June 04, 2016

Why I’m now convinced there are rich, secretive people pushing carbon taxes onto the Conservative Party

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You can watch my whole debate with Mark Cameron here. He tried to convince me that carbon taxes can be "conservative." I don't buy it. Here are my final thoughts...

 

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commented 2016-06-06 09:16:14 -0400
Sheldon Berg….that was a great post. 16 hours later we are still waiting for Puffessor Kokes rebuttal.
commented 2016-06-06 01:12:21 -0400
Unfortunately being conservative minded and being a Politician that identifies as a Conservative is two totally different things. The political Conservative or Neo-Con thinks Conservatism is a political construct and therefore they push the political big Government system, and that is all they know. A true conservative thinker is anti big Government and pushes or stands against Big Gov.. The Carbon levy (TAX) or Carbon taxes is being foisted on the people by the ultimate Big Gov. the Globalists. The main purpose is to further deteriorate the middle class, all private property rights, and create a dysfunctional working poor (slaves) packed and stacked into SUSTAINABLE living cities (feed lots for humans), with limited travel rights. Almost all the politicians are not credible, they are stuffing their pockets as fast as they can because they know they can’t maintain the lies much longer. People are awakening to their deceptions in droves, the time of the political corruption is drawing to an end. The choice has come, stand up to your overlords or kneel in servitude. STAND !!!!!!
commented 2016-06-05 22:58:07 -0400
+Sheldon Berg.
> 1. What is the normal concentration of CO2 for the earth’s atmosphere and why is that value considered normal?

It depends upon what time range you are looking at. For the last million years or so, it is around 220 – 250 ppm, and we are now at 407 ppm of CO2.
But “normal” over the last 150 million years is more in the range of 2000 to 4000 ppm.
Plants will do much better with CO2 over 400 ppm.
commented 2016-06-05 18:36:59 -0400
The knee jerk solutions to climate change will do far more damage than any changes in the climate. I’ll put my faith in the 3% of scientists who obviously for whatever reasons aren’t worried enough about job losses and ridicule to go against the religion of GW and call it as they see it.
commented 2016-06-05 18:23:48 -0400
All of these main stream politicians have sold out, all of them. It’s nothing but a country of lies and thieving politicians.
commented 2016-06-05 17:43:47 -0400
Well, there is a need for a new Conservative party both Federally and Provincially, because they have been over taken by Aliens it appears, and the fundamentals are gone. They say that Harper would hold back the base to stay elected. The base whatever that actually is, will no longer vote for a Conservative Gov’t that acts like Liberals. You cannot just say, just wait, Just wait, just one more time.. just wait.
At that point, you lose the election because we don’t vote for you any more. You just wait, we will get someone else.
commented 2016-06-05 17:43:47 -0400
Well, there is a need for a new Conservative party both Federally and Provincially, because they have been over taken by Aliens it appears, and the fundamentals are gone. They say that Harper would hold back the base to stay elected. The base whatever that actually is, will no longer vote for a Conservative Gov’t that acts like Liberals. You cannot just say, just wait, Just wait, just one more time.. just wait.
At that point, you lose the election because we don’t vote for you any more. You just wait, we will get someone else.
commented 2016-06-05 16:55:27 -0400
Can anyone provide a strong scientific case in plain language that shows CO2 is a dangerous GHG that will have a significant impact on global climate? I have never heard one.

Here are my questions:

