July 07, 2016

Kenney's news rattles Alberta NDP: MLA Tweets “thank God” for her abortion

Rebel Staff
 

The NDP are freaking out at the prospect of Jason Kenney uniting the conservative movement in Alberta. They’re in full panic mode - code red, category 5, hair on fire, core meltdown. And it’s beautiful.

Less than 24 hours after Jason Kenney announced his bid to seek the leadership of the Progressive Conservative Party in Alberta, running on a unity platform with intent to merge with the Wildrose Party, Alberta NDP MLAs are throwing everything at him, including the kitchen sink and abortions. Marie Renaud is the NDP MLA for St. Albert. She tweeted:

“Heard lots of rumours but Mr. Kenney should have a chance to speak. Do you support a woman’s right to choose or do you want govt to?”

In 17 years, Jason Kenney has never brought forward a pro life motion or made a pro life speech. When leftwing cry babies drag the “vast right wing Christian hidden agenda conspiracy” out of the mothballs, you know they’re desperate. But that wasn’t enough for Renaud. Taking it up a notch, she then tweeted:

“I had an abortion and I thank God I was able to. Who wants to change that?”

Yes. she thanked God for an abortion. My disgust is visceral. But to answer Marie’s question about “who wants to change that”, the answer is ME, but not Jason Kenney.

During ten years in power as a high profile, highly influential part of Stephen Harper’s cabinet, Kenney didn’t even muse about abortion, let alone do anything about it when he could have.

But there’s something else at play: insidious anti Catholic, anti Christian bigotry.

Renaud is saying that Kenney is unfit to govern because he’s Catholic and therefore, can’t keep his religion out of his politics despite a proven track record to the contrary. I bet Renaud checks under her bed at night for the Pope. Would she say these things about a Jewish politician? I’m not sure. But I do know she wouldn't dare say it about a Muslim lawmaker.

Renaud will face no sanctions from her party for anti Catholic bigotry. In fact, she’ll be applauded for her bravery because this attitude, that people of faith are unfit to govern is indicative of Rachel Notley’s NDP. They don’t even think people of faith are able to make decisions about their children’s education. We need only to look at Bill 10 as proof.

But it shows how rattled the NDP are at the prospect of a united Conservative Party. They’re standing on their own abortions and anti Christian bigotry to go on the attack!

Can you imagine what they’re going to be like by October if the stench of desperation and fear is this rank already?

I can’t wait.

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commented 2016-07-11 11:16:55 -0400
The response time, to something that may put a cap on their treacherous behavior, using anti-Christian bigotry, was very fast in comparison to something that was not of the same importance, namely the fires in Fort McMurray, what a sad excuse for a government.
commented 2016-07-10 01:14:44 -0400
Michael Mann, your grasp of hermeneutics is laughable to say the least. Even one of my first year students would not attempt to pass off such non-contextual garbage as scholarship. Not for long any way. Any student of mine who handed in such a poorly researched and written paper would not get a passing grade. Your list of fallacies, illogical conclusions, non-sequiturs and fallacies is so long that it would take 10 pages to explain each one to you. Clearly you are out of your depth as a theologian. Perhaps it’s time to stop your nonsense before you embarrass yourself worse than you already have.
commented 2016-07-09 19:55:11 -0400
I see liberal idiot Michael Mann is still trolling from his mama’s basement. Hey dick head a fetus has a heart beat at three weeks. You gonna say not a person. Have you ever had a woman snuff out the life of your unborn child without your agreement? What’s that? Still a Virgin? That’s what I thought. Well until you get laid and have your baby murdered maybe you should shut your fucking stupid mouth and quit trolling around with people who actually have brains and a concience. Loser.
commented 2016-07-09 19:02:09 -0400
“Late term abortions are rare.”

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa Pastor Dr. Schwartz Mann. Why should they be rare if the child is not a person?
commented 2016-07-09 18:58:54 -0400
Thanks Pastor Dr. Schwartz Mann… so where did you copy the contents of your last post from?
commented 2016-07-09 18:57:16 -0400
Late term abortions are rare. Only 0.4% take place after 20 weeks gestation. Late term abortions are performed when the fetus is gravely or fatally impaired or the woman’s life or physical health is at risk.

Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada – ARCC – Arcc-cdac.ca
commented 2016-07-09 18:41:40 -0400
Hey Pastor Dr. Schwartz Mann,

No examples, so wait, an IDX is not a actual abortion procedure? And again, what’s the problem with an IDX. Unborn mean not a person right?

Luke 1:36 doesn’t say that Elizabeth conceived a son?
commented 2016-07-09 18:41:31 -0400
5 Verses That Prove The Bible Supports Abortion Rights

Before we get to the verses that show abortion isn’t murder, though, let us first look at why modern anti-choice arguments make no sense.

Bible Never Outlaws Abortion

When speaking with an anti-choice advocate, they will bring up various Biblical verses and claim that they’re proof that abortion is murder. Unfortunately for these individuals, the Bible never actually says this. They’re simply taking verses and twisting them to imply that abortion equals killing a human.

It’s strange, though, that the Bible wouldn’t directly outlaw abortion if it was wrong. After all, each of the books of the New Testament were written in the Common Era (CE) — often referred to as A.D. Yet the earliest evidence of an induced abortion dates to 1550 BCE. This, of course, is around 1,545 years before Christ was even born.

Additionally, the Code of Assura provided for the death penalty if a woman got an abortion without her husband’s blessing. This was in 1075 BCE. It just seems weird, even with historical evidence that abortion was occurring over 1,500 years before Christ, that the Bible never specifically outlaws it.

Bible Supports Abortion

It seems like God would have directly outlawed abortion if it was so important. Alas, that’s neither here nor there. Let’s get to the verses of the Bible supporting abortion advocates.

Exodus 21:22-25 – Not Valued As Human Life

“When men have a fight and hurt a pregnant woman, so that she suffers a miscarriage, but no further injury, the guilty one shall be fined as much as the woman’s husband demands of him, and he shall pay in the presence of the judges. But if injury ensues, you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.”

This Biblical verse lays out the penalty for accidentally causing a woman to miscarry, and it’s just a fine. If the woman herself is injured during the incident, however, the good old “eye for an eye” rule comes into play.

So if the mother dies, the person who caused the death dies. If only the unborn child dies, however, the at-fault party has to fork over a few shekels. If an unborn fetus is a human life, why is it not treated as such in this verse?

Ecclesiastes 6:3-5 – Unfulfilled Life Not Worth Living

“If a man beget a hundred children, and live many years, so that the days of his years be many, and his soul be not filled with good, and also that he have no burial; I say, that an untimely birth is better than he. For he cometh in with vanity, and departeth in darkness, and his name shall be covered with darkness. Moreover he hath not seen the sun, nor known any thing: this hath more rest than the other.”

This text says that it is better for a person to suffer an “untimely birth,” meaning to die from miscarriage, than to live an unhappy life. That’s right: the Bible literally says it’s better to die in the womb than live an unhappy life. This flies directly into the face of all anti-choice believers.

Numbers 3:39-40 – Life Begins At… One Month

“The total number of Levites counted at the Lord’s command by Moses and Aaron according to their clans, including every male a month old or more, was 22,000. The Lord said to Moses, ‘Count all the firstborn Israelite males who are a month old or more and make a list of their names.’”

In these verses, God tells Moses to conduct a census of all Levite males, but he only tells him to count those who are at least one month old. It’s almost as if those younger than a month don’t hold human value.

Is it possible that the Bible is implying that a soul doesn’t enter a child’s body until it’s one month old? The following verse seems to contradict this, but not in a way that benefits a “pro-life” advocate’s argument.

Genesis 2:7 – Breath Must Come First

“And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”

This verse talks about the creation of Adam. It specifically states that God formed Adam from dust, but he wasn’t yet a living soul. Not until God breathed life into this inhuman form did it become alive. If Adam, the first human to ever exist, had to take a breath before being considered a living soul, why is the same not true for unborn fetuses?

Numbers 5:27 – Abortion Is Okay, If The Mom Doesn’t Approve

“If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.”

This is a fun one. Earlier in Numbers, it’s stated that, if a man suspects his wife of sleeping with another man, he may bring her to a priest who will create some sort of magic potion with water and dirt. The woman is then made to drink said magic potion. If she has not cheated on her husband, nothing will happen.

