April 24, 2015

Alberta election: NDP surges post debate

Marc PatroneRebel Commentator

NDP Leader Rachel Notley was back in Calgary where polls suggest her party has a legitimate shot at winning a seat -- and possibly more.

One day after what some analysts say was a victory in the all-candidates debate in Edmonton, Notley hosted a raucous rally for supporters.
She's calling on party faithful to launch an all out push heading into the May 5th vote, going as far to suggest Albertans have the first real alternative to the PCs in a generation.
She also took a shot at PC leader Jim Prentice's statement earlier in the day that Alberta is not an NDP province.
"I think Albertans will decide what kind of province Alberta is. I think Jim Prentice telling them what they are or not is probably not helpful in terms of having people move away from thinking he's a little arrogant.
"What Albertans are telling me is a province where their views are respected. Protect our health care, protect our education, ask those who can afford to to pay a little bit more," says Notley.

Prentice says NDP economic policies are not consistent with Albertan's deep appreciation for free market capitalism. 

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commented 2015-04-27 00:41:27 -0400
I, and my young family were refugees from the “People’s Republic of BC”, at that time also Mark B.. Spent almost 15 years in Alberta before moving back. My next move may be to Sask.
commented 2015-04-25 20:14:06 -0400
Michael — while I enjoy your description (happy babies, unicorns) of why “lefties” (to use an overgeneralized term) disagree with us, I think it’s more basic than that. They don’t work from logic and experience; they work from idealism and emotion. So, when contradicted, or when faced with data that doesn’t suit their position, first they get loud. They try to drown you out. Second, they resort to labelling/marginalizing (witness Wynne calling the parents that oppose her “education program” “homophobic”). Third, they resort to the most basic of emotional reactions — insults and profanity. All of it is a result of insufficient data with which to clearly state and support their position(s). So if they’re opposed/contradicted, they react with emotion, because there’s no data.

While I agree with SOME of their ideals, practicality rules. Margaret Thatcher is quoted saying, “The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of someone else’s money.” The former Soviet Union, Greece, Spain, France, hell — even New Zealand all show the results of socialism. Nearly all collapsed, and New Zealand had to declare bankruptcy and restructure its national finances (and then, within a few years of getting its fiscal house in order, was right back in the same position…)
But the “lefties” will not see this.

Too bad for them, I guess…
commented 2015-04-25 19:57:30 -0400
Michael Doll – “If they “know” that you’re evil because you disagree with them, why should they engage with you?”

Hah! That’s a good point!

“If the word “us” above is bolded, then the command you’ll want to type in in greater than and less than brackets isn’t “strong”, it’s just the letter “b” (to apply and remove bold).”

Yea, HTML code does not seem to work. I think I will do some research to find out what editor TheRebel is using.
commented 2015-04-25 19:56:32 -0400
By the way, I left BC in ‘97, shortly after a provincial election where the “right-wing” vote was supposedly split, and the NDP got elected for their 2nd consecutive term. I left with no property to sell, no family to relocate; just me. "I didn’t vote for you beggars [NDP], I’m not supporting you, Dosvidanya!" Without planning it, I was among the leading edge of a wave of people (thousands) that left BC. (BC was scrambling and worried when that happened… the headlines were along the lines of, “How do we get these people to stay???”)

The running joke among my coworkers, for the first two years I lived in Alberta, was that I was a political refugee from the People’s Republic of BC (they weren’t far wrong…). People in BC still hate the NDP (witness the polls versus the results of BC’s last election). Anybody responsible citizen who’s ever lived under an NDP government will tell you this. The ones that support NDP are either idealists, freeloaders, or they have no clue about the realities.
commented 2015-04-25 19:53:29 -0400
Mark, I just typed in the <strong></strong> hoping that HTML code around the word would make it bold. But the asterisk makes it bold. Cool, thanks
commented 2015-04-25 19:46:32 -0400
Peter, that bold was a fluke. I was attempting to put some kind of symbol around the word to emphasize the word, and it didn’t come out as intended. What I did do was put an asterisk immediately in front and behind the word and/or punctuation (no spaces), and that’s how it came out… What did you do to get the “<strong>”?</strong>
commented 2015-04-25 19:14:06 -0400
Hi Peter, I wasn’t meaning to imply that those on the left are devils, that would contradict my “they’re misguided” comments. What I was trying to say is that they might be viewing <b>us</b> as devils. If we don’t agree with their policies then we must be mean-hearted because we don’t want unicorns to be happy, therefore we must be evil. That’s why they can do or say anything against us, because we obviously hate puppies and want babies to cry. If they can silence us evil people and force us to do things their way, then the babies will be happy. Don’t you like happy babies? That’s my take on why it’s difficult for them to engage us in a rational manner.