1. What is the normal concentration of CO2 for the earth’s atmosphere and why is that value considered normal?
2. What are all of the natural causes that contribute to CO2 levels? Do they vary?
3. What are the other GHG’s in the atmosphere that contribute to the greenhouse effect? I know of methane and water vapour (technically not a gas)?
4. What factors other than GHG’s contribute to global temperatures and how do they vary? Examples might be ocean currents and the Suns radiation and solar activity.
5. How much CO2 emitted by human activity would need to be stopped to reduce global temperatures by one degree Celsius? What would be the cost in US dollars to achieve this one degree temperature reduction?
6. What happens to the money collected from carbon levies, taxes, etc? Who gets that money? How does the money prevent CO2 emissions?
7. Why do people refer to CO2 as carbon and not CO2?
8. Since human beings exhale CO2, why would there not be a tax for every human over their lifetime to account for their CO2 ‘pollution’?
9. Since we know that the earth’s climate has changed dramatically without human activity why do we think something unique is happening now?
10. Why do so many of the most vocal climate change alarmists (David Suzuki, Al Gore, Leonardo Decaprio, etc) live some of the most lavish lifestyles and ostensibly emit more CO2 than the average citizen? Why the double standard?
11. Why would anyone falsify data to support the climate change narrative? We know that numbers were deliberately cooked in studies to support a global temperature rise? Why would people do that in the name of science? Can the public trust scientists?
12. Why has there been so little (none from what I can see) objectivity in the major media outlets on this topic? Why has the CBC, BBC, Toronto Star, NYT, etc jumped in with both feet in accepting the climate change storyline?
13. If we contrast Nuclear weapons with CO2 emissions and climate change then why is there so little said about nuclear weapons when the danger from atomic missiles is more dangerous and likely?

By the way, since when does science operate by consensus? Do scientists now vote on the veracity of a scientific theory or fact? Science should be an enterprise based on objectivity and empirical facts. Consensus has nothing to do with it. If we have to appeal to ‘scientific consensus’ we should be suspicious. Is the public now so indifferent and possibly dumb that they cannot evaluate scientific facts on their own?

We are ‘sheople’ and I fear we are being led led towards the dinner table.
commented 2016-06-05 16:30:08 -0400
Ezra,
Keep on this guy.

Put on your investigative reporter hat;
and dig up the dirt on this rat’s nest of kickbacks, bribes, sweeteners, launderings, under the table payoffs, financial inducements, hush money, slush funds and outright kleptocracy.

Trace that money funnel upstream to its source;
it’ll probably lead to the head of the snake.

There is something immoral going on here;
when one has to be evasive to avoid the truth.

@climatefallacy
commented 2016-06-05 15:26:31 -0400
Regardless of wealth, this has been a liberal tactic for decades of pretending to be a conservative or even someone who would vote conservative in order to get your agenda adopted by the cons as a vote getting tool.

The French/Quebec Left have been doing it for years pretending that they are conservatives or may vote conservative, but will not if the cons don’t placate (butt kiss) Quebec and will not vote for them if the cons try and change bilingualism from a French/French languge preferential treatment tool.

Stanfield, Mulroney and Harper bought into it, sold out to Quebec and to the French Language Supremacists at the expense of other provinces and languages resulting in not getting elected, or losing an election that was not helped by the actual loss of true conservative votes who would not vote any party doing this, even if they were the least bigoted party in acting this way
commented 2016-06-05 14:24:59 -0400
PETER NETTERVILLE said: “Can you be ever so kind, Sean, and post a comment on your definition of what is “far right”? Please be specific. I really am curious what you think being “far right” entails.”

Simple answer; anyone who is not Sean. Beyond that I seriously doubt there is an explanation!
commented 2016-06-05 14:12:15 -0400
Oh Keith, you sound like you’ve had a rough day.
commented 2016-06-05 13:41:42 -0400
Free Markets, Property Rights and Climate Change: How to Privatize Climate Policy

Many believers in anthropogenic global warming (AGW) would see the fate of Icarus as a precursor of the fate of the human race. If carbon emissions are not reduced sufficiently to constrain AGW to a level that does not threaten dangerous climate change, our wings will indeed melt. The implication is that there is a case for government intervention in market activity to prevent this disastrous outcome.

