December 11, 2015

Liberals MUST commit to referendum before imposing a new voting system on Canadians

Brian LilleyRebel Co-Founder
 

One of the items the Liberals campaigned on was the issue of how we elect our government saying at one point that the current election would be the last one done under our ‘first past the post’ system.

We keep being told that there will be extensive consultation with Canadians to come up with a better system but one question the Liberals won’t answer is whether or not there will be a referendum once the final design is chosen and before a different system is imposed upon us.

If this really is about a better system for Canadians rather than a better system for party bosses, then Canadians should have the final say and this should be a simple question for the Liberals to answer.

 

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commented 2015-12-13 13:02:37 -0500
Nathan W blurted: “Where was The Rebel when Harper changed the Electoral system in a way that disenfranchised voters?” You mean the fraudsters with no ID, like those in several US states that got Obammy re-elected?"
commented 2015-12-13 06:45:39 -0500
I support proportional representation, but at least if we get preferential ballot, the Conservatives will have to start caring about the 70% of Canadians who hate them. Maybe they will become a more sensible and likable party.
commented 2015-12-13 06:40:21 -0500
Where was The Rebel when Harper changed the Electoral system in a way that disenfranchised voters?
commented 2015-12-12 16:41:17 -0500
Sean Penson said: " Any talk of western separation will be met with force, and not allowed in any matter." The tyranny of the left mindset on full display once again! Damn democracy! Keeps getting in the way of a good Socialist Dictatorship like Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union! If the west separates from Canada, it will be westerners who make that decision. Not the socialist wannabe dictators! Strange that force was never conceived as an option for all the years Quebec bleated about separation! Of course, Quebec was never serious about it. It was designed to blackmail more money and concessions from the ROC!
commented 2015-12-12 16:27:23 -0500
Sean Penson,
You sound like the old IRA.
commented 2015-12-12 16:16:31 -0500
The irony of a right winger frothing at the mouth about holding a referendum over changes to the election act after the Harper government changed the election act WITHOUT a referendum and (barely) a committee review… PRICELESS!!! Truth is, you’re only concerned because the only system that gives you even the SLIGHTEST chance of winning is the one we have now; First Past the Post. Under any other system, the Cons will be out in the cold for a long, long time…

GOOD!!!!
commented 2015-12-12 13:34:30 -0500
I live in Manitoba. People hate the NDP but Pallister is not offering an alternative. I suspect if the Liberals could get themselves together they’d run away with the election, but we face the same problem anywhere with a de facto two party system does.

Wall is no conservative. He’s right leaning by the standards of his province, but I dare you to look at how he’s handling, let’s say, liquor retail and tell us that it’s “firmly conservative”. Those very strictly regulated concession contracts – tighter than the offsales that have long dominated beer sales in the province – are so conservative.

You can argue the root causes, but Alberta’s got an NDP government provincially, and both big cities have mayors on that end of the spectrum as well. It’s hard to proclaim yourself a conservative powerhouse when someone like Nenshi runs away with 75% of the vote.

BC? The rightist Liberals are despised. This is the same situation as in Manitoba, where the opposition’s brand is merely more toxic than the incumbent’s – and that has to do with the corrupt philandering of Glen Clark and Mike Harcourt in the 90s rather than the party itself. The province itself is famously left-wing, other than a couple of valleys deep in the interior which have largely been bypassed by the modern day.

The reallocated ridings in Saskatchewan went NDP, not Liberal. The “pie slices” were stupid. When I lived in SW Regina our MP (for Palliser) was from Moose Jaw. Doesn’t make sense. There is only one Liberal riding in Saskatchewan, and that’s Ralph Goodale’s, which has been Liberal for decades.

