September 28, 2015

Malala says no to niqabs - so why do Canada's elites side with the Islamists who tried to kill her?

Ezra LevantRebel Commander
 

It's a simple question, really: Whose opinion on niqabs should we listen to?

A Nobel Peace Prize winning Muslim girl who says women shouldn't cover their faces in court and under similar circumstances?

Or Islamists, Justin Trudeau, Thomas Mulcair and all their Media Party apologists?


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commented 2015-10-01 00:52:25 -0400
8 hours later… A very decent try Francis, and you sure nailed it.
Atoken, what a good series of posts.
commented 2015-09-30 16:14:20 -0400
Francis,

There is no need to apologize – I am not bothered by the insults or name calling. I like the banter that can go along with debating.

I will further respond to post later – I just wanted to say that I appreciate your post.
commented 2015-09-30 15:47:40 -0400
Not interested in being baited with accusations of treason, Token. Sorry.
commented 2015-09-30 15:41:01 -0400
Jimmy,

I’m judging by the content of your posts that you and Ezra may have more common ground than either would be willing to admit (though not entirely) – I don’t think either of you is “afraid of the scary Muslims” in general but it is difficult to tell because of the vitriol. So instead of playing a silly game of he said she said – with me outlining your position and you saying no – you have no idea what you are talking about – why don’t you just lay your cards on the table? Then I can do the same regarding my view – we can analyze Ezra’s as well based on his posts here and then maybe we can have an intellectually honest dialogue about the subject. If we can’t do that then there’s no point – the conversation will be nothing more than it already is – a big fat zero with two sides talking past one another and lots of name calling. I will even extend the first olive branch by apologizing for any and all names I have ever called you here and promise – no matter how much we may agree or disagree to keep the conversation 100% civil and intellectual?

Your turn.

Francis
commented 2015-09-30 12:34:14 -0400
Francis,

Wait a second – in a previous post, you seemed to know all about my view on Muslims and even went as far as stating that Ezra and I were for the same thing.

Tell me how you came to that conclusion. Or do you just want to admit that you pulled that out of your ass?
commented 2015-09-30 12:08:50 -0400
Wow, Terry, my first actual, sort of, almost a recognition! Now, we’ve locked horns on quite a few things, and yes, I do try to avoid the Da Silva method of idea exchange, but in this case I’m calling it as I see it. Try this: imagine if some immigrant to the US wanted to change their Oath of Allegiance to replace the word “God” with “Allah”. For all Americans, forever, because that one muslim immigrant was offended by the “racist overtones” of the original wording. Or some other such ridiculous bullshit, we’ve all seen the stupidity of some attention grabbing people. How do you think that would go over? Here, we’ve had the same tradition for quite a while, millions of immigrants to my country have made the same pledge under the same circumstances, and logic should dictate that if it isn’t broken why fix it? But now, for some reason, that just isn’t good enough for certain types of immigrants. I’m a Canadian, and as such I say I should have a say in such matters. And I say it isn’t broken, why should every new Canadian for the rest of time be asked the question of whether they want to show their faces while promising to be loyal to my country? This is Canada, and in Canada we show our faces when we are making such promises. There’s no religious component, it’s not like someone’s going to hell or anything for showing their face. You want to be Canadian, well, in Canada Canadians show their faces while making that oath. It’s the way it’s done here, and if you want to do it some other way you’re welcome to go somewhere else and do it your way. Here, this is our way, and if you want to be one of us you’ll do it our way or go somewhere else. This goes to the very core of our national identity. Is there no tradition you wouldn’t give up at the first hint of someone from somewhere else resisting changing to become Canadian? It’s a point I’ve made before and the only response I’ve got from you et al is to claim I’m being alarmist. So, where does it stop? We give them this, then next it’s muslim only apartment buildings (oops, already happening). Then it’s a short walk to sharia enclaves, grooming, and wide open terrorist immigration. It’s a line in the sand Terry, and by all accounts I believe I’m speaking for a lot more Canadians than you are. Not every traitor betrays his country on the scale of Arnold or Quisling, many people commit treason in small ways, like incrementally giving up small parts of the national identity until it’s unrecognizable, in the belief that it’s “only reasonable” and it will end with this small concession. It doesn’t. Never has, never will. Imams have been saying for decades that this is the way they’ll take over the world, it’s happening exactly the way they predicted and are making it happen, and people like you are holding the doors open for them. And…you’re just simply wrong to do so.
commented 2015-09-29 22:34:58 -0400
Hi Jimmy,

Maybe I am mistaken – why don’t you tell us what your opinion is on Muslims and we’ll go from there?

Francis

PS – recognizing moderate Muslims as socially conservative is not fear mongering. It is a simple fact. But let’s see where you stand first – maybe there is in fact nothing to argue about all????
commented 2015-09-29 12:58:24 -0400
Francis,

First of all – those who are fear mongering – don’t think they are fear mongering They believe in the ridiculous outcomes that they warn everyone about.

