November 30, 2015

"A disgrace": Man who lied about swearing oath to Queen should be charged with perjury, deported

Rebel Staff
 

A foreign man, who wanted to be a citizen in Canada, didn’t want to swear loyalty to our Queen. His name is Dror Bar-Natan. He’s an Israeli citizen.

He’s been living in Canada for years. He is paid by Canadian taxpayers. Enormous sums — not just to teach at the university of Toronto, but hundreds of thousands of dollars, maybe millions,  for research grants.

But he refuses to take the oath of citizenship because it includes loyalty to the Queen.

The Queen is on our currency. Bar-Natan sure doesn’t mind collecting our money.

And the first page of the Canadian passport he is so greedy for, starts with a letter in the Queen’s name asking the world to give any assistance to him, because the Queen is the one doing the asking.

But what Bar-Natan did is grotesque:

He wanted the money and the passport, so he swore loyalty to the queen — and then immediately said, basically, I was just kidding. Sorry, how is that not perjury?

It was bad enough when a Muslim woman from Pakistan wouldn’t take off her face-obscuring veil, called a niqab, while taking the oath of citizenship.

But this guy — he told us he was lying, he lied, and then he proved he was lying.

Are you mad? Well, I haven’t even told you the scandalous part yet. WATCH and see what I mean.

 

 

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commented 2015-12-02 11:27:40 -0500
Not that there’s anything wrong with the latest bandwagon, Ezra but maybe you could explain to the rest of us just what magically happens to Canadians, at birth, to make them loyal to the Queen? Or the country for that matter? Most babies don’t know where they are, let alone whether they’re up for allegiance, or not. Or is allegiance a ‘mystikal’ event that happens at some other time in life? And can it be as mystikally revoked if, say,somebody elects another Trudeau?

New Canadians, as far as I’m concerned are endowed with a privilege most natives never get … the opportunity to stand up in front of everybody else and swear to what they believe.

Back in the bad old days that oath-taking was done on the Bible, now another sacred text can be used or you can swear on your own good name as a decent human being. Why is it necessary to swear an oath to the titular head of the country, they change over time, why not just promise love and allegiance to Canada and its people?
commented 2015-12-02 01:19:16 -0500
He has been resident in Canada for 15 years and holds a good job. No need to deport him, but certainly no need to grant him citizenship. He should have been told to wait until he is ready.
commented 2015-12-01 21:58:47 -0500
Cathy,

Because he has done nothing illegal. Take it up with the “authorities” if this is impacting your life.
commented 2015-12-01 17:44:27 -0500
Pointing out lying is ridiculous. (mann) This is what being a Canadian in 2015 is all about? I guess when the media always lies to people, the general public gets the idea that lying is okay. Pathetic.
Getting fed up with foreigners coming to Canada and don’t want to abide by our rules. Why aren’t the authorities telling these a holes if they don’t want to follow our rules they will be deported. Need to crack down on this.
commented 2015-12-01 16:09:44 -0500
Andy,

In case you didn’t know, we live in a free country. IF I don’t want to recognize the Queen, because I think it’s ridiculous and archaic in 2015, then I have that complete right as a Canadian. So does Dror Bar-Natan.

The loyalty to the Queen part really doesn’t mean anything – it’s really just there because it sounds nice, but the important aspects of the oath are what Dror Bar-Natan will uphold as a Canadian.

