July 05, 2015

Preston Manning is part of the problem, not the solution

Ezra LevantRebel Commander

Preston Manning just sent out a fundraising letter for his Manning Centre for Building Democracy.

It calls the NDP's big victory in Alberta a disaster, and offers some "lessons" conservatives can learn from the results.

But Manning's lessons -- and proposed solutions -- aren't the right ones.

For one thing, he says the problem is lack of "training" for conservative candidates -- but then he would say that, since that's what his Centre sells. (That "training" includes table etiquette lessons from Preston's wife!)

And remember: he's the one who talked Danielle Smith into defecting from the Wildrose Party, arguably the very thing that led to the NDP's historic majority victory.

No, the real problem is isn't "training." It's that conservatives don't have principled leaders anymore, and that includes Manning himself.

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commented 2015-07-06 09:42:08 -0400
Not to mention his slimy paw print in the recent election in AB. Manning, Prentice and Smith should retire into the dust bin of history now.
commented 2015-07-06 09:40:19 -0400
Manning sold out and is no longer a conservative voice.
commented 2015-07-06 07:08:08 -0400
Glenn, I think an objective review of past threads – in the calm and reflective spirit of the Dao – may change your views on where the respect in past dialogues begins and ends. I do try not to throw first stones.
commented 2015-07-06 01:12:56 -0400
Manning, your name is Mud.
commented 2015-07-05 23:06:00 -0400
Wait a second I take that back, thanks john! Shame on him lol
commented 2015-07-05 22:58:18 -0400
Thank you Don, I was unaware of that self sacrifice made. It is quite noteworthy, and is appreciated. I am grateful for his service to this country, no matter his mistakes.
commented 2015-07-05 22:57:59 -0400
Most people also don’t remember that Manning swore he would never occupy Stornoway if he was sent to Ottawa as leader of the Official Opposition. A simple rented apartment ought to be enough, he said. He was elected. He moved in anyway.

A lot of people also don’t know he’s been on the Board of the Pembina Institute for years. No word on how much he is paid to shill for those radical, left-wing, anti-Alberta enviromentalists.

There’s a lot that people don’t know about Manning. What we all should to be able to remember (it being so recent and all) is that he killed democracy in Alberta. He turned the Wildrose into another clump of wannabe, self-centered, two-faced hogs that took a shortcut to the trough ….. and then had the nerve to claim they did it for us.
commented 2015-07-05 22:27:30 -0400
I have always admired Preston Manning and still do. I was a delegate at the founding convention of the Reform Party and an early organizer of a Reform constituency association. Preston advised the Wildrosers in a general sort of way that the right should unite to keep the NDP out of power. And that is going to be necessary before the next election. He didn’t specifically tell Danielle Smith to take the course of action that she did. Back in the day the uniting of the right at the federal level was put to a vote of the members. Danielle should have taken a lesson from that. Most people don’t know or don’t remember that Preston was one of only 3 MPs that opted out of the MP pension plan and STAYED OUT. If he lives to age 90 he will have foregone almost $3million of income. I think a little more respect is in order here.
commented 2015-07-05 22:02:05 -0400
The animus (from the left), Peter, in my opinion is because he has been a good PM and stands a good chance of taking the election again. For the left, the main stream media and the Laurentian elites, this is unacceptable because their days at the public trough will be pushed back yet another four years. Taking our wealth and the power that accompanies it is all the left is interested in obtaining. And they will do anything and say anything to accomplish that goal.

Any animus from the Conservatives towards the PM is because he is not Conservative enough. Of course, it is not possible to maintain office federally by leaning too far left or too far right, but that does not stop some Conservatives from being critical of the PM.