It is true that the effects of AGW might prevent people from exercising their rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; for example, their territory might be inundated. And it is also true that it is the duty of governments to protect these rights. However, this duty must not be discharged through government regulation of market processes, for several reasons. First, such a policy is based on the assumption of orthodox or neoclassical economics that AGW is a case of market failure, indeed ‘market failure on the greatest scale the world has seen’ . For, as Austrian economists and libertarian political philosophers argue, it is not markets that have failed but governments in failing to allocate property rights. Second, far from being the greatest market failure, the AGW hypothesis may rather be the greatest moral panic the world has ever seen.

There is no secure foundation in climate science for the current policy rhetoric; governments simply lack the knowledge to operate climate policy effectively. All existing climate policy instruments including taxes, subsidies, regulation and emissions trading should therefore be swept away. Both CINOs and socialists who see command economics (carbon taxing) as solutions should read this to understand how the private sector and true free market demand economics is the only way to achieve positive environmental goals

http://libertarianpapers.org/wp-content/uploads/article/2011/lp-3-10.pdf:
commented 2016-06-05 13:40:04 -0400
4 FREEDOM – Excellent synopsis is five short paragraphs… And the obvious problem is that this melange of ills may stop cynical people from acting on local pollution problems which really do need addressing…
commented 2016-06-05 13:28:34 -0400
Carbon taxing (a concept as thin as the air it presumes to regulate) is wealth redistribution with a new wrapper. Regional carbon taxing is stealing wealth from the local producer/consumer to give to local political cronies, – national carbon taxing is redistributing wealth nationally from western carbon based industry to an eastern power elite, – and global carbon taxing is redistributing western wealth and resources to unelected global governing cabals.

The face men pimping this mutated financial insider Marxist wealth grab are simply globalist bootlickers or useful idiots – the architects of this global shift in wealth are grey men who work for the globalist power elite in NYC, Brussels, The Hague, Bonn, Geneva, Bern, Rome and Vienna. This is the true fiscal power on the globe and they will be solidifying that power through the political influence of climate doom taxation. This commodifies the most abundant element on earth and monopolizes exchange trade in it – it is the new global currency and it is backed by the theft of profit from western commodity market supply chains and consumer base demand

Regimes for taxing “carbon” are essentially handcuffing productivity and prosperity and redirecting the wealth of the free market to corrupt insiders who want insulation from free market demand forces – it is market/productivity/supply chain/command economics writ large and it will destroy western prosperity for a wide segment of the lower stratas of society. It is the end of free market demand economies.

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/cato-working-paper-33.pdf
commented 2016-06-05 13:12:58 -0400
Ezra, you seem to picked up quite a progressive following. They must be getting worried.
commented 2016-06-05 12:43:00 -0400
Deacon Frost commented 7 hours ago
Keith there you go talking about men blowing other men. Is that all you think about?

We are talking about kickback to Conservative politicians by shit bag marxists who abuse taxpayer dollars to make this happen. Everyone has a price.

Your price appears to be a minimum wage check from Soros and a couple of dry runs when Soros gets the itch. Keep sucking your way to a better life – you marxist turds call that socialist utopia, right???
commented 2016-06-05 12:16:22 -0400
This has been going on since the early 50’s and in some ways before that, but now it’s our turn. The elite have fundamentally raped the world and now we will be their next chattel.
commented 2016-06-05 11:33:45 -0400
Currently, global warming (or whatever clever fallacious label it is given) is the biggest scam going, period. In certain situations, there are pollution issues, but definitely not the fallacy of man-made global warming. If one’s intuition is compromised, seek and listen to the wisdom of an integrous realist, scientist, or astrophysicist to reacquaint with truth.

Carbon tax is the first in a long line of, still to come, cleverly deceitful memes to control and steal from the economic engines (hard-working people & small businesses) of an advanced and peaceful society in order to serve the ego gratifications of power and entitlements. Utopian fantasies have disastrous consequences when reality and the human condition are ignored.

It is, and has been for some time, so ridiculously obvious that aversion for truth and UNcommonsense has seriously eroded and displaced critical thinking and analysis, facts, principles, values, and ethics in so many people, especially modern day leaders and politicians. The unchecked narcissistic ego of the petulant child along with the slight-of-hand Marxist indoctrination techniques has poisoned all areas of human life, all aided and abetted by the MSM, has manifested into extremely virulent delusional warping and departure from reality.