People lie in court on a daily basis, so your point is ridiculous. In addition, what if someone doesn’t believe in God – the “so help you God” portion of telling the truth means nothing to that person.
commented 2015-12-01 16:00:09 -0500
SAM YOUNG commented 12 hours ago
Monarchy is a thing of the past. Monarchs only take up tax payers dollars. Countries do not have to have a royal family to function.
Like it or not we are a “constitutional monarchy” and The Queen does not take tax dollars from us, and hasn’t since Confederation. This renegade U of T professor should retake his oath sincerely or get out of our country. He obviously doesn’t understand Canada and shouldn’t be teaching our children his rhetoric. I am so sick and tired of all these whiny faction groups who want to fundamentally change that which is the greatest country in the world. If we hurt your sensibilities so bad, go back to the hell holes we saved you from. There, I said it!
commented 2015-12-01 13:54:06 -0500
This is about tradition and history, With no history there can be no future.
commented 2015-12-01 12:32:21 -0500
Not gonna lie, she’s not really OUR queen, she is and the family essentially useless. http://www.macleans.ca/…/queen-costs-us-more-than-the…/
And though our little spoiled prime minister is tossing our tax dollars around like it’s his allowance from his daddy, I’m not really for sending her any more of mine as is either. If he is swears alliegence to Canada, but isn’t a fan of the queen, I may buy this man a beer.
commented 2015-12-01 09:55:24 -0500
Recant the oath? Recant his citizenship, grants, teaching license and get the fuck out! It’s the freaks like this that are fucking up the minds of our youth.
commented 2015-12-01 09:51:43 -0500
@ Michael Mann said, "There are a million more things to be concerned about over this meaningless bullshit. "
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People need to start remembering some history.

Funny thing about that oath.

I thought about it long and hard as I flew home with my buddy Rich “Opie” Corver in a mahogany box in the hold of an Air Canada flight some years ago.

He was born in Australia and came to Canada as a child – and to join the military he had to take that oath before he could take the military oath – which is very similar.

He stood by them both – every day.

He was a heck of a pilot, a heck of a soldier and a hell of a man.

He gave his life for that oath.

Say that to me – to my face – no matter your age or your size you had better get ready ASAP to defend yourself – it is one of the few things that has no expiry date and demands honour, integrity and attention to detail.

I might add that I am not the only one that thinks that way.

A lot of good men and women came to this country – took that oath – and then eventually joined the military to give back to the country that took them in.

Many of them also gave their lives so Canadians could stand up and do many things in this country – even when we disagree – otherwise we would be speaking a different language and we would be under a different ruler today.

Marginalize the oath and you are not part of the solution – you are indeed the problem.
commented 2015-12-01 07:51:47 -0500
I wonder if Trudeau considers this obtaining your citizenship by false representation?
commented 2015-12-01 06:33:32 -0500
Good point Micheal Mann. The problem to me is the Supreme Court of Canada. These non-elected judges get to make their decisions regardless of what elected officials past and present, have put in place. The Oath of Citizenship as written, was not just one government saying what the heck, Let’s swear allegiance to our Queen. I would be interested to know if the renouncement you mentioned was part of the original act of citizenship?

The same goes for face coverings, etc. We really cling to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms as if it was sent down to us from the heavens but, I do believe that the Court’s interpretation of the Charter is based more on political correctness than an actual impartial assessment of a given case.
commented 2015-12-01 04:34:24 -0500
Yes Sam… Monarchies may or may not be things of the past but until Canadians as a MAJORITY vote to negate our “constitutional monarchy” it is the law of the land and you as a Canadian citizen have to obey that… You are a Canadian citizen I take it, or just another landed immigrant stirring up shit and trying to skirt our laws?…
commented 2015-12-01 03:42:24 -0500
Monarchy is a thing of the past. Monarchs only take up tax payers dollars. Countries do not have to have a royal family to function. I just love how the French put their royals through the guillotine.