Those are my observations, in any case.
commented 2015-07-05 21:50:07 -0400
It’s because with friends like Preston, who needs enemies?
commented 2015-07-05 20:59:32 -0400
I, too, worked for/with Preston Manning and his Reform Party 25 years ago. Through Preston Manning and his Reform Party, which included Ezra Levant and our current PM, I learned I was a Conservative. I learned to tell the difference between a Red Tory, like Redford and her red Liberal jackets and a Blue Tory. I was involved with establishing a Reform Party Riding Association in Ontario, the east wanted in, and fielding a Candidate for the 93 Election. This, for me, was a big eye-opener.
Ezra you make comment on some of the things Preston has been saying.
E.g., the need for training. Since those Reform days I’ve become much more conscious of things that are said and done. Reformers had and Conservatives have had bad cases of foot-in-mouth disease. Does it take special training to know when to keep ones mouth shut? Harper is running a tight ship, and it seems to be working.
On another note, while candidates may need some training, so, too, does the Electorate, they’ve been voting Red in Alberta since Klein days, and look at what they’ve done to Ontario.
You commented on Sandra Manning’s Etiquette lessons. I worked in the Schlosshotel Kronberg, in Taunus, north of Ffm., Germany. A very ritzy, expensive castle hotel owned by the Princes of Hessen. You think Bev Oda’s $16 glass of orange juice was expensive? When I set tables, it was with 10-12 pieces of silver, depending on whether we were serving fish or not, and 3-4 different glasses. If you attend any big event, it’s good to know which utensil to use, otherwise you come across looking like a country bumpkin.
Manning’s endorsement of Danielle Smith’s floor-crossing. I’m tending to agree with some of the other commenters, maybe Preston is suffering from ageing. Did he think he was still uniting the Conservative Party and the Canadian Alliance?
Manning on AGW. I am an AGW denier, your basic gut-feeling. I do sense, though, that there is a world-wide shift to acceptance of AGW. Manning does have access to way more info and data than I, we, get from MSM.
We deniers are not making progress, why?
Preston Manning and his Reform movement were good for me. it brought out Ezra Levant writing in the Alberta Report, then the Western Standard, and his gutsy challenge of the HRC and his show on SNN, of which I was an avid follower. And, it gave us our current PM, who, as far as I’m concerned could become the longest serving Prime Minister ever.
I don’t understand the animus.
commented 2015-07-05 20:28:40 -0400
Preston needs to find a book and a rocking chair and quietly retire from anything political.
commented 2015-07-05 19:44:51 -0400
Manning sold Alberta down the road years ago when he stopped Reform from running provincially.
commented 2015-07-05 19:25:52 -0400
I’m willing to give Preston Manning the benefit of the doubt with regards to his motivating principles. People change. I know I’m a much different person than I was 30 or 40 years ago. I’m willing to accept that the views he now espouses are sincerely held. Since I can’t know what’s in his heart, that’s the only conclusion I can fairly come too. But I do believe he is wrong, and I think it’s unfortunate he has neither accepted the fact that he played a critical role in the collapse of the conservative government in Alberta and the election of Rachel Notley’s NDP, nor accepted any responsibility for it. I also believe he is no longer a conservative in the traditional sense of the word.
commented 2015-07-05 19:12:50 -0400
Terry "I’m talking about balance and objectivity. " . . . . like you get at the CBC . . . lol

Ezra’s talking points were pretty accurate . . . your’s on the other hand are lame.
The left today is leaving a trail of destruction everywhere . . . from Ontario to Greece.
But I know . . . you just want to try Socialism one more time . . . it might succeed . . . lol
That experiment is going on in Alberta today . . . it will not end well ! ! !
commented 2015-07-05 18:57:33 -0400
Terry, On the conclusion you just cited I have no problem. Terry, there was …in the history of the development of Chinese philosophy two men who had conflicting views there was Mencius a disciple of Kung-fu-tse (Confucius) and Shuang-tse the disciple of Lao-tzu. They became so comfortable with the discourse between them that Shuang-tse described it thus …

There were two stone masons who worked together in placing stones and mortar….once one dropped a glob of mortar on the nose of the other….he said “hold still for a moment” and the other did with no hesitation. His partner removed the clump of mortar from his nose with one deft move of his trowel….this is how my relationship as a debating partner has always been with Mencius.

Once Mencius in a debate with Shuang-tze asked “What is respect”….Shuang-tze replied…….


The emperor of China was so impressed with that insight that it was painted in large characters on the walls of his throne room.

Terry I post this as an offer……many who post here have courage to state their view….but perhaps have no skill or experience in rhetoric….if you want to be heard and have you’re point respected…..please refrain from brawling with the other members of this forum…..and have a respectful discourse with me.
commented 2015-07-05 18:09:50 -0400
Terry admitted, “Michael Moore, Ezra Levant, Morgan Spurlock, and the like – annoy me so much.”