You, on the other hand, are treating them as though they are misguided, and trying to talk to them sensibly. If they “know” that you’re evil because you disagree with them, why should they engage with you? You’ll just be trying to turn them to evil. It’s only if you encounter someone who views you as misguided (as opposed to evil) that discussion can occur. I wish you luck in finding them, I haven’t been very successful in that regards.

If the word “us” above is bolded, then the command you’ll want to type in in greater than and less than brackets isn’t “strong”, it’s just the letter “b” (to apply and remove bold).
commented 2015-04-25 17:27:06 -0400
Dave, maybe that will put a nail in her political coffin. Here’s hoping.
commented 2015-04-25 17:25:05 -0400
I just heard on the radio and read in Calgary Herald that Notley doesn’t support pipelines to export bitumen. She may as well pack it in if she can’t at least support the driver of Alberta’s economy and the jobs it creates.
commented 2015-04-25 17:23:33 -0400
Okay, I give. How do you bold words, Mark?
commented 2015-04-25 17:22:37 -0400
Mark Borzel, I have a family member that I wish would read your comments. I don’t think he really listens to his uncle very much. He’ll probably vote NDP.

Michael Doll – “You don’t try to convince the devil, you fight against him tooth and claw.”

Though I don’t think I would call the left wingers “devils”, I would say their philosophy in life is heavily influenced that way. I think they can be reasoned with … well some of the less extreme ones, in any case. As to whether those rude and insulting ones that post here can be reasoned with, well I am unsure at this point, but I like to extend the offer of a debate to them.

I have offered this to “Fecal Point” several times now, but have yet to be taken up on the challenge. <strong>Perhaps he feel inadequate to the challenge</strong>.
commented 2015-04-25 16:39:12 -0400
Debates are all about style and showmanship; very little of substance is brought forth with these debates. The various “books” (red, blue, whatever) that the parties plan to govern by are the “substance” of the party. Only one party of the 4 or 5 possibles (if you include the Alberta Party) have any form of fiscal responsibility whatsoever.

If I ran my business like the Liberals, or PCs, or shudder! NDP would run this province, I’d be bankrupted, shut down, and forever paying off debt.
commented 2015-04-25 16:36:10 -0400
Fecal: are you honestly saying that the NDP in Alberta is NOT in any way, shape, or form, related to any other provincial NDP governments? If so, then you are unfortunately showing your ignorance. They ARE related — if in ideology, if nothing else. This ideology is: spend, spend, spend, tax, tax, tax. They have no clue of fiscal responsibility. They are ditherers to the core; they are consumate politicians — “NEVER make a concrete decision that somebody could pick a fight with.” In BC, when they were in power, they were advised of a pine beetle infestation in a provincial park, and that it could spread outside that park. Did they take action? No. They were afraid of the yelling the “conservationists” would make, and so let the pine beetle spread — to the detriment of BC’s forest industry. INDIRECTLY, sawmills harvesting these dead trees had to deal with dry wood instead of wet — with the sawdust exploding and killing employees (Burns Lake, Prince George). Moreover, the NDP nearly destroyed BC’s economy, and DID increase the provincial debt astronomically.

This fiscal action was repeated in Ontario under Bob Rae, before Mike Harris took power and reversed the trend (before himself being reversed by Dalton McGuinty). This action was repeated in Nova Scotia. This action is being repeated right now in Manitoba. This action was repeated in Saskatchewan (pre- Brad Wall) to the point that Saskatchewan had to declare bankruptcy, and had Ottawa bail them out.