Vive le france sans le roi!
commented 2015-12-01 02:28:30 -0500
I agree. Deport the jerk. We have too many university professors in Canada anyway!
commented 2015-12-01 01:14:18 -0500
Isn’t swearing allegiance to the Queen, swearing allegiance to Canada? It happens to be how we do it here. If you don’t like it don’t come. This guy should be turfed, he has neglected to be truthful, he has not sworn allegiance to Canada. How can he be allowed to stay? We don’t want people who don’t want to be Canadian. We don’t want people to become citizens who want to change the way we do things, and expect us to like it.
Its not very polite, eh!
commented 2015-12-01 00:47:26 -0500
I hope Michael Manns doctor takes his or her oaths more seriously.
commented 2015-12-01 00:40:13 -0500
What the hell is wrong our court system and people like Dror Ben-Natan? If our court system can include some kind of escape clause in the oath to the monarchy then it becomes invalid and should be removed altogether. This individual is a highly paid professor. What a joke. Can you imagine his teaching methods where he might leave out a key piece of information because he disagrees with it. My sympathy goes out to our country as our courts are becoming misguided and all of the students of this so called professor.
commented 2015-12-01 00:08:02 -0500
Michael said, “I didn’t write this:
The court found that all citizens have the right to espouse anti-monarchist views and new Canadians could publicly disavow what they consider to be the message conveyed by the oath.
This is the actual position of the courts and the law.”

And what I posted, “the purpose of the oath is not to compel expression, but to obtain a commitment to our form of government from those writing to become Canadian citizens. If there is a violation of the appellants’ rights to freedom of expression, it is justified.”, was an actual quote from the SCoC court judge, not my words.
commented 2015-11-30 23:50:29 -0500
Although this is another example of someone demonstrating his moral superiority over the rest of us, and I’m sure we are all impressed, if I was ever one of his students, or research funders, or colleagues or family, I would always be wondering when he is lying and when he is telling the truth.
commented 2015-11-30 23:16:29 -0500
Hey, not to worry!… Using the Michael Mann logic, anybody can swear to tell the truth in court proceedings; lie, and then turn around and say “Didn’t really mean it, eh”"… Evidently oaths are only for those fools who follow them … What a “wonderful” precedent this sets for the judicial system… And activist judges have only themselves to blame for years of “clever judgements” trying to turn day into night…
commented 2015-11-30 23:15:19 -0500
The judge should be charged with conspiracy to commit perjury.
commented 2015-11-30 22:44:32 -0500
Yes he knowingly lied when he took the oath. He should be deported (preferably to Gaza) Also the judge that gave the advice of using his right as a citizen to renounce it should be booted from the court
commented 2015-11-30 22:44:31 -0500
Peter,

I didn’t write this:

The court found that all citizens have the right to espouse anti-monarchist views and new Canadians could publicly disavow what they consider to be the message conveyed by the oath.

This is the actual position of the courts and the law.
commented 2015-11-30 22:29:09 -0500
I was jusst over at the CBC site and expressed my view on what I thought about this and was censured and blocked AGAIN. I was polite and did not use abusive language just expressed my opinion and they banned. This is a regular occurance over there. If something is against their opinion they block you.
My post did not go through but at least the people who do the vetting can reead my comments and I told them they should come over to the Rebel where we have free speech where truth is heard and the readership is going to catch up to them.
commented 2015-11-30 22:28:49 -0500
I’m sure Israel is pleased to be rid of that crackpot.
commented 2015-11-30 22:19:43 -0500
That Canadian Judge need s dam good awakening jolt as well – how seriously does he take the the citizenship of patrioticy to Canada when he is in agreement to this man informing him that he has perjured himself inside this judges courtroom – but wants his citizenship under a different scenario of being to to trash his allegiance to the Quuen as a Canadian citizen and this jusge has advocated this!
This is why things are going downhill in Canada!
commented 2015-11-30 22:04:35 -0500
Michael, I am allowed to express my opinion and I did not say that my opinion was law, so please drop your condescending attitude.
commented 2015-11-30 22:03:34 -0500
Michael said, "The court found that all citizens have the right to espouse anti-monarchist views and new Canadians could publicly disavow what they consider to be the message conveyed by the oath. "

Wrong. The Supreme court of Canada Superior Justice Karen Weiler stating “the purpose of the oath is not to compel expression, but to obtain a commitment to our form of government from those writing to become Canadian citizens. If there is a violation of the appellants’ rights to freedom of expression, it is justified.”

That means Dror Ben-Natan would have to prove that swearing the oath to the Queen “violated his rights to freedom of expression.”

What part of that do you not understand?