June 17, 2015

Justin Trudeau's real priority? Abortion

Brian LilleyRebel Co-Founder
 

Health care is a provincial issue, but that doesn't stop Trudeau from frequently bringing up abortion.

Trudeau doesn't like the fact that pro-life groups are handing out flyers pointing out his extreme position on abortion but he's the one who keeps bringing it up.

He loves to talk about it because abortion is for progressives is what pot is for libertarians. They're fanatics about it.

 

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commented 2015-06-19 15:57:48 -0400
Jimmy said: “A “clump of cells” doesn’t have rights by society’s standards. He is not a person yet.” And you’re a doctor? Of what?
commented 2015-06-19 13:55:02 -0400
Peter,

So why not 15 weeks or 10 weeks or 5 weeks? Why have governments allowed abortion up to a certain point per the 20 weeks?

It is not a child until it is out of the womb. I know the comparison is simplistic – but a cake isn’t a cake until it comes out of the oven per the appropriate cooking time. There is a process – both in creating a child and cooking a cake. If the “clump of cells” are unable to survive outside of the womb – that is not a child. A “clump of cells” doesn’t have rights by society’s standards. He is not a person yet.
commented 2015-06-19 08:43:21 -0400
Jimmy asked, "What I meant is that I am willing to concede to science about the 20 weeks. You are not willing to concede to that? "

Well, no, and here is why:
1. No one is able to determine when life begins, not the philosophers, not the theologians, and not the science community.
2. The termination of the life of an innocent is not something with which to be negotiated.
3. Since beginning of life cannot be determined beyond doubt, it is still possible that destroying the fetus before 20 weeks could very well still be murder.

Labeling the fetus as a “lump of goo”, a “clump of cells”, or whatever is simply meant to distance one self from the truth that it is a child growing in that womb. It make is easier to say, “Oh, yea, just go ahead and get rid of it, it’s just a clump of cells, anyway!”
commented 2015-06-19 01:25:13 -0400
Peter,

Well to be honest – I am an atheist. I was being sarcastic with that quote. I don’t watch MSNBC.
commented 2015-06-19 00:11:04 -0400
JimmyDa uh uh. That’s not the bible! You’re pathetic. No concept of faith hope purity love or truth. Secular worldly pagan. Now go watch Rachel Maddow and drink yourself to sleep
commented 2015-06-18 23:12:07 -0400
Jimmy, you certainly are doing your best to avoid providing the scientific proof of the point life begins.
commented 2015-06-18 22:32:05 -0400
Peter,

What I meant is that I am willing to concede to science about the 20 weeks. You are not willing to concede to that? There are tons of links on Google that explain why per the 20 weeks. Would you like me to just pick one for you? And there are tons of links that indicate that many people including myself believe that life doesn’t truly begin until the unborn child reaches “viability” – the point where he or she can survive outside the womb.

Obviously I am not alone when it comes to this view. Just as you are not alone with your view. And I am sure our positions would never change – no matter what links or proof we may provide that supports our position.
commented 2015-06-18 21:55:40 -0400
Jimmy, that verse you quoted interpreted in context is when God first breathed life into man. The Hebrew words for “breathed life” is properly interpreted as a one time act. To interpret it as the continual beginning of life for each person is a misinterpretation of the meaning of the passage. That is called historical, literary and contextual hermeneutics (or exegesis).
commented 2015-06-18 21:47:24 -0400
Jimmy if you have not admitted that science has not determined when life begins and you say you are “I am well aware of the scientific/medical view and that’s fine.”, then quit hedging and present the scientific evidence of when life begins.

Or at least post a link to where I can read that scientific evidence for myself. I really am curious if there is evidence that scientists have found when the beginning of list is.
commented 2015-06-18 21:28:43 -0400
Peter,

I didn’t admit anything and I embrace science. My position is that the woman is the priority and life as we know it doesn’t truly begin until birth.
commented 2015-06-18 21:22:55 -0400
Marty,

I am sorry that offended your delicate sensibilities.
commented 2015-06-18 18:15:06 -0400
Donald Perry, “The best way to ruin Jimmy’s fun is to ignore him.”

You are correct, of course.

Initially he was simply posting “drive-by” hate insult comments, and those annoyed me, but when he responds without the insults but with civil comments, I rather enjoy the repartee.