Are you honestly saying that the NDP in Alberta would be any different? Don’t delude or deceive yourself.

I double-dog dare you to run YOUR finances the way the NDP runs theirs, and to do it for 4 years, or even 8. And then you tell me what shape you’re in, and how good a job they do. (I’ll visit you in debtor’s prison.)
commented 2015-04-25 16:23:05 -0400
Regardless of the Election Hype from Rachel Notley – I would like to remind everyone that NDP stands for “No Dads Party” in that they are as Feminist (or posssibly even more so) than the Liberals. That means Men are a “problem” to be solved.

That means MORE money for Womesn DV Shelters, Provincially-funded “Foster” families (who are usually single mothers by design who then imprint their poor choices on the hapless children under their neglectful “care”) – and anything that weakens mens desire to parent – causing another chain-reaction of problems.
commented 2015-04-25 15:25:39 -0400
Peter – Conservatives tend to value experience over the intent of ideas. We look at where things have been tried before and what the results were. Progressives / Liberals tends to value the intent of ideas more. What will happen is less important than what can happen.

Part of this spills over into how we look at each other. We conservatives look at liberals as being misguided, and we think that if we can explain why their suggestions won’t work, they’ll back down (which is part of why conservative politicians come across as lecturers). Liberals look at conservatives as people who don’t want the good results of their intentions (because they, individually, are so smart that there can’t be any unintended consequences). Since we don’t want the good results, we’re evil. You don’t try to convince the devil, you fight against him tooth and claw.
commented 2015-04-25 11:23:02 -0400
Just a general question for those people that are regular commentors on this site:

Does anyone know why that those who post here that oppose the general view points of the regulars here are so vile and hateful with their posts? They post swear words and insults at us all because they do not agree with the regulars here. Is there even one new person that has opposing view points that has not posted here with all the anger and hate?

Just askin’.
commented 2015-04-25 11:12:43 -0400
Fecal Point – “The Alberta NDP isn’t anywhere close to its federal or other provincial counterparts, especially since they’ve gone on record in supporting the XL pipeline.”

What they say and what they do would be two different things. They have never held office in Alberta so we have no comparison, so all we can go by is the example the NDP have set in other provinces. Their philosophy will be the same as their provincial counterparts.

Fecal Point – “I dread the possibility of a Tory re-election”

On this we can agree.

Fecal Point – “I trust Wildrose even less with their track record …”

I agree that they have had some intolerant people, however all parties both provincial and federal have some party members that have odd points of view. The Wildrose deserves a chance, imo, and they are the only Conservative alternative.

Fecal Point – “More blither-blather from the peanut gallery . . .” and "As for the hicks on this page . . . "

I understand that you loath Conservative and the people that post here. That much is clear. There are people other than you and FreeThinker that post here that I don’t exactly like either, but I try to treat them with respect.

If you are as superior in intellect compared to the general group of people that post here as you claim, then why can you not drop the insults and just post your opposing arguments?

All the regulars here seem to like to post well thought out CIVILIZED arguments and rebuttals. I am sure you would find us “intellectually challenged redneck hicks” at least a temporary amusing diversion to your intellectually superiority.
commented 2015-04-25 11:03:05 -0400
Fecal, you cannot be “10% pregnant”. It is not like real life works. Everything is dynamic process. In Alberta politics we have decay or (dynamic process) from pseudo conservative PC to relative strength of NDP you obviously like.
Just a reminder of wisdom of Ayn Rand:
“The difference between a Welfare State and a Totalitarian State is a matter of time”.
commented 2015-04-25 10:56:44 -0400
Joan Abernethy – “An NDP government could devastate your economy and make you Ontario’s equal. You might end up depending on Canada.”

