September 10, 2015

Syrian refugees: Are Harper's security concerns legitimate? Obama's national security chief says yes

Brian LilleyRebel Co-Founder
 

Have you noticed how many people and pundits get offended by the slightest suggestion that allowing Syrian refugees into Canada poses a security threat?

Prime Minister Harper is taking a lot of heat for calling for a calm, considered response to the crisis.

But remember: There is no "good" side in the Syrian civil war as far as the West is concerned.

Even bringing in members of the Free Syrian Army poses a problem because some of them may have committed war crimes.

No less than Obama's National Security csar, James Clapper, is raising a red flag on this topic, citing ISIS's vow to infiltrate the groups of migrants heading to Europe and North America.

Note that 72% of the refugees now entering Europe are fighting age men.

The real refugees are in official UN camps.

Those are the people we should be helping.

PS: Canada is second in the world when it comes to allowing in UN refugees like these.

It's a myth that Canada has fallen to 15th place.

Don't let Trudeau and Mulcair convince you otherwise.


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commented 2015-09-11 23:03:16 -0400
BRAVO ZULU, writes, “For all – halal fees are evil – the cash goes to support terror” which
TERRY RUDDEN deftly and cleverly turns into, “If you’re stating, as you seem to be, that all revenues from the certification of Halal foods goes to support terror, can you please provide your most credible source?”
Let’s go with some of the questions I raised previously:
Does some or a portion of the collected money for halal certification go towards funding Islamic needs and activities (which could include supporting a Mosque or a Muslim school), including the funding of terrorism? and
Does anybody care that you may involuntarily be helping to fund Islamic terrorism?
A Canadian source expressing concern about the dispensation of funds gained through halal certification:
http://pointdebasculecanada.ca/muslim-association-of-canada-a-contributor-to-hamas-fund-collector-controls-halal-certification-in-quebec/
commented 2015-09-11 18:47:07 -0400
No problem Keith, you apologized and it was an accident; and it was from a respected writer.

Jimmy dS does it as a matter of course on a regular basis to clog the system when discussion doesn’t go his way.
commented 2015-09-11 15:50:40 -0400
BZ: unfortunately incessant repetition doesn’t make a statement truer.
If you’re stating, as you seem to be, that all revenues from the certification of Halal foods goes to support terror, can you please provide your most credible source?
commented 2015-09-11 15:35:44 -0400
@ Terry Rudden – if I did it was by accident – I have to the best of my knowledge not named anyone – I was only speaking in generalities. And you were not the target.

For all – halal fees are evil – the cash goes to support terror – enough people who are smarter than me have admitted that – so those who would tell me I am not an expert I would agree – I am not – however there are enough experts that agree – so I will continue to say and promote – halal fees are evil
commented 2015-09-11 15:31:55 -0400
Sorry about the length of my previous Post. I just used copy and paste for the first few paragraphs, so I thought, but I seem to have copied the whole dammed page.
The Post was copied from Brian Spencer of Jihad Watch. A good Site to visit.
commented 2015-09-11 14:34:46 -0400
Anyone who thinks the “refugees” now flooding into Europe are all harmless little children like Alan Kurdi may want to consider this short video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=45&v=UpZuEmKwNjM

I don’t speak Arabic but I certainly recognize the refrain of Allah Akbar which is said repeatedly at about the 20 second mark of this video. Look at how angry the man leading the chant is. Look at the age of the people around him: all young men of fighting age. Look at the faces of the Europeans riding the trains with these “refugees”. How would you feel about a similar event on your local bus, subway or commuter train?

Now, tell me that Mulcair is right and that we should forget about vetting refugees to make sure they aren’t ISIS fighters!
And don’t play the “odds are” game, as in “Odds are that only well-educated pro-Western people with young children will come to Canada”: remember, if you don’t screen these people, you do NOTHING to ensure that they aren’t ISIS or Al-Qaida fighters. Mulcair and Trudeau should know that. In fact, it’s almost inconceivable to me that they don’t. That means if they go ahead and accept anyone claiming to be a “refugee”, there is every chance that they could be importing ISIS/Al-Qaida fighters right into the heart of this country WITH THE KNOWING HELP AND SUPPORT OF TWO WOULD-BE PRIME MINISTERS!

