September 18, 2015

Mulcair or Trudeau: Which lefty leader will be chosen to take them into battle on election day?

Brian LilleyRebel Co-Founder
 

When the Federal party leaders gathered in Calgary for the Globe & Mail debate, you might have thought the opposition party leaders would gang up on the local guy, Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

Instead, Mulcair and Trudeau spent most of the evening taking shots at each other.

What's developing is a fight for the votes on the left as the Liberals and the NDP have figured they have the best chance of stealing votes from each other.

One of the party's on the left has to go down which means we're in for a very interesting couple of weeks on the campaign trail.

 

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commented 2015-09-22 16:42:59 -0400
Terry… still with us?… I thought you had kissed this thread, quote, “Bye, bye”?….
commented 2015-09-22 06:50:54 -0400
Jay: I’m thinking the Conservatives will score between 30 and 33%, depending on the next three weeks. Their strategy at this point appears to be threefold: stay on message, focus the attack on the Liberals, and hope that the remaining parties split the vote. There’s nothing in that strategy to increase their share significantly, but it might be enough to win a minority. Which leaves the opportunity for a breakout position the hands of the NDP and Liberals.
commented 2015-09-22 01:21:07 -0400
I am a bit surprised that Brian Lilley of all people is saying this is now between the Liberals and the NDP. If the Conservatives were a bit creative or daring they could still pull ahead. The Conservatives problem is spending millions of dollars attacking Trudeau, which yielded nothing, and then emphasizing things like a woman’s face-covering which just draws out the bigoted extreme of the party and shrinks its support back to the core of less than 30%.
commented 2015-09-21 17:38:00 -0400
And now a stock usenet retort. Oh, dear. Bye bye, Andy.
commented 2015-09-21 15:38:01 -0400
Your limited vocabulary is showing…
commented 2015-09-21 07:22:26 -0400
Naw. String of clichés.
commented 2015-09-21 02:34:43 -0400
Terry…. “Cliches”?… Don’t you wish…. Everything can be “dissed” as a cliche given that the 28,000 or so common words of the English language are repeated daily for people to communicate… But there is nothing cliche about identifying leftie arrogance – i.e., that ONLY THEY know what is “best” for all of us – as a dangerous and anti-democratic conceit…
commented 2015-09-20 20:02:34 -0400
W.A.C. Bennett used to call the NDP the New Depression Party. Back then I didn’t know why. I do now. It is.
commented 2015-09-20 17:09:27 -0400
If Liberal and NDP want to knock each other out, I wish them both success.
commented 2015-09-20 17:07:14 -0400
“True debate is impossible with those type of people.” OR rephrased. “You cannot reason with the unreasonable”
commented 2015-09-20 09:50:56 -0400
Andy, you have it correct.

From all that I have observed on multiple sites, both left leaning and right leaning, is that generally the new style of liberalism/progressivism/socialism the ends justifies the means; to lie, cheat and obfuscate, so long as it has the desired outcome. And all of what they say comes across as arrogany “know-it-all-how-dare-you-disagree-with-me” attitude.

We see this same behaviour even among the lefties that post here on this site.

They do not seem to have any problems lying or obfuscating and when challenged they repost their lie(s) reworded, post anger and insults or simply ignore the challenge.

