb anymore. You cannot have it both ways.