Western Separatism is like a temper tantrum, or Donald Trump. Loud background noise without much logical foundation that is played by those who don’t really understand the issues. Eastern Canada will be fine if the west separates. Maybe not fabulously wealthy, but they at least have the basis for a sustainable economy. Alberta, in particular, has little outside resources, and an agriculture base that is extremely vulnerable to variable weather. You can separate all you want, but that doesn’t solve your economic woes, which are based in the fact that you lose 15 dollars on every barrel of oil, by far your biggest export. Saskatchewan’s unemployment is up sharply as well, their protracted recessions are due to the same lack of critical economic mass. Leftish, diversified provinces like BC, Manitoba, and Ontario are actually growing.
commented 2015-12-12 12:56:22 -0500
The NDP in Manitoba have ruined the province and now that their job is done they will be turfed out by the Conservatives in 2016. The people of Saskatchewan will again vote for the Saskatchewan Party which is firmly using conservative principles. Alberta remains staunchly conservative despite the NDP taking advantage of the right wing vote splitting fiasco created by Danielle Smith and Jim Prentice. Albertans are not going to take this sitting down. BC is being run using strategy similar to conservative policy and Christy Clark did not campaign for Trudeau. The reason the federal Lieberals are winning seats in the west is a combination of Elections Canada drawing up new districts to use cities like Saskatoon to snuff out rural votes by convincing unemployed brain washed people living in the cities to vote for promises of a free ride. The other part of this combination is the Lieberals targeting inner city ethnic communities by demonizing the Conservatives as anti immigrants and threats of being deported for committing crimes. And never forget the Lieberals require and get the full support of rich American environmentalists spewing there BS and pumping money into our politics, the Canadian main stream media sickening bias and the United Nations thirst for power and influence over sovereign countries like Canada.

I think western Canada has many good reasons to separate. And yes, if that happens eastern Canada would not be able to survive as it currently is and there probably would be some kind of armed conflict. Maybe Trudeau should be a little more careful before he decides to shove a new election format down our throats.
commented 2015-12-12 12:24:35 -0500
I see Oberleutnant Hans von Penson is spewing his usual conquer the world drivel.
commented 2015-12-12 11:44:10 -0500
This is just another example of the liberal/democrat mindset which says the government knows better than the stupid public. I have my beliefs and if you’re not on board you must have some mental problems. The scariest words in the english language “I’m from the government and I’m here to help”
commented 2015-12-12 11:43:52 -0500
This whole western separatism is BS put out by jilted conservatives looking for a scapegoat. The Cons only got 54 out of 104 seats in Western Canada, got destroyed in BC and Manitoba, and provincially speaking you have two NDP governments, a Liberal one, and a very red Tory. Alberta can start talking about it but it hasn’t got the economic might or diversity to survive as a freestanding entity especially if its bitumen keeps only being worth 22 bucks a barrel. It’s pretty evident that western separatism is a solution looking for a problem.
commented 2015-12-12 11:35:00 -0500
" The presumption that voters validated/mandated a change to the weighted ballot system, by the FIRST-PAST-THE-POST ELECTED GOVERNMENT THAT ONLY TOOK 36% OF THE VOTE, tells me you (like your kleptocrat Librano overlords) have no interest in honestly expressing democratic popular will,"

Did you really just use a criticism of the fundamental flaws of FPTP as a reason to … not change FPTP?

If an electoral system does not generate a mandate of sufficient strength to reform itself on its own, then the system itself is flawed and must be changed.
commented 2015-12-12 10:20:29 -0500
Hey Penson –Yeah you, the morbidly deluded partisan hack.

Do you even hear the vapid crap that comes out of your dented head? The presumption that voters validated/mandated a change to the weighted ballot system, by the FIRST-PAST-THE-POST ELECTED GOVERNMENT THAT ONLY TOOK 36% OF THE VOTE, tells me you (like your kleptocrat Librano overlords) have no interest in honestly expressing democratic popular will, it’s all about getting and retaining power and solidifying a single party state – THAT is all a weighted ballot will do between 3 socialist parties and 1 democrat – capitalize on voter confusion and party collusion.

Your political man crush on selfie boy, has you thinking on the same mico scale he does.
commented 2015-12-12 09:33:13 -0500
“Liberals MUST commit to referendum before imposing a new voting system on Canadians”
ABSOLUTELY!!! And the acceptance formula should be like those they set for Quebec separation vote – a vast 65% majority!

Same for any constitutional change – BUT, as we know, Liberals NEVER trust the people to rubber-stamptheir perfidious legislating, they will not put a constitutional question before them as they didn’t with ratification of the Charter or Quebec separation or the practice or wring/passing enabling legislation allowing bureaucrats and police to create laws.

In all likelihood the best we can expect from this group of slimey criminal kleptocrats is they may place the question before their lackeys on the supreme court to rubber stamp and sanctify such a constitutional violation.
commented 2015-12-12 03:11:12 -0500
Sean Penson commented 2 hours ago
The Liberals campaigned on reforming the voting system, they won, and the Conservatives lost. Get over it. The voting system will be different for 2019, and life will go on. Any talk of western separation will be met with force, and not allowed in any matter. Talks of separation is invidious, treasonous, and illegal, and must be dealt with in a just manner.