If the woman has cheated and is carrying another man’s child, though, the mystical dirt water — we can call it magic mud — will cause her to immediately miscarry. This is a directive coming straight from God himself to Moses. So even if pro-lifers can dodge all these other verses, they can’t deny that this one essentially says, “Abortion is okay as long as it’s forced upon a woman, against her will, for cheating on her husband.”

Yeah… that’s way more acceptable than what pro-choice advocates are going for.
commented 2016-07-09 18:30:47 -0400
Nnaumbua Farrell,

So no examples then – that’s why it matters. Your hypothetical is moronic.

Plagiarism? LOL. This isn’t a newspaper.

No, it was convenient post online that stated what I have already conveyed and why you are wrong.

There are countless websites that state the very same thing when it comes to the abortion debate and what the Bible has to say. You might like this one.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/3/19/1285933/-Bible-Life-Begins-at-Breath-Not-Conception

Ultimately what you think is irrelevant, because the abortion debate is over and it’s not going to change.
commented 2016-07-09 17:41:03 -0400
Thank god for her abortion? If this digesting bitch believed in God she would never have murdered one of his creations. If she believed in God she’d know she bought a one way ticket to hell. What a stupid thing to say by a stupid liberal idiot. The guy dumb enough to knock up this ugly pig had no say in the matter either as the fathers view in this matter don’t count. What if he wanted the baby, oh yeah that doesn’t matter does it. Takes two to tango but only the woman can kill the music. Fucking murderers.
commented 2016-07-09 17:40:14 -0400
You should have copied someone a little smarter Michael. For example Dr. Schwartz’ claim that there is nothing in the Bible to indicate a fetus is not a person is false. The following is copied from myself:

In the Bible, there is no distinction made between the personhood of an unborn child and a born child. When Elizabeth is pregnant with her son, John the Baptist, the Bible describes him in the womb as her “son” (Luke 1:57). The word translated into son is the Greek word huios. This is the same Greek word translated as son used to describe John after birth (Luke 3:2). John was her son both in and outside of the womb. But when in the womb did he become her son? At conception (Luke 1:36).

In Luke 1:41, 44, John the Baptist is referred to as a “babe” (baby) while he is in his mother’s womb. The word translated in to babe is the Greek word brephos. This is the same Greek word translated as babe used to describe the newly born Jesus (Luke 2:12,16) and a newborn baby in 1 Peter 2:2.
commented 2016-07-09 17:29:29 -0400
Seriously Michael, plagiarism?

Some guy on the internet said:

“Many people think that a human being is created at the time of conception but this belief is not supported by the bible. The fact that a living sperm penetrates a living ovum resulting in the formation of a living fetus does not mean that the fetus is a living human being. According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after drawing its first breath.
After God formed man in Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being”. Although the man was fully formed by God in all respects, he was not a living being until after taking his first breath. In Job 33:4, it states: “The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”

Again, to quote Ezekiel 37:5&6, “Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the Lord.”

http://joeschwartz.net/life.htm

Michael Mann said:

According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after drawing its first breath.
After God formed man in Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being”. Although the man was fully formed by God in all respects, he was not a living being until after taking his first breath. In Job 33:4, it states: “The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”
Again, to quote Ezekiel 37:5&6, “Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the Lord.”


Some guy on the internet said:

In Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however, if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense. According to the bible, destroying a living fetus does not equate to killing a living human being even though the fetus has the potential of becoming a human being. One can not kill something that has not been born and taken a breath. This means that a stillborn would not be considered a human being either. Of course, every living sperm has the potential of becoming a human being although not one in a million will make it; the rest are aborted. .

http://joeschwartz.net/life.htm

Michael Mann said:

In Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however, if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense. According to the bible, destroying a living fetus does not equate to killing a living human being even though the fetus has the potential of becoming a human being. One can not kill something that has not been born and taken a breath. This means that a stillborn would not be considered a human being either. Of course, every living sperm has the potential of becoming a human being although not one in a million will make it; the rest are aborted. . (You even copied the guys double period typo Michael)

Some guy on the internet said:

God has decreed, for one reason or another, that at least one-third of all pregnancies shall be terminated by a spontaneous abortion during the first trimester of pregnancy and that a number will be terminated after the first trimester. It would appear that God does not have any more regard for the loss of a fetus than he does for the loss of a placenta or a foreskin despite the fact that these were living tissue as the result of conception.

http://joeschwartz.net/life.htm

Michael Mann said:

*God has decreed, for one reason or another, that at least one-third of all pregnancies shall be terminated by a spontaneous abortion during the first trimester of pregnancy and that a number will be terminated after the first trimester. It would appear that God does not have any more regard for the loss of a fetus than he does for the loss of a placenta or a foreskin despite the fact that these were living tissue as the result of conception. *

Some guy on the internet said:

In a number of versions of the bible, one of the commandments in Exodus 20 that was spoken by God to Moses states: “You shall not kill”. According to the Mosaic text, this should read “You shall not murder” since the bible has commandments stating that people shall be put to death for a number of different offenses. Exodus 21:17 states: “Whoever curses his father or mother shall be put to death.” There are other capital offenses in Exodus 21. Of course, the commandment “You shall not kill” is not present in the commandments written by God on the stone tablets.* For those who are not familiar with the commandments on the stone tablets that were placed in the Ark of the Covenant, they are enumerated in Exodus 34. The popular ten commandments that are enumerated in Exodus 20 were spoken by God to Moses who then relayed them to his people; they were never written.

There is nothing in the bible to indicate that a fetus is considered to be anything other than living tissue and, according to scripture, it does not become a living being until after it has taken a breath.

http://joeschwartz.net/life.htm

Michael Mann said:

In a number of versions of the bible, one of the commandments in Exodus 20 that was spoken by God to Moses states: “You shall not kill”. According to the Mosaic text, this should read “You shall not murder” since the bible has commandments stating that people shall be put to death for a number of different offenses. Exodus 21:17 states: “Whoever curses his father or mother shall be put to death.” There are other capital offenses in Exodus 21. Of course, the commandment “You shall not kill” is not present in the commandments written by God on the stone tablets. For those who are not familiar with the commandments on the stone tablets that were placed in the Ark of the Covenant, they are enumerated in Exodus 34. The popular ten commandments that are enumerated in Exodus 20 were spoken by God to Moses who then relayed them to his people; they were never written. There is nothing in the bible to indicate that a fetus is considered to be anything other than living tissue and, according to scripture, it does not become a living being until after it has taken a breath.
commented 2016-07-09 16:29:39 -0400
Intact Dilation and Extraction:

IDX first involves administration of medications to cause the cervix to dilate. Dilation usually occurs over the course of several days. Next, the physician rotates the fetus to a footling breech position. The body of the fetus is then drawn out of the uterus feet first, until only the head remains inside the uterus. The physician then uses an instrument to puncture the base of the skull, which collapses the fetal head. Typically, the contents of the fetal head are then partially suctioned out, which results in the death of the fetus and reduces the size of the fetal head enough to allow it to pass through the cervix. The dead but otherwise intact fetus is then removed from the woman’s body.”

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/partial+birth+abortion
commented 2016-07-09 16:03:27 -0400
Why would it matter? According to you, not born not a person, there can be killed at will?
commented 2016-07-09 15:57:01 -0400
Nnaumbua Farrell,

What abortions are happening to reflect your 8:01:45pm to 8:01:55pm position?

Can you give me an example outside of the woman’s health.
commented 2016-07-09 15:49:47 -0400
Oh no you don’t Michael. I don’t think there is any significant difference between an unborn child at 8:01:45pm and a born child at 8:01:55pm such that society and the law could justify allowing the killing of the former and not the latter. You however do seem to think so. What is so special about being in the womb such that killing can be justified?

You said the determination of personhood based on whether a child is born or not is due to what society and law says. My what if is very much in play. According to you, society and the law determine what makes a child a person or not. So since society and the law determine what makes a child a person or not, what if society and the law changes the definition of what makes a child a person from being born to being at least 8 weeks old?
commented 2016-07-09 15:26:17 -0400
Nnaumbua,

According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after drawing its first breath.
After God formed man in Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being”. Although the man was fully formed by God in all respects, he was not a living being until after taking his first breath. In Job 33:4, it states: “The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”

Again, to quote Ezekiel 37:5&6, “Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the Lord.”

In Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however, if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense. According to the bible, destroying a living fetus does not equate to killing a living human being even though the fetus has the potential of becoming a human being. One can not kill something that has not been born and taken a breath. This means that a stillborn would not be considered a human being either. Of course, every living sperm has the potential of becoming a human being although not one in a million will make it; the rest are aborted. .