We were shocked when a tiny handful of ISIS wannabes committed acts like the assault on Parliament. Just imagine what happens if we take in hundreds of trained fighters dedicated to destroying our way of life and establishing another branch of the caliphate right here!

I don’t think I’ve ever had to make a voting decision that was easier. We MUST vet ALL refugee claimants thoroughly, otherwise, we might as well just cut our own heads off and save jihadis the trouble.
commented 2015-09-11 13:51:55 -0400
From Robert Spencer The Reuters headline was “Obama wants U.S. to prepare for 10,000 Syrian refugees next year: White House.”

Prepare? How can we prepare? Bomb shelters? Underground bunkers? Metal detectors at shopping malls? Funeral arrangements? Exactly what preparations does the President expect us to make?

I know what you’re thinking: there you go again, Spencer, you racist, bigoted Islamophobe. Here is Barack Obama magnanimously opening America’s doors to a desperate population in crisis, and you’re demanding that our nation’s hospitality not be tendered to these poor people – and why not? Just because they are “brown”?

Nope. That’s not the problem at all, although as always, charges of “racism” will be used to drown out any dissenting voices. The real problem is that last February, the Islamic State promised to flood Europe in the near future with as many as 500,000 refugees. That future is upon us, and it is important to note that the Islamic State was not simply talking about engulfing the continent in a humanitarian crisis that would strain its resources to the breaking point. The jihadis were also planning to cross into Europe among those refugees, and now they’re boasting that they have done so.

An Islamic State operative boasted last week that among the flood of refugees, 4,000 Islamic State jihadis had entered Europe. “They are going like refugees,” he said, but they were going with the plan of sowing blood and mayhem on European streets. As he told this to journalists, he smiled and said, “Just wait.” He explained: “It’s our dream that there should be a caliphate not only in Syria but in all the world, and we will have it soon, inshallah.”

And now Barack Obama is bringing 10,000 of these refugees to the United States. How many Islamic State jihadis will be among them? No one can say, but what jihadi would pass up a chance to go to the Great Satan itself, and win his share of virgins by destroying an American landmark or mass murdering American infidels wholesale?

Such talk is, of course, “hateful” and “Islamophobic,” besides the evergreen “racist.” Now we see the cost of this manipulative sloganeering: an untold number of Americans is virtually certain to die at the hands of jihadis hidden among these refugees, and the public square is so corrupt and compromised that it isn’t even possible to have a mature and thoughtful public debate about the Islamic concept of emigration and the role it may be playing in this refugee crisis.

So here is one way that lovers of freedom can prepare, as Obama wants us to, for this “refugee” influx: call upon your elected officials to oppose this, and endeavor in every possible way to inform them about the Islamic State’s statements and the facts that the overwhelming majority of these refugees are male, Muslims, and able-bodied. Where are the women who have been displaced? Where are the elderly or chronically ill people? Where are the non-Muslims, even as tens of thousands of Christians have been driven out of their ancestral homelands?

The Qur’an says: “And whoever emigrates for the cause of Allah will find on the earth many locations and abundance. And whoever leaves his home as an emigrant to Allah and His Messenger and then death overtakes him, his reward has already become incumbent upon Allah. And Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.” (4:100) To emigrate for the cause of Allah is to come to a non-Muslim land with the goal of subverting its existing order and Islamizing it, as Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, did when he moved from Mecca to Medina – a move so significant that it, not Muhammad’s birth or death or becoming a prophet, stands as the Year One of the Islamic calendar. Are we to believe that absolutely none of the refugees in Europe now and on their way to the United States have the hijrah in mind? Are we really supposed to accept that none of the Muslim refugees thinks this refugee crisis is a golden opportunity to bring Islam to Europe and the United States?

That thought has certainly crossed the mind of Islamic State operatives. But why should Barack Obama be expected to take seriously the boasts and threats of the “JV team” that is so weak and powerless that it only controls an area the size of Great Britain and wealth beyond that of many established nations?

