December 03, 2015

Liberal Senate reform more elitist and less accountable — is this the change Canada voted for?

Brian LilleyRebel Co-Founder
 

The Liberals announced they’ll constitute a five person Senate advisory panel but haven’t told us who will be on it yet.

They’ll tell us that later this month but for now, all they’ve said is that those appointed must have a record of achievement and public service, show integrity, understand the role of the Senate and demonstrate an ability to contribute to the work of the Senate in an independent and non-partisan manner.

Democratic Institutions Minister Maryam Monsef says the panellists will work with the provinces to find potential senate nominees but at least one province (B.C.) says they aren’t interested in working with this new blue ribbon panel.

And no wonder. Trudeau’s plan of having an appointed panel of eminent Canadians appoint other eminent Canadians to the Senate does nothing to address anyone’s concerns about democratic accountability and if anything, makes it less democratic and less accountable.

We’re told the committee will give the Prime Minister options and he’ll make the final call — but his “options” will be based on the short list provided to him by his unelected political appointees.

Harper tried many different ways to bring real change to the Senate by for instance introducing and pushing for Senate elections, Senate term limits and more but all of those ideas were rejected by the then Liberal dominated senate, fought by the provinces and challenged in courts by activist lawyers.

So Trudeau’s great idea for improvement is to make an unelected, unaccountable and elitist institution even more elitist, even more unaccountable and even more unelected?

This fits Trudeau’s pattern of elitists picking other elitists to rule over us but, is this the change Canada voted for?

 

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commented 2015-12-04 15:00:35 -0500
This is a huge part of the liberal playbook, change all government agencies into arms length bodies and stock them with well paid cronies and be able to wash their hands of any blame when they screw up.
commented 2015-12-04 11:22:20 -0500
This is what Trudeau said he would do. The problem is that no one was listening. Kudos to British Columbia for saying no to this sham.

The problem in the past with opening the constitution for amendment in my view is that it was not focused. When you look at the U.S. amendments, they are focused on a single topic while our attempts have been all over the place. I would support a Prime Minister who wanted to open the constitution, but limit discussion to a single topic such as Senate reform. It might be easier to get things done that way.
commented 2015-12-04 10:57:43 -0500
@ Donald, I would still rather have the choice of senators left in the hands of the people than the hand of the PM, or the hands of a “hand picked Liberal loyal” Senate advisory panel. At least in the hands of the people it is then the people’s responsibility and it is true democracy.
commented 2015-12-04 10:53:26 -0500
Donald asked, “And Alberta? What the hell was that all about?”

I’m still trying to answer that one, and I live there!
commented 2015-12-04 10:53:20 -0500
Justin is just creating an escape route to enable him to escape responsibility. This really shows good leadership Justin. You cannot even change your own Diapers, hence your need for two Nanny’s. If you love your Country, resign.
commented 2015-12-04 10:30:57 -0500
Brian poses the rhetorical question “Is this the change Canada voted for” ? Does anyone really have a clue what people werethinking when they went to the polls? Voters in Ontario voted for more deceit , more corruption and more fiscal mismanagement . And Alberta? What the hell was that all about? Talk about biting your own nose to spite your face. And now Canada and Canadians. DO you really expect the red Ferrari to be in pristine condition after giving Ferris Bueller the keys for a four year drive?
But the main subject of Brian’s piece is the Senate. It should be an elected body you say. And the electorate in their infinite wisdom will pick more honourable , intelligent and wise people as their representatives? Well the results of recent elections would bring that assertion into question.
commented 2015-12-04 10:18:17 -0500
liberal talking point; “achievement, public service, integrity” Real world translation: ‘hyper partisan leftist political elite insiders with a long record of leeching off of taxpayers that will fast track liberal bills and block any and all conservative bills in the future’. This isn’t senate reform to make Canadian government better, this is senate manipulation to further entrench extreme leftist ideologues to undermine democracy and render voting a useless activity.
commented 2015-12-04 10:09:57 -0500
@steve McQueen – Canada will be an economic basket case after four years of Justin and the groundwork laid for a socialist government. I doubt Canada will be anything like it is today should the Liberals reign of terror last for 30 years.

And the very fact that Ron Christensen want the Liberals in for 40 years as per his comment to you, means he despises democracy just like all socialists. They love to be ruled over and subjugated to the will of the government so long as they get their welfare cheque.
commented 2015-12-04 10:01:49 -0500
Ron said, “I would rather have so-called elitists in the senate any day than pork belly appointees by a PM who cynicially uses the senate to fill the party coffers. Hint: I’m talking about our last sorry assed poor example of a lying PM.”