God has decreed, for one reason or another, that at least one-third of all pregnancies shall be terminated by a spontaneous abortion during the first trimester of pregnancy and that a number will be terminated after the first trimester. It would appear that God does not have any more regard for the loss of a fetus than he does for the loss of a placenta or a foreskin despite the fact that these were living tissue as the result of conception. In a number of versions of the bible, one of the commandments in Exodus 20 that was spoken by God to Moses states: “You shall not kill”. According to the Mosaic text, this should read “You shall not murder” since the bible has commandments stating that people shall be put to death for a number of different offenses. Exodus 21:17 states: “Whoever curses his father or mother shall be put to death.” There are other capital offenses in Exodus 21. Of course, the commandment “You shall not kill” is not present in the commandments written by God on the stone tablets. For those who are not familiar with the commandments on the stone tablets that were placed in the Ark of the Covenant, they are enumerated in Exodus 34. The popular ten commandments that are enumerated in Exodus 20 were spoken by God to Moses who then relayed them to his people; they were never written. There is nothing in the bible to indicate that a fetus is considered to be anything other than living tissue and, according to scripture, it does not become a living being until after it has taken a breath.
commented 2016-07-09 15:19:12 -0400
Nnaumbua Farrell,

Your hypothetical is moronic as the fetus has been born and left the womb, so there is no what if scenario. You are born, you are a person, you have rights. End of story.
commented 2016-07-09 15:11:48 -0400
Michael, don’t disappear on me now buddy, this is getting good.
commented 2016-07-09 15:09:48 -0400
Further to your premise that a newborn is a person because society and the law deems it so, what if society and the law deems that a newborn is not a person until they are 8 weeks olds? Will it then be ok for a mother to kill her 7 week old newborn because he/ she is not yet deemed to be a person?
commented 2016-07-09 14:52:00 -0400
“So a mother cannot kill her child at any time past say 8:01:55pm (time of birth), but can kill her child at say 8:01:45pm (time of 10 seconds before birth) because society and the law deems the child to be a person in the latter case?”

I meant to say former case not latter case.
commented 2016-07-09 14:50:20 -0400
Iiiiiiiinteresting Michael. So a mother cannot kill her child at any time past say 8:01:55pm (time of birth), but can kill her child at say 8:01:45pm (time of 10 seconds before birth) because society and the law deems the child to be a person in the latter case? What is the difference between a child at 8:00:45pm and 8:01:55pm such that the killing of the former is no more immoral than the removal of an inflamed appendix and the killing of the latter is murder?

Science? Please explain?

The Bible views a child as a person only after birth? Michael, I had no idea… please Pastor Mann, explain.
commented 2016-07-09 14:19:28 -0400
Nnaumbua Farrell,

Society, science and the law. And The Bible if you happen to be a churchy.
commented 2016-07-09 11:21:41 -0400
Michael Mann said:

“Nnaumbua Farrell,

No – by then, the fetus is deemed a person because it has been born and has all the rights that come with that."

Deemed? By whom or by what? Don’t chicken out on me now Michael.
commented 2016-07-09 00:32:44 -0400
Drew,

Actually it doesn’t say anything different. Majority of Canadians still support abortions – it’s in the fucking title of the link.

And wrong again, fuckface – the majority of Canadians support gay marriage.

Yes, Texas is perfect for a piece of shit like you.
commented 2016-07-09 00:29:19 -0400
Drew,

You know fuck all about Canada and you don’t represent Canadians.

Move to Texas, dipshit – you would be happier there.
commented 2016-07-09 00:02:10 -0400
Michael majority of Canadians say marriage should be between a man and a woman and gay unions should be called something else , so bend over and accept that loser. Gonna be funny when Sharia closes up abortion clinics.
commented 2016-07-09 00:00:50 -0400
Michael Mann sorry but bs polls mean nothing and babies are left to die out of their moms womb in Canada idiot. And a liberal media article mean nothing idiot. Most Canadians think we have limits on it as well, WE DO NOT! How about we settle it with a referendum then loser. I know more about Canada than you halfwit. Liberal media articles lie about how many people go to pro life events all the time. And find me a poll where the majority thinks there should be no reasonable limits if you can loser.
commented 2016-07-08 23:05:39 -0400
Nnaumbua Farrell,

No – by then, the fetus is deemed a person because it has been born and has all the rights that come with that.