Witnessing the aggrandizement and proselytization of gross lies, deceitfulness, vulgarity, willful contempt, overt emotionalism, vengefulness and gross behaviors of politicians, leaders, people of influence, SWJ’s, special interest groups, extreme activists, and the media, et al, one can observe the devastating effects of the post-modern deconstructionism of a civil society and how this has severely impaired the social justice system, the courts, law enforcement, health care system, education, etc., etc., as well as, the general populace.

As of yet, there still remains two avenues to correcting this very serious problem in western society: Option 1) the preferential utilization of peaceful integrous voting (if available); or, Option 2) revolution/war. For Option 1 to be effective, it still requires the key element of integrous conservative leadership to vote for. As a safeguard, one must be prepared for Option 2.
commented 2016-06-05 10:19:35 -0400
Sean Penson said, " … and the far right Gordon Campbell …"

Can you be ever so kind, Sean, and post a comment on your definition of what is “far right”? Please be specific. I really am curious what you think being “far right” entails.
commented 2016-06-05 09:48:51 -0400
Let’s face it, everyone needs to clean up their own act to help preserve this wonderful earth.
Look at India, China, look at the debris in the oceans. Coral is dying and sealife is mutating. We are eating fish that are full of estrogen from women taking the pill (urine).
I agree with Henry Reardon. What is the point of all the possible destruction that could take place with environmental ‘solutions’, and I’m thinking wind turbines here, when much could be done in your own backyard, almost literally.
Me thinks it is a money scheme!
commented 2016-06-05 09:29:19 -0400
Al, kudos for a funny Peter Pan reference.
commented 2016-06-05 08:48:55 -0400
Deacon Frost, I think you misplaced the names. All you described is true of Peter Pan. No one on earth is worshipped and thrives on it like him.The CBC is the spiritual wing of the Liberal party. The whole global warming myth is a molehill being made into a mountain. Please be more careful next time.
commented 2016-06-05 08:11:18 -0400
Why would such a shill for big oil be in favour of a carbon tax? Dizzy Levant is behind the curve on this one. Levant is such a loser.
commented 2016-06-05 08:07:21 -0400
DIETER CUNTH

How’s your anal fixation today? GFY
commented 2016-06-05 06:50:42 -0400
Sean Penson commented,
“BC has had a carbon tax for about a decade, and the far right Gordon Campbell brought it in. The BC Liberals have been reelected at least twice since, thus it will be popular”

There is no far right in Canadian politics you bent little knob, it may seem that way to you because it is clear from your past postings that you are so far left that it is almost off the political chart.
commented 2016-06-05 06:22:57 -0400
BC has had a carbon tax for about a decade, and the far right Gordon Campbell brought it in. The BC Liberals have been reelected at least twice since, thus it will be popular
commented 2016-06-05 05:52:56 -0400
Keith there you go talking about men blowing other men. Is that all you think about?
commented 2016-06-05 05:51:39 -0400
Deacon Frost commented 1 hour ago
Ezra has such thin skin. It’s always one set of rules for him, another set for everyone else. I honestly think the guy would die if he had to go a week without being worshipped by his viewers or if he had to go a week without making mountains out of molehills.

Really? Name one specific example Right, you don’t have one. Why don’t you fuck off and go blow your Hair-clog Trudeau over at Torstar / CBC????
commented 2016-06-05 05:50:05 -0400
No question, Mark Cameron is being paid off to hold an opinion that more taxes are good.

This is not coming from secret elites. This is coming from shitbag Notley – extracting cash from a government budget is a piece of cake – either directly or through a vendor.

It was rumored that Wynne paid off Hudak to get those useless windmills into south western Ontario.

It’s called the single party system, much like the US. It’s all big goobmint, socialist thinking now – until the global financial collapse – then it will be called hell on earth.