January 14, 2016

SHOCK: Rich Hollywood liberal Kiefer Sutherland LOVES Canadian healthcare (but doesn't have to use it)

Sheila Gunn ReidRebel Commentator

Newsflash: A rich Hollywood actor likes socialism!

Who is as unsurprised as I am that Kiefer Sutherland has confidence in Trudeau's Liberals to "protect" socialized health care?

Sutherland told the Canadian Press that "The value of health care to the average Canadian has been deeply undervalued by the Conservative party for 16 years and I do not believe in a two-tier health-care system in Canada" and "The fact that the Liberal party is going to do much more to try and protect health care in Canada is something that I find encouraging."

Besides being a typical Hollywood liberal Sutherland's grandfather, Tommy Douglas, founded the broken health care system we Canadians all are legally forced to access. Of course he likes socialized health care. He doesn’t have to use it. Sutherland has been out of the country so long that he can't even vote here.

Does anyone really think Sutherland would be willing to wait the 181 day average that it takes to access an orthopedic operating room in that Liberal government poster child of Ontario? I don’t.


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commented 2016-01-15 17:55:24 -0500
24 makes him an expert on Canada, just like his Dad even though neither one lived here
commented 2016-01-15 16:45:13 -0500
Sheila, I agree with you being critical of Kiefer Sutherland trying to pump up the Liberals and how great they would be for Canada’s healthcare. However, try not to dump too hard on Tommy Douglas (Kiefer’s grandpa). First of all, Douglas alone did not found the universal health care in Canada. Saskatchewan as early as the 1930’s had what were called Union Hospitals of which Saskatchewan municipalities where they were situated would collect taxes so that people without funds could see a doctor. In the region of Southwestern Saskatchewan, the rural economy during the 1930’s depression, was the worst anywhere (Palliser’s Triangle, a semi-desert even in the best of times). Child mortality here was the highest in the province. After WWII the municipalities around Swift Current, eventually with the assistance of Tommy Douglas’ newly elected CCF government in 1947, formed the first universal health care system in the world and it even included dental care for children up to age 16. Within a few years, what is now known as Health Region No. 1, had the lowest infant and child mortality in the province. It wasn’t until 1961, 14 years after Douglas was elected, that the entire province was under universal health care and Canada much later. When Douglas was elected he promised to provincialize health care, power, telephones and bus transport but only when the government had the money to do so. Douglas encouraged development of resources and business (much like conservative Brad Wall, from Swift Current, is doing now in the province). Douglas also vowed to remove the deficit that the provincial Liberals had left him with and did so. The provincializing of electricity, telephones and bus service ensured that the remote rural farms and communities in the province would have such services (at the time it was too expensive for private companies to offer services in many areas of the province). As far as unions are concerned, there were none and Douglas helped the non-union coal miners in Estevan organize for their lot was a far, far cry from the unions of today, having not only low pay but also dangerous working conditions. And Douglas was there to help Saskatchewan small business, the family farm of which there were many at that time. Douglas would travel to small communities throughout the province for meetings and would be the first to arrive to meet and greet those who came and the last to leave staying to answer all and any questions. Once a man entered the Legislative Buildings and burst into Douglas’ office with a gun threatening to shoot him. Douglas was in a cabinet meeting in an inner office and somehow his secretary convinced the man to leave. Douglas came out just after the man left his office and upon being told of this event he opened the door and chased after the man (must have wanted to see what his problem was and obviously he was never shot by this person!). Now, there are NO socialists anywhere like this man was. Perhaps, you can chalk it up to an earlier era but that is so unfortunate that NONE of our politicians are like that today. However, any conservative politician would be better than what we now have in Alberta, Ontario and Ottawa and better than what exists in most other provinces.
commented 2016-01-15 12:57:56 -0500
I am severely torn on this issue. I have two chronic diseases, through no fault of my own (T1 diabetes, hypothyroid). I understand the benefits of two-tiered healthcare, being able to pay-for-service. That said, I also have experience with that as well. In Finland, where I have spent a lot of time over the years, there is two-tiered healthcare. Basically, in my opinion, the public system is decimated, as a lot of Finnish native doctors have gone private, and to a lesser degree, the nurses also. This leaves a chronic shortage in the public system. If you got the cash, you get great care, otherwise you stagnate in the public system. My philosophies promote freedom-of-choice, but my condition dictates that no private health insurer would ever cover me due to pre-existing conditions, or at least at a sustainable cost. I think it may to unfair to force healthy people to subsidize healthcare for unhealthy people, but when someone has not caused their lack of health through self-infliction, would it not be unfair to bankrupt them due to their condition? Therein lies the dilemma.
commented 2016-01-15 11:26:57 -0500
Wonderful system. I just spent 7 HOURS at a hospital Emerg. with my wife. ONE overworked Doctor on the floor and 3-4 nurses. 7 hours later (and $15.00 in parking fees) she had a prescription, and we were on our way home.. We were not the exception either. there must have been 40 other people in that waiting area and the average wait was 6-7 hours. If you had a screaming child you got through a little faster, but even that was 5-6 hours. Funny, I doubt if I would EVER see Kiefer Sutherland in a wait like that, or Justin Trudeau for that matter.. Who says there isn’t a two tier system in Canada. Fast Medical access is measured by your political/social position, and the thickness of your wallet. Don’t let ANYONE tell you different.
commented 2016-01-15 10:32:24 -0500
another Beverly hills rehab addict preaching to who…who knows?
straighten your own life out before you end up as another story of some pathetic hollywood junkie that died with a needle in their arm and a pile of cash in their swiss account.
commented 2016-01-15 09:55:57 -0500
In the movie, ‘Flatliners’, Kiefer was clearly clinically dead for too long such that his brain is now the result of oxygen starvation.
commented 2016-01-15 09:13:06 -0500
Doesn’t pay into it does not use it, No doubt has top tier insurance in the us, so he uses a multi tiered system himself, yet he still finds the time to tell us minions whats good for us. And my personal favorite PAYS NO CANADIAN TAXES. Very tired of idiot celebrities telling us how to live.
commented 2016-01-15 07:53:34 -0500
His Grandfather was the Premier if Saskatchewan, Tommy Douglas who was credited for bringing healthcare to Canada. I would say that is why he is weiging in on this.
commented 2016-01-15 01:55:27 -0500
Mike the man, that comment of yours is identical to one you posted when you were Duh Silva. You are slipping. And what ever you do, don’t get cancer in Ontario, or any province in Canada for that matter. The reality that ‘OHIP’ isn’t really wonderful medical care alone, would probably kill you.
commented 2016-01-15 01:16:58 -0500
We already have a two tier healthcare system in Canada. When you can’t get the care promised to you under the Canada Health Act you go and buy it in the US or Germany. In south eastern Manitoba where I live well over 100 people have gone to Germany in the last several years to get back surgery done. At least that many have gone from the south west. So we have somewhere in the neighbourhood of 250 in Southern Manitoba alone buying health care with mortgages or loans or life savings. This does not include those who have gone to the US to do the same. So I’m thinking somewhere in the neighbourhood of 800 to 1000 Manitobans are paying for their healthcare with after tax dollars in the last 10 years. In our area there are constant fund raising suppers etc to help the less well off go to Germany for surgery. In fact the surgeons from the US and Germany travel here to meet with patients.