I just wanted to corret your statement, if I may:

“An NDP government WOULD devastate your economy and make you Ontario’s equal. You might end up depending on Canada. "
commented 2015-04-25 10:47:14 -0400
Comparing the North Korea regime to the Alberta NDP is like comparing a Rhodes scholar to a redneck.
commented 2015-04-25 10:28:23 -0400
Fical, you probably have a need to live for a while in North Korea for “diversity” you are looking for. And why socialists/ communists often covered under fake names like Lenin, Trotsky, Fecal Point for a change… 
commented 2015-04-25 10:03:46 -0400
More blither-blather from the peanut gallery that once again refuses to do its homework. The Alberta NDP isn’t anywhere close to its federal or other provincial counterparts, especially since they’ve gone on record in supporting the XL pipeline. I dread the possibility of a Tory re-election, given Prince Prentice’s arrogance and condescension, especially with his ill-conceived “math is hard.” remark. I trust Wildrose even less with their track record of displaying a Machiavellian intolerance towards citizens who don’t fit their cookie-cutter mould of what an ordinary Albertan should be. As for the hicks on this page hankering for “old-style Conservatism,” that flies in the face of diversity, and no meat ‘n’ potato foothillbilly would ever put up with that.
commented 2015-04-25 08:51:52 -0400
Pride cometh before a fall, as the old adage advises. Those Albertans losing jobs, homes, families, a future don’t appreciate meanness. Be careful, Alberta. An NDP government could devastate your economy and make you Ontario’s equal. You might end up depending on Canada.

Alberta’s unemployed need a break from the vicious wars driving down oil prices. Blame the real culprits, not your neighbours.
commented 2015-04-25 00:39:52 -0400
I just did a survey. For my main concern, I said, “Equalization”. This was the statement; I’ve added the results I got after doing the survey:
Strongly disagree – Alberta Party, Green Party
Somewhat disagree – NDP, Liberal Party
Somewhat agree – PC Party
Strongly agree – Wildrose Party (and me)
This tells us who’ll be looking out for Alberta’s interests and who absolutely won’t.
commented 2015-04-24 22:39:13 -0400
Well, one thing is for sure … if the NDP get into office or even the very Liberal PC party, the main stream media will be “peeing their pants” with excited celebration because they want nothing more than to push their left wing agenda on the most stalwart Conservative stronghold remaining in Canada. That would be a big coo for them. They would crow about it for months. They would not care that either of those two parties will drive Alberta into the dirt, making us economically destitute.

What a bloody self centered uncaring left wing main stream media we have here in Canada. Watch as the last few days before the Alberta election they will air program after program, article after article falsely painting a narrative that the Wildrose is an extremist right wing “drive_Alberta_back_into_the_stone_age” party, just like they did last election. Grrrrrrrr
commented 2015-04-24 22:16:38 -0400
NDP Government in Alberta would be the result (or decay) of pseudo conservative PC to keep real principals and values this province built on. It would be the result of decay or socialization of the West as a whole starting from Europe, then Obama USA and now Alberta.
This is dangerous trend to be reversed at least locally here in our home – Alberta. I hope we (“old style” conservatives) still can win against the odds.
commented 2015-04-24 21:34:23 -0400
Interesting that most (?) truly conservative leaders (by policy, not by label) tend to sound clinical, robotic, and “lifeless”. Interesting that they’re stating concrete policy and facts, and are not getting swept away in the fervor of the moment. Hudak, Manning, Jean… could this be considered a conservative “trait”? Could it be that Charisma is a facade for emptiness? A vote for NDP is a protest vote (we all know that… besides the true socialist die-hards that tend to reside in political capitals…). But will this “protest” help, or severely damage our province?
commented 2015-04-24 19:52:14 -0400
Typical PC liberal arrogance by Prentice and typical NDP socialist blather by Notley. The only choice for a free prosperous Alberta is a lower taxing, lower spending Wild Rose government.
commented 2015-04-24 19:43:59 -0400
I am not sure about “scrappy”, but I am sure about rude, disrespectful and truculent. She sounded like a shrill and frankly because of these “qualities” I personally had to change the channel after she tried to talk again and again over one of the other leaders. The “qualities” she displayed are not those of a leader, but of a bully. Feisty is one thing, but she crossed over the line to just plain aggressive and rude.