November 21, 2015

New study: "Green" organic pesticides are actually KILLING the bees they were supposed to protect

Ezra LevantRebel Commander
 

In recent years, radical environmentalists like David Suzuki have said that the bees are disappearing — dying off because of evil capitalism and all our pesticides.

These people remind me of 9/11 Truthers. They can’t change their mind and they won’t change the subject.

As we showed you in this video here, bee colonies are doing just fine.

Now a new study shows that so-called organic pesticides, the stuff all these enviro-nuts told us to use instead, still kill bees.

All the home remedies, the quackery — garlic eucalyptus oil, citronella oil — not only kill bees, but they don’t work as well as "evil" pesticides.

How about we move on from the fake bee crisis, with the fake bee solutions, and focus on real problems.

 

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commented 2015-11-23 11:22:56 -0500
I never mentioned “global warming”, just that it doesn’t get as cold as it did 30 years ago. This is an observation, not a theory. Even without human influences the climate operates on a number of short and long term cycles. Give the paranoia a rest. The fact is that the pine beetles were limited by harsher winters that have not occurred in some number of years, among other influences (yes, fire suppression plays a role too, but that’s been ongoing for over 100 years, it’s doubtful that it would suddenly pose a problem now).

It hundreds of years for the natural succession process to reach its apex. Initial founder populations of trees grow in 30 years if deliberately planted, but the forest continues to mature for several generations of trees. Human reforestation projects are intended to generate tree cover as fast as possible to control erosion and/or a subsequent harvest and are about as natural as a corn field. In the coastal rainforests, the natural succession process can take 2500 years to achieve an apex community.
commented 2015-11-23 10:28:44 -0500
Sorry Andrew, the pine beetle is not a manifestation of ‘global warming’. It is a manifestation of a natural cycle to rejuvenate forests. This cycle has been in existence for centuries. The pine beetles prune out a forest of trees of a certain age and above, leaving the younger trees. The pine beetles then die off themselves, and the younger trees re-establish a healthy forest, until the next cycle when the forest has aged. If you go through the forests that were hit earlier, you will see that is the case.

Probably the biggest contributing factor to the extensiveness of the recent major blight was that forest fires, which usually play the rejuvenation role, are controlled for commercial and residential reasons; but that is just a guess on my part.

Anyway, it is only about 50-100 years and not a 1000 years of evolution before we have our forests back. This is good, because after evolution we will have a GMO which would need to go through the socialist science political hoops to enter the country.
commented 2015-11-23 09:00:47 -0500
Drew, what can we do about the pine beetles? The winters stopped being cold enough to kill them and prevent them from moving northwards into BC. There is nothing you can do, beyond waiting. In a thousand years or so, resistant species will move north. This sort of thing is an inevitability of relatively slow response rates by forests to changing weather patterns.
commented 2015-11-23 02:37:49 -0500
Andrew it would be nice if these green kooks would just admit they were wrong like with the pine beetle in BC. They washed their hands of that one quite easily ,that was a disaster both economical and environmental.
commented 2015-11-22 12:24:24 -0500
Regarding pesticides,insecticides, apparently there are some that fight the parasites. Timing , such as not spraying when bees are active and plants are in flower seems to be an important factor when using these chemicals. Apparently they can ‘sometimes’ be beneficial and not necessarily dangerous to bees if used responsibly. I would imagine that applies to any natural concoction also. Wiki has a chart of the different chemicals and application recommendations, toxicity and those that are banned etc. which seem to indicate some level of safety with responsible application methods.
commented 2015-11-22 09:02:58 -0500
I’m not sure about this, I only know what I see first hand. I am a big gardener, veggies and flowers and I usually have hordes of big fat bees playing in my flowers, so much that I take videos of them cause they are so interesting and cool. Last year I might have seen 2 or 3 bees in total. Very weird. Maybe it’s just cyclic…..I shall be watching next summer…..
commented 2015-11-22 08:25:20 -0500
The phony bee crisis was manufactured to be another attack on the agri industry, just as the GMO scam is. Or the climate change scam against the energy industry. Or the attacks against the cattle industry using the climate scam, and the attacks against the forest industry, and mining industry. They all have one thing in common. They are all industries that create original wealth.
commented 2015-11-22 00:56:37 -0500
Guy Fraser – Northern Alberta is not the best example, agricultural practices in the western prairies differ significantly from those in areas where colony collapse is an issue. In particular, the pesticides sometimes implicated in CCD aren’t heavily used in this part of the world, and the severe winters tend to limit the impact of diseases.
commented 2015-11-21 23:58:39 -0500
On the issue of colony collapse disorder Ezra is full of fecal matter and subscribing to the same junk science he condemns for the AGW fraud. No it isn’t Neonics or Mother Jones herbal mixtures – research points to a number of viral infections spread by contact with bee parasites. The parasites (mites) flourish in warm damp climates so damp summers have the most bee deaths.
commented 2015-11-21 21:30:14 -0500
What new study? Why have you not provided references? Using Google scholar, https://scholar.google.com, such searches as ‘Green organic pesticides killing bees’, or ‘natural pesticides bee mortality’ lead to no direct studies other than recent news regarding the harmful effects of Neonicotinoids. Please provide a link to the study you are using to make this a real piece of journalism.