The way this worked for me was that in 6 1/2 years 9 specialists could not give me a diagnosis. The German doctor and the American doctor looked at my MRI results and told me more in 5 minutes than my Manitoba docs did in going on 7 years. They happen to be the same results that I found on the internet by investigating my MRI written reports. But if the province does not make a diagnosis then they don’t have to pay for the surgeries. So our Yankee neighbours had best think twice before jumping on our bandwagon. Like all socialist policies it sounds good in theory but the reality is quite different.

In order to see a surgeon the US I had to get a new MRI done. I asked for it in early December and under a rush request I got an appointment in April 3. I heard of a private MRI clinic in North Dakota and had it done for $400 three days later. This clinic was refused operating status in MB. Gotta keep those health care costs under control by lining the pockets of our unionized voters, I guess.
commented 2016-01-15 00:54:35 -0500
When arguing this subject the argument I hear the most against a two tier system is the following: “How is a system which caters to the rich be better for the poor?” (this one was taking from a Youtube comment section) or something along this line.
What people who post this argument don’t understand is that by given the individual person a choice to opt for a private or two tier system, it will in-turn decrease the line and the wait time for the “poor”. Freeing up resources and revenue for the people at large….(and if anything the Health System might even have a greater revenue pool, because the new private health ventures that would start up would pay taxes; taxes that could be used for the health care system).
And being from Cuba and leaved in Venezuela for some time, I could firsthand attest that a socialist health care system always fails catastrophically. And eugenicist and socialist Tommy Douglas “Health Care System” is no exception.
And what got me puzzled is that this Health care system is been around since the 1960’s (1961 I think), that is what? 55 years? And every year that passes it get worst and worst and worst and less reliable no matter how much money one pile at it, but yet people still champion it as a great thing and refuse to make any changes to it (unless that change includes increasing its budgets of course)
But as for me, I am looking forward to a health care where I have the choice and where I am in charge of the kind of health care I want; and I think that might happen through technology. I think that could happen with companies like Scanadu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9bLZFxTb_0 or Cloud DX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vrkm6lR1uU and many companies like it……just like Uber and Airbnb free us from restriction on how we move around and how we travel, technology is going to give us the freedom to go about our everyday life with minimal regulations and bureaucracy…… it is just the beginning my friend, it is just the beginning…….at least that is my opinion any ways
commented 2016-01-15 00:20:49 -0500
Considering that Sutherland is a wild substance abuser, he has enhanced the profit centres at many a private rehab centre. No doubt that his years of indulgence of alcohol and every drug under the sun has left him brain damaged. This sort of mindset is typical of substance-addicted narcissists.
commented 2016-01-14 23:48:23 -0500
I still hate the biggest Canadian sellout, neil young , more than this cretin.
commented 2016-01-14 22:06:56 -0500
Another arrogant actor that I’ve added to my list of those I will never watch again. Not that I ever watched him in anything, but now that I know what he thinks, I would never watch him in anything.
commented 2016-01-14 21:13:05 -0500
Kiefer Sutherland does not pay tax in Canada. What gives him the right to say anything about Canada. And wtf is up with the media even caring about what he thinks. His dad turned out to be a real doorknob, why should Kiefer be any different?
commented 2016-01-14 20:44:36 -0500
You do know that Jack Bower isn’t a real person, eh Mikey the movie guy?
commented 2016-01-14 20:32:43 -0500
Haha, you rock Sheila!
Sutherland doesn’t sound like a very researched person.
Kind of like DiCullprio who thinks global warming exists because he felt a Chinook wind in Alberta.

Can people please take a critical thinking workshop!!!! :)

commented 2016-01-14 20:31:13 -0500
OHIP has been fantastic for me for almost 30 years – I was obviously born in the system and this has been Canada for as long as I have been alive, so why would I want that to change.

Sure I have to pay more in taxes and things may cost more, but I accept that trade off of being able to go into a hospital/see my doctor and never get a bill.
commented 2016-01-14 20:28:32 -0500
I been waiting 4 years for a new knee. Finally got a date. Gotta love Ontario health care!