Secondly – not everything is worthy of debate, especially if the position that one person is taking is just absolute idiocy. Life is too short to have an intellectual debate over everything. People pick the debates they want to have and give face palms to fucking morons.

Lastly – tell me exactly what you think my position is on Muslims and how Ezra and I support the same thing.
commented 2015-09-29 12:47:05 -0400
Token,

Oh I am getting this – you are fucking crazy.
commented 2015-09-29 10:22:11 -0400
Actually Jimmy – you have created a more less straw man argument for if you re read my comment there was zero fear mongering involved – in fact I pretty much applauded the choices being made by both Ezra and yourself (you actually support the same thing – the means simply vary is all – the ends remaining the same) and simply pointed out that you are either unwilling or unable to connect the dots and draw logical conclusions with regards to your own views on the topic. The importation of even moderate Muslims (and others that embrace social conservatism) in too large a quantity runs the risk of changing Canada’s culture demographic from one of secular liberalism to one of religious conservatism (unchecked and uncontrolled entrance of refugees of unknown origin and religious or political belief is simply irresponsible – the RCMP and their intelligence wings will tell you so – as will any degree of common sense).

Your constant repetition of these asinine ‘talking points’ (you are fear mongering etc) and your inability to debate in a logical and intellectually honest fashion betrays your true purpose – which is not to have an intellectual conversation on the topic – but rather to disrupt any conversation at all – to redirect, misdirect and and otherwise prevent any kind of rational discussion from taking place in the first place. This makes you one of three things: either you are a troll – self directed or otherwise, an idiot or a computer program that cannot operate outside of a given set of parameters. I’m going with option A as your behaviour here is so consistent and so predictable that it us unlikely you are anything else.
commented 2015-09-29 10:17:37 -0400
Just to be clear, Token: there are some exceptionally stupid, ignorant, or vicious folks who post to this site. I don’t really care when they call me an “idiot” or a “traitor” – it’ seems to be the way they converse. I had the impression you knew better than that; it seems not, and that is regrettable, and disappointing, that you prefer grandstanding to a peanut gallery of cretins to having an actual discussion. Enough.
commented 2015-09-29 10:09:26 -0400
Too tired of this kind of bullshit, Token, Paul. Seriously.
commented 2015-09-29 09:58:47 -0400
Calling it as I see it Terry. I say this is a Canadian tradition that Canadians shouldn’t be so damn happy about it being subverted to accommodate an imported cultural minority. You’re either Canadian or your not – which is it? A person who is coming here should be happy to, and by all accounts everyone is, so why does anyone want to change what makes us Canadian to accommodate the culture they left? There’s nothing unreasonable about that kind of discussion – if you want to be Canadian, act like a Canadian and not like an immigrant. Once you take the oath, you’re no longer an immigrant; you’re a citizen the same as everyone else. Are you for Canada and Canadians or are you for people remaining hyphenated Canadians and immigrants perpetually? I say being Canadian means defending the traditions that make us Canadian, not being cheerleaders for every little custom that wanna-be Canadians want to change our traditions to something they are bringing with them. It’s stupid to support this because it undermines our national identity, and yes, like I said before, a little bit traitorous. Pick a side, Terry. Maybe this time pick our side instead of the muslims just for the sake of not coming across as supporting something the Harper people like.
commented 2015-09-29 07:15:52 -0400
Token – I’m really sorry, but I’m sick of being accused of stupidity, and now treason, for trying to actually have a reasonable discussion on a divisive issue. Why the hell do you do that??
commented 2015-09-29 02:32:32 -0400
Idiots (you know who you are): You`re not getting this, and you are incapable of getting this, because you are both collectivists. By nature you just don`t quite get nationalism as good as capitalists. I`ve tried this before with no success, but WTH, might as well try again: the Canadian citizenship ceremony is a defining moment in Canadian culture. It`s uniquely Canadian, in such a way that no other ceremony is. Sure, it`s not as unscripted or cool as, say, the highway of heroes or spontaneous anthem attempts on July first, but it`s still ours and nobody else`s. So why should we just sit back and let a culture that represents less than 5 percent of the total hijack it, to represent a foreign culture that so far doesn`t really deserve such recognition as part of a foreign culture`s traditions? I see it as mildly traitorous for any Canadian citizen to side with the argument that we should allow (encourage?) such cultural subversion. Are you fools Canadians, or are you just comfortable socialists, secure in the knowledge that everything you hold dear will be defended by someone else with the balls to do so? Consider this: give the veil this round, what`s next? Ghettos? Sharia courts? I bet there was no shortage of deniers like you guys in Detroit say, 25 or 30 years ago who said it could never, ever get that bad there. I bet there was a lot of hand wringers like you guys in Birmingham, and there`s no doubt there`s a lot of your type in the scandinavian countries you guys like to hold up as virtues of collectivism (How high is the tax rate there, anyway?) that are now known as the rape capitals of the world. You socialists are all the same; so generous with the nation`s largesse for our muslim brothers until it`s your daughter getting groomed!
commented 2015-09-29 00:56:48 -0400
Francis,

No, actually – I responded directly to your point. It’s fear mongering that you have let get into your brain and which you have spewed here.