Really Ron? If that were true, then why did he leave 22 seats unfilled? You attempt to lie your way to insulting Harper has fallen flat on its face. And why are you not mad and Chretien who did exactly what you accused Harper of doing?
commented 2015-12-04 09:09:15 -0500
The Senate has always been contentious. Why can’t each Province or Territory elect there own (3 each). It should eliminate partisan. problems. I heard him say Ont had seven and PEI had one. Each province should have equal representation. Population wouldn’t work. Look at the Ont election results pertaining to Toronto. Regardless it can’t be point and pick
commented 2015-12-04 07:26:25 -0500
Steve McQueen: I hope it lasts 40 years.
commented 2015-12-04 07:24:13 -0500
I would rather have so-called elitists in the senate any day than pork belly appointees by a PM who cynicially uses the senate to fill the party coffers. Hint: I’m talking about our last sorry assed poor example of a lying PM.
commented 2015-12-04 03:51:39 -0500
Tomorrow Justin Trudeau will announce the Pre-Advisory Panel to select members of the Senate Advisory Panel, 5 non-partisan Liberals will select 5 non-partisan Liberals to sit on the Senate Advisory Panel.
commented 2015-12-04 01:11:35 -0500
@ Union Hostage commented 2 hours ago
@bravo Zulu – I like the idea of any person who exemplifies the qualities you describe sitting in the PM chair opposed to this entitled juvenile (who’s never had to work a honest day in his entire life) that we’re currently saddled with. One comment about unionized workers, not all wish they were this is all too commonly a condition of hire, working in an unionized environment while possessing work ethic sucks (ok that was 2 comments). I could think of a different finger to raise while drinking my wine…
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I actually agree with your comment (2 comments).

As for the finger – I will join you in that salute!

Cheers
commented 2015-12-04 00:39:05 -0500
I’ll tell you what steve if alberta can unfuck itself with a good old fashioned revolt maybe we will come for the rest of canada
commented 2015-12-03 23:59:52 -0500
Harper could have loaded up the Senate with Conservatives after the election, but before the transfer.

Harper’s response? Fuck you Canada. You deserve this man child asshole. Enjoy the ride. Another 30 years of liberal domination and financial raping of Canada at the Federal level.
commented 2015-12-03 23:48:19 -0500
I chills me why harper did not do something about this problem when he had the chance. Why leave empty seats to be one day filled with liberal hacks. Either play there game or get rid of the problem but why leave the door open and the cbc as well
commented 2015-12-03 23:41:37 -0500
@bravo Zulu – I like the idea of any person who exemplifies the qualities you describe sitting in the PM chair opposed to this entitled juvenile (who’s never had to work a honest day in his entire life) that we’re currently saddled with. One comment about unionized workers, not all wish they were this is all too commonly a condition of hire, working in an unionized environment while possessing work ethic sucks (ok that was 2 comments). I could think of a different finger to raise while drinking my wine…
commented 2015-12-03 21:25:33 -0500
I certainly hope this elitist dictator proposal doesn’t get accepted!
I’d like to hear what Brad wall thinks of it?
I’d like to tell Trudeau to stick this Senate Reform proposal up Gerald Butts’ where the sun doesn’t shine!
commented 2015-12-03 21:19:41 -0500
How typical

If you really want reform and you MUST have a panel – how about a panel of people who have never belonged to a union, work their asses off to pay a mortgage, are still making a car or truck payment and have never made more than 100K in a year and get blisters and bruises when they work.

They might not be the best t raising their pinky when drinking a fine wine -but they understand the value of a dollar, the value of honesty and integrity and they certainly would be a getter choice than the lefty elites that will be chosen.

In other words, there are many intelligent people out there that could do this job – but it will go to an elite rather than a realist.

And @ Andrew Mirlach – you are correct – the gay boy pm would not qualify for his own panel.
commented 2015-12-03 21:07:45 -0500
" Those appointed must have a record of achievement and public service, show integrity, understand the role of the Senate and demonstrate an ability to contribute to the work of the Senate in an independent and non-partisan manner." So basically JT would not qualify for his own advisory panel?
commented 2015-12-03 20:53:15 -0500
This, although so bad, is not Justies idea. He did not conceive of this, there is no way that he has the mental acuity to form complicated plans such as this, as bad as it is. This has Buthead written all over it.
commented 2015-12-03 20:38:41 -0500
This unelected panel to appoint senators will be Liberal biased even if they say that it won’t. I simply do not trust the liars.

Then that panel will appoint all Liberals. No surprise there.

Justin just wants to fool the people into thinking he is making a reform to the senate, and yes, his lemming followers and the main stream media, especially the CBC and CTV will herald this change as a ground breaking non-partisan move to senate reform. (Sigh!! Isn’t Justin so wonderful!) They with cry out “All hail king Justin! All hail king Justin!”. Of course I am exaggerating the words, but not the emotional outpouring of adulation they will lavish upon “King Justin”.