True debate is impossible with those type of people.
commented 2015-09-20 08:27:57 -0400
Andy: with respect, Andy, that’s a string of clichés.
commented 2015-09-20 03:31:12 -0400
Terry… The “unifying thread” of The Left is that they all believe that THEY, above us lesser mortals, “know what is best for all of us.”… And to accomplish their goals they think it is quite valid – to use Lenin’s maxim – to lie, cheat, obfuscate, and use whatever means necessary – to achieve their dominance… Those of us, on The Right, would suggest that such godlike arrogance is a mental derangement and contra the fundamentals of democracy and the right to free thought… But then I’m just an old geezer who believes millions gave their lives over the past 100 years to defend my right to be Right…
commented 2015-09-19 22:48:22 -0400
Yes. I will change my name if I knew how. Post this 3X.
commented 2015-09-19 22:24:44 -0400
PLEASE — Post this twice,
commented 2015-09-19 22:24:44 -0400
PLEASE — Post this twice,
commented 2015-09-19 22:13:44 -0400
Sorry. I got caught up in the moment. Hate when I do that.
commented 2015-09-19 22:13:44 -0400
Sorry. I got caught up in the moment. Hate when I do that.
commented 2015-09-19 22:11:48 -0400
For 30 years or more I hoped that some gov’t would bring in income splitting for families . This MORON would have you believe that this benefits rich people. He will negate it. If you work for a living and want to have kids—- this is possibly one of the best pieces of Legislation that the Tories have put in place. It means nothing to the rich, And Less to Justin.
commented 2015-09-19 22:11:48 -0400
For 30 years or more I hoped that some gov’t would bring in income splitting for families . This MORON would have you believe that this benefits rich people. He will negate it. If you work for a living and want to have kids—- this is possibly one of the best pieces of Legislation that the Tories have put in place. It means nothing to the rich, And Less to Justin.
commented 2015-09-19 20:10:28 -0400
Good. The Lefties are fighting. That vote will be split. Good.
commented 2015-09-19 19:37:53 -0400
I couldn’t in good conscience vote for either of the socialists, knowing they will increase taxes, erode our rights and freedoms and remove our ability to make our own choices, not to mention their intent to re-criminalize innocent sportsmen and women with another useless gun registry. Not only that, neither of these two clowns recognize the danger presented by terrorists which is further increased by withdrawing our troops. Not only that, they will be putting our security and safety at risk, through open door immigration policies. Both these two are a danger to the rights and freedoms of all Canadians as far as I’m concerned.
commented 2015-09-19 15:32:13 -0400
I could never vote for either of these 2 Liars. Mulcair is crafty and devious enough to realize that many voters don’t care -and Justin is so stupid that he doesn’t even know that he is lying. If forced to pick , under pain of death, one of these 2 Liars then —it would have the be the one that Kathleen Wynne does Not support. Katlhleen will pick the most indecisive ,spineless idiot that she feels she can control and indoctrinate.
commented 2015-09-19 14:53:30 -0400
Re-Kenneth Lawrence, “Harper should focus on waking up Canadians to the danger of an NDP federal government”.
I think Harper is trying his best. Understandably, most Canadians do not have time to dwell on Politics in depth. Most think that they are getting responsible and objective reporting . After giving $1.1 Billion a year to the CBC, Canadians think they are getting the truth. They don’t know that an NDP director is partner(Homosexual) to a very frequent commentator on the CBC. They don’t know that Michael Spratt, who comments on the CBC has a wife running for the NDP. They block PMSH from making his points. This is called propaganda. An NDP government will be extremely dangerous. Look at Greece.

Re-Sheldon Berg, “My criticism is moving more and more towards the Canadian voter.”
Respectfully I disagree. For the reasons above, you should direct your criticism towards the media. I am sure many Canadian don’t know the truth about the Fin Donnelly story.
commented 2015-09-19 14:30:05 -0400
Lilley’s analysis only holds if your world view is so simple you believe there’s a semi-homogeneous something out there called “THE” left, and that it’s somehow experiencing some kind of internal division. That’s a pretty childlike worldview.
If LIlley’s imaginary “THE” left includes the NDP, the Liberals, the Bloc, the Greens, the Communist Party and other fringe groups, then “THE” left represent both a significant majority of Canadians, AND a range and diversity of political views and approaches so disparate that it’s hard to see much of a unifying thread. The Conservative based has been reduced pretty much to its core, a steady 30% or so of the electorate.
commented 2015-09-19 10:22:30 -0400
they are finally realizing the core of CPC is steady, and they are going after undecided who they believe won’t vote CPC and thus will give them the lift to a majority?
commented 2015-09-19 07:40:01 -0400
" If the left can’t figure out who to rally behind, expect Harper to get a majority."

Well then, let’s hope, then, that the left cannot figure out who to rally behind.
commented 2015-09-19 06:20:56 -0400
This will be the main battle going into the election. After watching the Tories and Wildrose split the vote and the NDP sneaking into power in Alberta, Mulcair and Trudeau will fight tooth and nail. Because if one of them can pull away, they not only have a chance of forming government, but forming a majority government. If the left can’t figure out who to rally behind, expect Harper to get a majority.
commented 2015-09-19 01:06:54 -0400
I very much appreciate Sheldon Berg’s observation about the insight of the Canadian voter, or lack of it !, and what that portends either in the coming election, or Canadian politics down the road… It is ironic that in this age of the internet and twitter and facebook and a dozen other gimmicky variations, what should be an informed electorate, bar non, is anything but… I blame that in large part on the news media which has strayed so far from an objective reporting of the news in the 1950s and 1960s, to a now obviously partisan portrayal of reality… As a former journalist I personally observed the emergence of “advocacy” journalism during the Vietnam War years and from there on it has become more and more blatant, uncontrolled, and even DELIBERATE… What purports to be “hard news” these days is anything but, and bias and spin is interwoven into virtually every facet of "reporting’… And the cute fashion of using “commentary” to promote bias seems to dominate the ratio of hard news to opinion… (The National Post’s drift in the past year being a prime example) So it is no wonder that after four decades of this drift in Canadian news of “anything goes”, the average consumer can no longer differentiate fact from propaganda… Thank heavens that the general tone of The Rebel commentary indicates that most of us are getting off the pot and taking the extra time to really research the issues, and not be sheep…