Sean Penson. Sell your crap to Quebec.
commented 2015-12-12 03:09:51 -0500
The Liberals want to rig the voting system to keep themselves in power permanently. They know they will be the number two choice in most cases, so the ‘preferential ballot’ system is rigged is their favor. It can’t be allowed or there will be a permanent Liberal dictatorship in Canada with Justin Trudeau in power as Canada’s permanent dictator.
commented 2015-12-12 02:44:24 -0500
@ Sean Penson.

While Western separation is a non-issue and may be poisonous, it’s certainly not “treasonous”. A province has the right, according to the Supreme Court and under our Constitution, to withdraw from federation. This is a legal possibility, if not a political one. So, strictly speaking, you’re wrong.
commented 2015-12-12 00:49:47 -0500
The Liberals campaigned on reforming the voting system, they won, and the Conservatives lost. Get over it. The voting system will be different for 2019, and life will go on. Any talk of western separation will be met with force, and not allowed in any matter. Talks of separation is invidious, treasonous, and illegal, and must be dealt with in a just manner.
commented 2015-12-11 23:46:40 -0500
Canada, like America, has a loose Cannon on deck and the Crew never learned how to tie a Reef Knot. Not that they care, the Rum flows by the gallon. The Bar Stewards are busy.
commented 2015-12-11 22:43:57 -0500
The most egregious thing I heard was the declaration that this was the last first past the post election indicating that there will be no option of maintaining the status quo … even on a referendum they do not want to have.
commented 2015-12-11 21:48:18 -0500
If there is a way to screw something up, Trudeau will find it. Never fear of that not happening.
commented 2015-12-11 20:43:56 -0500
“The last thing want is proportional represention all it would bring is power brocking and backroom deals just like he lieberas are good at.”

How about we ask why proportional representation would be so bad for conservatives. The answer is, their policies are relatively unpopular and they don’t get enough support to succeed when government is allocated by how people actually voted. It’s only because of the distortions imposed by the current system that they have any chance at all of winning.

Perhaps being forced to reconsider their policy to be more appealing to Canadians is a good thing. Do you disagree that Canadians voting for what they want is a bad thing?
commented 2015-12-11 20:17:55 -0500
Nope – they will do as they see fit

It is the gay boy and he is the dictator

You wait and see

He does not care about the people

Only his hair – who will give him the next blow job and which islamic will send him a chai boy or bacha boy for the evening.

Google them – all islamics do chai boys and bacha boys up the ass – that is why we called it “man boy Thursdays”

Do not believe me?

Lots of proof on the internet if you want to look for it.
commented 2015-12-11 20:12:45 -0500
You’re damn right there better be a referendum! I have no desire to see this country be “progressive’d” into insolvency.
commented 2015-12-11 19:44:43 -0500
If this goes through, the west should separate, or be will to endure centuries of financial abuse from Ottawa.

Alternatively, the US may step in and have the necessary conversations with the Demarais and Dussault families – ie: you back this process and it is the last dollar of business you do with the US.
commented 2015-12-11 19:37:58 -0500
Will never happen (referendum that is). The Lieberals have a majority at present and are determined to keep power at any cost (always ours!). Why on earth would they allow the peasants to have a say? They know better than anyone else that we need to be ruled from above!
commented 2015-12-11 19:13:12 -0500
The last thing want is proportional represention all it would bring is power brocking and backroom deals just like he lieberas are good at.
commented 2015-12-11 19:04:53 -0500
the Liberals don’t have to do anything. Just ask them,
They have a majority and like here in Ontario, answer to no one- well, except of course the special group and we all know which group that one is which he is bringing in by the tens to hundreds of thousands – enough to ensure his re-election in 4 years.
Trudeau will do as he pleases and contrary to what he has said, he doesn’t give a damn what Canadians think- unless of course they think the same way he does.
Canada no longer exists except in name only and what a joke that is!
commented 2015-12-11 19:00:34 -0500
I am sure the Liberals will do exactly the same pattern as the Notley NDP, and that is ram the bill through without consultation with the people and with deaf ears to protests against it. Notley did this for bill 6 despite the thousands of farmers and ranchers which opposed the bill. Trudeau will do the exact same.