These 10,000 refugees will almost certainly not be the last to come to America. They and their fellow refugees will likely transform America forever, as Obama promised to do when he first ran for President. Meanwhile, several Muslim countries have declined to take any refugees from Syria, citing the terror risk. Those racist Islamophobes! If, in a few years, the Statue of Liberty is a smoking ruin and Obama’s successor is living in hiding while the White House is repaired from a jihad terror attack, courtesy some of these “refugees,” American policymakers may wish they had worked more forcefully to make sure that the U.S. followed the example of those Muslim countries. But at the moment, the political cost is just too high for anyone who opposes this refugee influx – even though the societal cost of ignoring the threat is likely to be astronomical.

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FILED UNDER: BARACK OBAMA, FEATURED, SYRIA
TAGGED WITH: HIJRAH

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J. Bruce says
September 11, 2015 at 10:13 am

Let’s face it. It’s time for civil disobedience. If the citizenry won’t rise up to stop this no one will.

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jihad3tracker says
September 11, 2015 at 10:17 am

AS ROBERT WRITES, CALL YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS. BUT ASK TO SPEAK TO THE CHIEF OF STAFFNOT SOME OVERWORKED INTERN.

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richie says
September 11, 2015 at 12:27 pm

This has already happened in western MA- thousands of uneducated and unskillec somali Muslims were dumped into the area. No shock most went on wefare, crime skyrocketed and property values plumeted. Will these Syrian “migrants” be required to get a job, or will i suspect they sponge off the state?

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Jay Boo says
September 11, 2015 at 10:26 am

Obviously, Obama wants us to take — (the “Literature of 9/11 course) of Islamic indoctriation at UNC Chapel Hill this fall that was mentioned in the earlier Jihad Watch article.

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gil says
September 11, 2015 at 10:35 am

If these people were with isis how would they look????

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TheBuffster says
September 11, 2015 at 12:27 pm

Just like all the refugees that aren’t with ISIS.

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Charles R.L. Power says
September 11, 2015 at 1:37 pm

Nothing to worry about. As soon as these little problems in Syria clear up (what can that take, maybe two or three weeks?), all these guys will eagerly go back to their beloved homeland. Just like all the other refugees who’ve come to the United States.

Maybe we can farm them out to Catholic churches.

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commented 2015-09-11 13:20:26 -0400
“No less than Obama’s National Security csar, James Clapper, is raising a red flag” on taking in Syrian refugees. If this is true, I know a Czar who may soon be out of a job.
commented 2015-09-11 12:32:21 -0400
CHARLETON G points out “the fees are buried in the retail price” which raises some very important questions:

1. Is there a cost for halal certification?
2. If so, does this mean that the retail price is higher because of the cost for halal certification?
3. Who gets the money that is paid for the halal certification?
4. Does some or a portion of the collected money for halal certification go towards funding Islamic needs and activities, including the funding of terrorism?
5. Does anybody care that you may involuntarily be helping to fund Islamic terrorism?
commented 2015-09-11 12:27:08 -0400
He has as much qualifications to comment on food certification as you do Terry.

Arrogant socialist are idiots.
commented 2015-09-11 12:22:27 -0400
BZ; sorry, but with all due respect, your military service clearly does not qualify you to comment on food certification and retailing. I suspect you’re getting your information from unreliable sources, of the sort described under the link I provided.
When you reference the “trolls” who had never been to a third world country – were you talking about me?
commented 2015-09-11 12:16:44 -0400
@ Terry Rudden – in the end the person in the store often buys those products unknowingly – then that money is siphoned back to the terror organizations – I se you do not believe this however if you ever get on to the two way rifle range you will appreciate the truth in it – halal fees sponsor terror and the public pays them when they buy the products – and most of the time they buy them quite unknowingly.
commented 2015-09-11 11:50:22 -0400
There was a hit popular song on the hit parade in 1965 or 1967 called, “Fools Rush In”m Hence the lyrics: Fools Rush in were wise men never go!
There you have a perfect description of Thomas Mulcair, Justin Trudeau and the Main Stream Media!
commented 2015-09-11 11:30:39 -0400
Charleton: correct. The supplier incurs the charge, which affects the cost to the retailer and the consumer. The same is true of any kind of food certification, including those measure required for compliance with the Canada Food Safety Act.
commented 2015-09-11 11:28:04 -0400
BZ: are you referring to me?
commented 2015-09-11 11:08:59 -0400
Rudden you are the troll. Sorry to see you back.
commented 2015-09-11 11:07:09 -0400
Rudden the fees are buried in the retail price. That’s how things work.
commented 2015-09-11 11:06:14 -0400
@ Hyacinth – Appreciate the links – I had not seen some of them. As for the truth against the trolls – I actually like the trolls as they test a person – and allow me to actually see how many Canadians think. It also shows how easily Canada could become a third world country if the trolls were allowed to make the decisions.