I certainly would like to know what doctorate he has earned, though. I wonder if he will answer Rick and myself.
commented 2015-06-18 18:11:04 -0400
You’re dead on , Brian! You’re a man with guts! Not too many of you around these days! They love abortion here in Canada. They will call it anything, carrot, snot, blob, etc. the denial of murder is egregious, it is phenomenal. After all, should their narcissistic sex fail, they may need to take ‘responsibility’ and have the child killed. They never let that go. They use euphemisms, ‘choice’,‘service to women’, but it is what it is, it has ravaged society after society, especially Canada, and/until the denial goes on. Keep talking about it, Brian. It’s about life, love, family and a future. .. nothing else.
commented 2015-06-18 18:08:23 -0400
Jimmy claimed, " – isn’t really a life by society’s standards until it is born and breathing air outside of the womb. Life truly begins at breath. "

Jimmy, you have then admitted (in a sentence that I did not quote) that there is no scientific proof of when life begins. Thank you for being honest about that. But then you say that society has accepted that life begins at birth. That is not the case. Maybe the group you hang out with has accepted that, but Western society has in general accepted the scientists’ general consensus that 20 weeks is when life begins. Personally I don’t agree with that. I take the position that since the scientists cannot prove when life begins, it is best to take the position that life begins at conception. I am not alone in that belief.

And please, regarding your biblical quote, if you are not going to quote the Bible in context, then I recommend you not embarrass yourself by quoting it at all. Just a suggestion.

You are right that a lot of unwanted children live a shitty lives. There is always adoption. There are lots of couples out there that want to adopt.

Jimmy said, “Rick, I am a doctor.”

So, Jimmy, what do you have your doctorate in? I am curious. What is your doctorate?
commented 2015-06-18 17:47:11 -0400
The best way to ruin Jimmy’s fun is to ignore him.
commented 2015-06-18 17:26:54 -0400
Jimmy da Silva, you sound like a blob of snot. To downgrade a living fetus to a blob of snot is not only disgusting, but utterly sick! Your arguments do not work on this site, so go away and join CBC, you will find lots of sickos there that will agree with you. You are disgusting!
commented 2015-06-18 16:22:05 -0400
Rick,

It has nothing to do with being so intent on “killing” – we believe that the woman are the priority here and they should be able to make the choice per what’s best for them.

Plenty of babies and children have been killed after the fact because the mothers were not ready and plenty of babies and children have had shitty lives because no one wanted them. I would rather have been aborted in those cases.
commented 2015-06-18 16:17:21 -0400
Peter,

I am well aware of the scientific/medical view and that’s fine. I am not disputing that. I am simply saying that the woman is the priority here as far as I am concerned and the thing inside of her which is growing – isn’t really a life by society’s standards until it is born and breathing air outside of the womb. Life truly begins at breath.

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen 2:7

Beyond this, I absolutely believe that the woman should have complete control over her own body and should be able to make whatever the best decision is for her. A glob inside of her doesn’t all of a sudden supersede everything else. If she was raped, if it was incest, if it was a mistake, if she is not ready to be a mother, etc. – she should be able to have an abortion if she feels that is the best decision for her and her own body.
commented 2015-06-18 15:51:28 -0400
Jimmy said, "Official life in this world begins at birth. "

Can you provide a scientificevidence of that. That is what I asked you. And you opinion is just that. Not all of those who support abortion agree with you. 20 weeks is a consensus in the medical community, but even there they do no provide any scientific evidence.

Jimmy said, “Rick, I am a doctor.”

So, Jimmy, what do you have your doctorate in?
commented 2015-06-18 15:39:26 -0400
In a free society, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Doesn’t mean it may or may not be right. This could just as easily been playing out in North America as opposed to the UK where this video originated. I guess I just will never understand why lefties are so intent on killing! Some genetic flaw? Or is it just selfishness? y’know I’m Ok so just screw everyone else?
commented 2015-06-18 15:24:14 -0400
Jimmy. A “doctor” of?
commented 2015-06-18 15:00:14 -0400
Rick,

I am a doctor.
commented 2015-06-18 14:58:30 -0400
Peter,

Why are conservatives constantly attacking women on welfare with what they call “welfare babies” and cutting child benefits. Is it because they love babies/children so much once they are out of the womb?
commented 2015-06-18 14:50:41 -0400
Peter,

Official life in this world begins at birth. Batter isn’t cake – until it’s fully cooked. You can’t take the fetus out at any time and have it survive on it’s own. The process of creating a life needs to be completed and as far as society is concerned, it’s not a life until it’s breathing on it’s own outside of the womb. And please save the whole hair and fingernails crap.
commented 2015-06-18 14:39:11 -0400
“I don’t see it as murder”.“not the glob of snot. It’s not really a life until it’s born and then when that happens, conservatives no longer give a shit about that life…until they can serve in the military”. Wow Jimmy. You have really revealed your character, and its not pretty. Sure hope you don’t work in the Health Care Field!
commented 2015-06-18 14:34:26 -0400
Deborah Graupner commented: “I think that Trudeau is not focusing on real health issues, because he is all for euthanasia. He’ll just ensure that the system remove anyone who is deemed to ill, and who will be a drain on the system.” And where have we seen that philosophy before? Oh yeah, Nazi Germany, Most Communist States, and to a degree modern day Holland!