Thank you,
Yigal
commented 2015-11-21 21:29:29 -0500
Robert Dunning – I agree, we have truth and science, and we have already won! We just need others to catch up with us.
commented 2015-11-21 20:39:30 -0500
James Sutton – Where are the “bee keepers”, you say confirm this menace, operating? One of the two I spoke to is East of Edmonton, Alberta and the other is South of Calgary, Alberta. Neither has had any issues that were as significant as other infections historically. Any herd, flock, school or swarm can be susceptible to a contagion or toxin and on the farm, where I grew up, we had years where a flock or herd became ill and some individuals died or had to be euthanized. Maybe the “bee keepers” you spoke to were in a troubled area with some local issue because it is not affecting South or Central Alberta.
commented 2015-11-21 20:27:44 -0500
I know people who own bee farms and when I heard the doom and gloom, I asked my friends how their bees were doing. After what I heard, I was almost surprised to hear them saying they already had a bumper crop a couple months before the season was over. I say “almost surprised” because I do not believe anything the MSM has to say until I get verifiable proof from someone who is involved in the issue, and it is almost always not what is reported.
commented 2015-11-21 18:37:21 -0500
As I said on your last report, you are wrong on the bee problems, knowing bee keepers there is a problem killing bees, cause of, there is debate agreed.
commented 2015-11-21 18:26:49 -0500
the environmental lying movement are at least hilarious, and at most the biggest putrid liars on the planet. bees have smaller tongues because of global warming. Suzuki and commie slime like bll nye the lying guy will never stop. more and more people with intelligence and science are finally coming out of the woodwork to counter the garbage from these ill-informed twits, more the better guys and gals, the ELM have a head start but truth and science we have. eventually we will win.
commented 2015-11-21 18:19:15 -0500
“As an evolutionist, his research was in the area of fruit fly genetics, where he tortured thousands of fruit flies, inducing mutations trying to create new species”

