June 05, 2015

Outrage over Newmarket bear shooting puts animals before people

Marissa SemkiwRebel Commentator

Anthony Furey and I talk about the controversial shooting of a black bear that was on the loose in a residential neighborhood.

Outrage over the police shooting revealed to both that many individuals seem more concerned about the lives of animals than people.

But why? Is this the influence of Disney movies? 

We talk about the growing number of people who have pets instead of children, and about the growing infantalization of our society.

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commented 2015-06-07 18:12:12 -0400
Why all the outrage? – easy solution, if you are going to have professional wildlife managers capitulate to the Disney-esque wildlife concepts of the animal rights loopers, simply live trap the rogue bruin and find a good home for it at some animal activist’s digs – if this is done routinely ( forcing them to walk the walk to back the talk) protests over urban bear control will cease quickly.
commented 2015-06-07 02:13:27 -0400
Actually up close, not that cute.
commented 2015-06-07 00:25:53 -0400
Thanks Judy :) Brad, I just about peed myself laughing at your comment! And Joan, thanks for the reminder. Teddy Bear’s picnic used to terrify me as a child, along with the Bears Jamboree at Disney World.
commented 2015-06-06 22:44:18 -0400
It is easy to keep bears out of your neighbourhood. Don’t leave out any attractants. If they are habituated they have to be shot, there is nothing else to do. I figure a good way to give some of these idiots some perspective is to let the bears have free reign for a while. If you don’t like to see bears shot by Conservation officers, don’t give them any reason to walk down your street. Really simple and effective solution. Probably means expensive bear bins like they have in Canmore AB. but highly effective.

I have adored dog, cat, horse, rabbit, goat, bird, hamster, pets over the years, and believe in humane treatment of animals, but they are animals. Their welfare cannot be put on par with humans. To do so is not a reasonable or healthy position to take.
commented 2015-06-06 11:56:30 -0400
@mike SEMOFF Bacteria are not plants. In the 5 kingdom life classification they are found in the Kingdom Monera (not in Plantae), and within the 3 domain classification they are found within Bacteria and Archaea, as opposed to Eucarya, which is where plants and animals are found.

Bacteria are their own thing, and once more, are not plants.
commented 2015-06-06 10:57:08 -0400
Judy: bacteria are plants, not animals.
commented 2015-06-06 10:56:38 -0400
I thought I heard that the bear was up in a tree, and that the tranquilizers guns were arriving imminently? Can some clear that up?
commented 2015-06-06 10:35:41 -0400
I think the questions we all should be asking is: Was the black bear shot by white cops? If it were a polar bear would they have acted with such extreme prejudice?
commented 2015-06-06 02:44:18 -0400
The way I see it, there are three types of bear/human conditioning: 1) Bears, both black and grizzly, that have had bad experiences with humans, will avoid humans whenever possible. When these bears are confronted by humans, the black bears will usually run, but the grizzlies may stand their ground, and even become aggressive. 2) Bears that have been habituated to humans to the point of losing their fear of us, are always going to be dangerous. If left unchecked, someone will eventually get hurt and the bear will have to be put down. 3) But most dangerous of all are bears in the deep back woods that have no experience of humans. They’re likely to look on human beings as a large, slow, defenseless source of fat and protein. It was this last type of bear in both cases, that killed and partially consumed two people I knew, one a geologist and the other a Game Warden. That’s why I packed my short-barreled 12 gauge when I worked alone in the bush alone.
commented 2015-06-05 23:40:23 -0400
We had a black bear up in camp and fish and wildlife came and caught it but a week later it came back. This happened a few times. Then we discovered some campies were setting food out for it. Like some kind of pet. Wild animals are just that. Wild, instinctive. Stupid shits should’ve tried feeding it by hand. Finally one man, a good man, FN btw, used his shotgun with a beanbag slug and deterred the intruder for the rest of our term. Otherwise who knows what may have come
commented 2015-06-05 23:20:22 -0400
I wonder how many pet dogs and cats the bear had already eaten? The MNR was negligent here and should have taken the bear out unconscious and removed him/her to a distant location. But with a school nearby and children in danger, and with the MNR UNAVAILABLE, the best alternatives would have been that the police be armed with stun guns/or guns that render the bear unconscious until it can be removed from the area…Surely the MNR could train local police how to do this without needlessly killing bears…and YES the end of the Spring bear hunt CAUSED this situation and made it INEVITABLE. Unless the excess numbers are culled by the Spring bear hunt, they will multiply more and more until they become regular pests…in Toronto…so common sense says bring back the Spring bear hunt that regulates the bear population and keeps a balance that fits with the two populations of people and bears.

@ Erin "PETA’s philosophy that amoebic dysentery has more right to live than a human being? " …funny! I used to tease my friend, a lab technician, who identified bacteria so they could be killed by antibiotics…she was always crying about animal cruelty…so I challenged her career move to deliberately kill those poor bacteria…taunting her with “BACTERIA ARE PEOPLE TOO!”…THEY HAVE FAMILIES, LOTS OF CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN too…:)…how can you be so cruel?…she didn’t laugh!…but I did.
commented 2015-06-05 22:35:05 -0400
P.S. Greenpeace actually tried to ban chlorine — a naturally occurring element on the periodic table. And PETA would rather kill cats and dogs than see them “enslaved” as well-cared for pets.
commented 2015-06-05 22:33:33 -0400
What more do you expect from people who’ve bought into Greenpeace and PETA’s philosophy that amoebic dysentery has more right to live than a human being?
commented 2015-06-05 22:30:57 -0400
Holy cow. A bear in Newmarket? I went to high school in Aurora, ON, just south of Newmarket along Yonge Street. We used to have bush parties north of St. John’s Side Road all the time, and never gave any thought to the possibility of encountering a bear. I guess we were lucky, because I doubt the keychain pepper spray my mother insisted I carry at all times when I was a teenager would have been much protection. When it comes down to the bear’s life vs. the safety of a child, I would expect parents to be cheering for person who shot and killed the bear.
commented 2015-06-05 22:30:05 -0400
I call it the Expert Syndrome. Some people know exactly what to do but the experts on the spot do not. Had the same thing in construction. The customers were sure they knew more than me, the contractor.