Ahhh, finally he admits the reason he attacks Ezra rather than addressing the topic of discussion. Honesty for once. Very refreshing.
commented 2015-07-05 17:10:25 -0400
Preston Manning has gone senile, he needs to leave politics. Now everything he does is against the party that he has loved. He should retire and people should tell him so.
commented 2015-07-05 16:36:10 -0400
Glenn, interesting bio, thanks. So you must know exactly what I mean when I’m talking about balance and objectivity. Like “justice”, they’re idealized concepts that will never be fully realized – but they’re still ideals that the people who profess to practice journalism should, in my book, aspire to. Which is why the propagandists on the left and right who PLAY journalists – Michael Moore, Ezra Levant, Morgan Spurlock, and the like – annoy me so much.
commented 2015-07-05 16:25:13 -0400
I have no doubt that Manning convincing Smith and the gang to cross the floor is what caused an NDP win.
It seems Preston Manning’s legacy will be one of being a turncoat endorser, and even being one himself.
commented 2015-07-05 16:25:02 -0400
very easy to see through preston-you have joined the coalition of the stupid. hilarious, which one of you clowns does the leading, trudeau, mulcair, you, or may.
commented 2015-07-05 16:12:49 -0400
Manning is just an angry old man left behind by the Conservatives and so he joined the left.

Harper has no use for Manning. Conservative Canada has no use for Manning. Manning needs to earn a living, so he switched – Manning is a money-whore like all other politicians.

And the typical left move – declaring right knowing they are left – is what Manning is doing.

The great news is that the internet marginalizes MSM, so bullshitter Manning has been called out already. Manning won’t last much longer.
commented 2015-07-05 16:02:33 -0400
Why doesn’t Manning be honest, admit he is not a conservative, and rename his organization the Preston Manning Center for co-opting conservatives into buying into liberal policies and electing socialist governments in Canada?
commented 2015-07-05 15:43:47 -0400
Why the hate on for Preston Manning? Not really, just taking him to task for departing from conservative principles. Different for the mainstream media who can’t bring themselves to criticize their ‘boys’, Mulcair and Trudeau, who can do no wrong.
commented 2015-07-05 15:26:07 -0400
To say conservatives have NO principled leaders is harsh. I will presume you mean small c conservatives and not those in the Conservative party. There will be no party left to vote for unless we start a new Dominion party dedicated to Canadian citizens and values. I am a little old to get it started.
commented 2015-07-05 15:25:29 -0400
I’ve got to say this….when I walked in to Jack Brayley’s office at Canadian Press for my job interview…he had a framed slogan saying on the wall that read……THREE LEVELS OF EDITOR AND A DOZEN PROOFREADERS IN THE TYPE GALLEY SHOP…….AND WE STILL HAD TO PUBLISH A WRITTEN APOLOGY TO MR MOREHOUSE………………:-)
commented 2015-07-05 15:16:42 -0400
Terry Rudden…it wasn’t my first job….it was my second….I was the office gofer at Canadian Press Halifax Bureau…Jack Brayley was the bureau chief…best boss I ever worked for in terms of integrity and humanity. Back then you became a “journalist” through apprenticeship and tutelage. You started out writing obituaries …then chasing ambulances….if you were really good…really sharp…and really brave…you became elite like a police detective …and if you were favoured by those who owned the media….you became an editor….someone who decided what got printed and got to publish their opinions like a pundit.

I attended the funerals of the last honest to God journalists in Canada….and that was before the current crop of mooks who graduated from “journalism school” were even born….now you you graduate from “schools of journalism” as full fledged editorial writers…provided you preach the leftist party line.

I consider contemporary “journalists” as despicable a livelihood as pimps and divorce lawyers. At best….they are “story tellers”.

Ezra does by times go down rabbit holes of personal vendetta……tell me that anyone who currently cites that job title on their tax return doesn’t.
commented 2015-07-05 14:35:14 -0400
Manning has always had bad timing when it has come to elections . He never has been able to read public perception. He has always also split the right time and time again. No wonder the left is finally warming up to him
commented 2015-07-05 13:49:30 -0400
Poor Preston, taken by dementia at such a young age.
commented 2015-07-05 13:30:24 -0400
Preston Manning has morphed into the Dalton Camp of the new millennium. Anyone old enough may recall how Camp was trotted out by the CBC and others as the voice of conservatism in Canada while advocating tax and spend policies little different that the NDP. Preston is getting more and more airtime in the MM as his polices become greener and more like the old red tory nemesis.