Actually, the goal of creating those mutations is to determine what specific genes do. Most of our biological knowledge originates this way – the biological equivalent of smacking something with a hammer and seeing what happens… "creating new species’ has nothing to do with it. If you create a knockout and the fly doesn’t develop wings, then you’ve found a gene responsible for the formation of wings (these genes often have orthologues in vertebrates so the information is applicable to humans). Do it often enough and you can start to piece together exactly how the organism builds its body from a single cell. Even today the vast majority of research follows this model.
commented 2015-11-21 18:03:17 -0500
David Suzuki’s expertise was not bees, but another insect, fruit flies. As an evolutionist, his research was in the area of fruit fly genetics, where he tortured thousands of fruit flies, inducing mutations trying to create new species, but ended up with fruit flies – mangled, crippled fruit flies. Now he is a global warming expert. Ezra you got it wrong. It isn’t the pesticides that are killing the bees, but “global warming”. Sorry, correction “climate change”.
commented 2015-11-21 17:16:14 -0500
Glenn Craig – I guess I forgot about the birds and the bees! I’m only a citizen, not a scientist.
commented 2015-11-21 16:41:46 -0500
The notion that bees are the only polinators is bullshit…there are many places with no bees….in fact my friends organic garlic farm has had no birds and no bees ever since an internet tower was located next to it……I saw that with my own eyes ….the most busy polinators are mosquitoes….much maligned and despised…but when they can’t find blood they seek nectar. There is no such thing as a “keystone” species that is life’s only resource or alternative.
commented 2015-11-21 16:36:41 -0500
I don’t think it’s “X-files” territory to discover that something designed to kill insects, kills insects. The drama is unnecessary.

Second, please cite the actual source of the figure, so people can read the paper and come to their own conclusions (Xavier et al (2015), Acute Toxicity and Sublethal Effects of Botanical Insecticides to Honey Bees. J. Insect Science, 15(1):137.) The website cited is a secondary source, so you’re already interpreting someone else’ s interpretation, which can be rapidly distortionary. For example you might find that in the introduction section of the manuscript, they claim the purpose of the study was motivated by collapsing bee populations, something you have claimed doesn’t exist. I trust the experts on this one, as evidenced by the quote “However, in recent years, the bee population has decreased throughout the world (Lebuhn et al. 2013). Several factors have been considered as the potential causes of this decline, for instance, the use of organosynthetic pesticides (Van der Sluijs et al. 2013).” (Xavier et al 2015).

They further claim that organic pesticides are used, not because of their being safer to bees, but because they’re less environmentally persistent and toxicologically difficult, The paper presented does not substantiate claims that organic alternatives are less toxic to bees; there is no expectation of this and there is no reason to believe bees are physiologically unique among the insect world to be naturally resistant, nor has there been much research that would substantiate such claims.

In the end, whether “organics” kill bees or not, is basically irrelevant from the context of whether using standard pyrethrin or organophosphate fertilizers kill bees. That other chemicals also kill bees does not absolve the troubles of the petrochemical derived pesticides. This suggests, in fact, that a more specific form of pest control than simply spraying poison indiscriminantly regardless of its nature, is a better option. As I suggest below, biological control situations, such as those which only expose organisms actively feeding on the crops to the controlling factor, is a superior option.
commented 2015-11-21 16:17:58 -0500
Peter Toth, DDT is mostly useless against common pests, which all evolved resistance to it, and the collateral damage was too great (denial of its impacts on fish verges into the “truther” territory Mr Levant mentions; there have been no peer reviewed studies to date discrediting the claims of toxicity to pinnacle predators) Things like Bt are far more effective, non-persistent in the environment, can be genetically engineered so the plants naturally produce it instead of being sprayed, and most critically, only kill the things that actually chew on the plants.
commented 2015-11-21 16:04:12 -0500
Bring back DDT! It was banned on false data that has been proven completely wrong. The data used was falsified, and that crime has never been reported, or dealt with properly. Bring back DDT!
commented 2015-11-21 15:49:51 -0500
It’s good that frauds like David Suzuki sucker in naive/gullible Canadians.

There is no better way to learn a lesson that to have your hard earned cash taken away by someone selling you fear and anxiety.

Canadians need to grow up. Frauds like Suzuki will then eventually disappear. It doesn’t help that the Corrupt Broadcasting Corporation employs Suzuki, but many Canadians (far too many) still believe the CBC is still credible, which feeds into Suzuki’s fraudulent attitude and activities.
commented 2015-11-21 15:28:45 -0500
I think that these products have been promoted to do just that, to kill off the bees, so the enviro freaks can say that we humans are the problem. So that they can then take more steps, to control land use, and our ability to farm! Without bees there is no cross pollination!