Did any of the outraged come up with a complete and concise procedure for dealing with bears in the city? I know I sure can’t so I keep my mouth shut and accept that the people on the spot did the best they could. Now, it is just possible someone was trained to handle this situation and was in place to use his skills. But then he realized that course was 15 years ago and this is his first chance to apply those half remembered skills. No doubt “safety first” was his number one fallback position.
commented 2015-06-05 22:15:00 -0400
Great reporting Marissa and nice to see Anthony Furey again, makes me really miss SNN and I know I[‘m not alone. I just liked the tv setting better because I could do other things at the same time and not lose track of what was being said instead of having to be glued to my laptop. You’re all amazing reporters. Keep up the great work and congrats Anthony.
commented 2015-06-05 21:11:38 -0400
There are a few amusing tales of bear encounters: one of my relatives was seated in a blueberry patch picking with both hands. Someone was picking on the far side of the same patch, and without looking up, she said, “let’s have a race and see who can fill her bucket first.” A grunted reply she took as agreement and so she increased her speed of picking. Within a short time she said, " Done!" and turned in triumph to her neighbour and discovered a black bear looking back at her. She leapt to her feet which startled the bear who scuttled rapidly away into the woods. There might have been a sad ending to such a story, but fortunately the bear was probably well-filled with blueberries and not interested in adding to his diet. However, there are too many stories of bears attacking and killing humans to spare time for sympathizing with an animal out of its territory and posing a threat.
commented 2015-06-05 20:32:48 -0400
Congratulations, Anthoney Furey. Brietbart is better for you.

Animals are not humans. But humans are animals. Sorry, folks, thinking otherwise is the result of too much Disney.

Black bears are generally shy. I see paw prints and scat in the woods but never a black bear. But, like humans, bears are individuals and a few black bears will hunt humans. I don’t carry a gun to shoot such a bear. But I do carry bear spray.

The bear in question appeared mature, not an adolescent. So why was it wandering around Newmarket back yards in broad daylight courting trouble? My guess? Something wrong with the bear. Bipolar, maybe. Or brain injured. Maybe clipped by a car and disoriented.

Or … maybe she was just a psycho predator bear craving human flesh.
commented 2015-06-05 20:26:16 -0400
All the years I spent in the bush, I’ve had so many close encounters with black bears that I couldn’t possibly count them all(only with 2 with grizzly.) I’ve been very fortunate. In most of those close encounters, the bears just took one look at me and ran like hell (maybe it’s my ugly puss). Some, however, were not intimidated at all, but just seemed disinterested or slightly annoyed by my presence, and they just slowly wondered off. Those are the ones that made me nervous. However, I always packed a short barreled, pistol-grip 12 gauge shotgun loaded with slugs when I was alone in bear country. That’s because I’ve known a couple of people who were killed when working alone in bear country. I’ve never had to use my shotgun, thank God. But it boggles my mind when I see how incredibly stupid city folks can be when it comes to wildlife. One time, when I was working as a Forest Officer with the BC Forest Service, I was driving west on Hwy 16 near McBride, and in the ditch was a mother black bear with two cubs, chowing down on the new spring grass. A Dad with Alberta license plates got out of the car with his two young daughters, and was motioning for them to go and stand closer to the bears so he could get a picture. I wasn’t very nice. I told him to go stand next to the bears and let his girls take the picture. What an idiot!! I guess that isn’t how civil servants should address the public, but it really infuriated me. How can any parent be so stupid? He thought better of his actions after my warning. Nothing bad happened and we all just carried on with our business, including the bears, and went on our way. But I’ll bet dollars to doughnuts (not Tim Horton’s) that this guy was from the big city and his only exposure to wildlife was on TV or in a zoo. I’m sure he wasn’t a bad guy or a bad Dad, just incredibly ignorant.
commented 2015-06-05 19:31:04 -0400
No, Marissa, this is not Disney’s influence; it’s PETA’s.
commented 2015-06-05 19:07:33 -0400
Outraged people = stupid morons.

Bears will rip you to pieces while you are still alive. The bear was in the residential area looking for food. Liberal goobermint halted the bear hunt up north years ago – now these vermin are moving into cities. Stupid liberal pigs.
commented 2015-06-05 18:37:51 -0400
Anyone who thinks a bear is a cute, cuddly, beautiful animal has never been up close and personal with one. They are ugly, mean, stink to high heaven and are amongst the dumbest animals on the planet. Seriously, bears are so stupid that you can nail a sack of rotten fish to a tree, wait for a bear to come for it, shoot that bear, and then wait as more bears come for the rotten fish, stepping over the already dead bears to get it.
You tree hugging, Liberal morons needs to get a life. You think bears are all nice and sweet? I dare you to walk up to one and try and pet it just for shits and gigles. I’ll bust a gut laughing while you run screaming with blood spurting from the stump where your arm used to be.
Swiften up!
commented 2015-06-05 18:28:50 -0400
When are people going to learn that while some animals are cute and cuddly, they are still animals. Primal. It’s that simple. Next thing you know, they’ll be getting paychecks!