Why is the only response from conservatives – an extreme or doomsday scenario? There is no middle ground. It goes from niqabs to Canada becoming a Muslim country and the new headquarters for terrorists. Born Canadians will all be slaves in this new revolution.

That is how you all sound.
commented 2015-09-28 23:21:47 -0400
Sorry Jimmy – Liberal suicide. Less dramatic? Perhaps not but certainly more to the point. Speaking of the point – excellent job of evading it.
commented 2015-09-28 20:05:07 -0400
LLFRU,

Don’t confuse yourself with normal conservatives.
commented 2015-09-28 20:03:59 -0400
Francis,

Thank you for the dose of fear mongering for the day. Cultural suicide – could you be any more dramatic.

LOL.
commented 2015-09-28 18:31:50 -0400
Justin Mulcair and Tommy Trudeau, along with the Media Party, all pay homage to Islam. They do this because they are all first class Cowards. They would rather give away our Country, than stand up for Canadian rights. The same could be said for our pet Troll’s, also.
commented 2015-09-28 18:03:49 -0400
Francis – well said!! Here here!!
It’s like the stupid Lefty/feminists siding with the Islamists. They think the Islamists will help them get rid of Able Bodied Anglo Saxon White Males and then they’ll be free!! Be in charge!! Umm, yeah nahh, the Muslims are bringing back the Nuclear Family – Leave it to Beaver – if not worse. Full on misogyny. The Lefty/Feminists are so stupid – like Jimmy – they have no idea that if it weren’t for the one’s they hate, they wouldn’t have any rights at all !!
commented 2015-09-28 17:18:35 -0400
@ Jimmy & Terry,

LOL! you guys are hilarious. You finally get one right and its high fives and chest bumps all around. Hoorah!

However – if we’re talking contradictions you guys might want to have a quick look in the mirror.

If you haven’t already read the article from the Unz below you should. Then you should ask yourself if what you propose in terms of immigration is logically consistent with your Liberal outlook on life?

I would hazard a guess and say that like me you too are not interested in having the more radical elements of Islam (or any other culture for that matter) slipping into our society and destroying it from the inside. I think this is the point Ezra is in general trying to make – given the company he keeps and some of the interviews he’s given I’d call that pretty much the case. So how can Ezra – a Jew – and moderate Muslims have common ground? Simple – the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Both Ezra and the moderate Muslims he associates with have what one would call “conservative values”. Which means a strong distaste for liberal/progressives in general. They believe in equal rights politically but also respect non legal conservative social norms. I would guess – given Ezra’s body of work here – that he does not promote the role of the state in enforcing these norms but would like to see a return to them socially. Russia has done this quite well and taken it a step further by allowing the proliferation of moderate Muslims within their borders along side of the existing Orthodox Christians. In fact – they have been successful enough with this ‘cultural structuring’ that common sentiment in the country has become very conservative socially – in fact so much so that it has also become so politically which has allowed Putin to marginalize gays etc without so much as a whimper from the electorate as a whole. Do you see how that worked?

In supporting the importation of moderately religious Muslims you are ensuring the gradual marginalization of the very liberal values you espouse. In short – you are committing cultural suicide whether you are aware of it or not. Fine with me mind you as I can tolerate religious conservatives but cannot tolerate smug, elitist liberals with and inability to do simple math.
commented 2015-09-28 17:07:21 -0400
Drew,

Laws are a living breathing thing – they get changed, updated and removed all the time.
commented 2015-09-28 17:05:10 -0400
Drew,

When did I apologize for it exactly? And yes, she is progressive. I have read about her extensively and seen her documentary.
commented 2015-09-28 17:03:22 -0400
Drew,

Tell me why you care? Seriously. How does any of this impact your life? Why do you give a shit about oath ceremonies? Do you follow every oath ceremony like some form of entertainment?
commented 2015-09-28 17:00:32 -0400
Jimmy gonna be funny reading your excuses for every small push they make against our laws
commented 2015-09-28 16:59:21 -0400
Jimmy she is not a progressive buddy, when did you hang out with her? She stood up to radical Islam , you apologize for it, your comments would make her sick
commented 2015-09-28 16:58:17 -0400
Christian Inkster the only good part of the GTA media supporting these fanatics is that they have the largest population of Muslims and sharia patrols will soon be happening, so the apologists can enjoy their appeasement first hand LOL
commented 2015-09-28 16:57:42 -0400
Drew,

Clearly you don’t know a thing about Malala – since we share many of the same views. By Canadian or American standards, she is a liberal/progressive.
commented 2015-09-28 16:55:40 -0400
Jimmy Da Silva it is not a choice , if you think they wear it by choice you are a fool.