Most of them have never been to a third world country – even some of the financial centres – like Riyadh and Dubai are not the real world – and the few who get there from Canada never go beyond the boundaries – and there for never see the garbage and the pollution and the poverty and the cruelty that islam always brings when it arrives in big enough numbers.

There is not on Islamic country that lives in peace and no fear. Not one. And those that are considered quiet by their standards – are quiet because of brutal force, torture and “disappearances”. Believe me when I tell you that this is a very common occurrence under sharia law.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui1Gbm3bMEA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5TK2OmTkSQ

I have cleaned up these messes in other islamic countries as a military person – why bring it here?
commented 2015-09-11 10:40:40 -0400
BZ: I am quite familiar with the bullshit being slung in the Australian social media. In fact, I wondered if that was your source. It seems it was. Briefly, you are mistaken on several fronts.
- Grocers don’t “charge” halal fees. They buy halal certified products from suppliers.
- Suppliers who choose to sell halal certified products, OR kosher products, MUST pay for the certfication, and that’s absolutely legitimate: certification requires an inspection of facilities and production methods, and that’s a real cost to the certifying agency.
http://www.news.com.au/finance/small-business/halal-conspiracy-theorists-bullying-australian-businesses/story-fn9evb64-1227119726790
commented 2015-09-11 10:39:59 -0400
i have seen the UN’s promotional video’s of refugees coming into Germany with supporters clapping and cheering, my emotions were overwhelming me…until I had seen the other side of the videos (non UN produced) of young men throwing shit and calls at people trying to help them…
commented 2015-09-11 10:36:08 -0400
Bravo Zulu. I like the way you think. Funny enough, I was very recently talking to a lady that owns a super market about this Halal issue. She told how many of the big food producers are Halal certified and she seemed concerned about it although I wasn’t able to determine exactly why.
In Australia the same Muslim advocacy groups that are pushing producers to Halal certify are the same ones pushing Sharia. I would wager big (perhaps it is obvious) that these groups are tied to the Muslim Brotherhood. Although I can’t see the costs associated with being Halal certified a big deal to these global food suppliers, in this day and age, I have to believe there is something nefarious about this.
Perhaps the Rebel can look into this for us…
commented 2015-09-11 10:31:53 -0400
I won’t be buying halal anytime soon! I see more places offering halal like Subway, PizzaPizza etc. I boycott them.
commented 2015-09-11 10:29:23 -0400
BZ – there are apps you can get to scan barcodes to determine what foods are halal certified. You can use them to boycott halal if you want. Just go to your app store and type in “halal”.
commented 2015-09-11 10:26:18 -0400
There continue to be significant terrorist threats to ordinary Canadians, no doubt about it. We must not give into presure from lobby groups like NoOneIsIllegal to abandon security checks of refugee applicants and to give asylum to any old war criminal who lies his/her way into Canada.

To celebrate today’s anniversary, in addition to the no-coincident Khadr hearing, this story to delight all the anti-feminists who constantly cry women in Canada are at no risk and need to be silenced: http://www.torontosun.com/2015/09/10/u-of-t-investigating-threats-against-feminists
commented 2015-09-11 10:19:56 -0400
@ Peter Netterville – for about the third or fourth time. Grocers charge halal fees to the general public – you and me – those monies go back to the Islamic groups and that money is in turn sent to Gaza to support Hamas / to Lebanon to support Hezbollah and to Syrian and Iraqi terror groups. And to support groups in Canada that preach hatred against Canada and the US of A. You have no choice – if you want it you will pay.

All of that money goes to support terror in some way.

This has become a huge issue in certain parts of the world and Australia is one of them.

I will not go on ay further except to say that halal fees are not what people believe – it has been proven that they are used to support terror and in Australia it has become a very hot potato.

Try using Google and becoming informed. As this is indeed an issue that the average Canadian tends to blow off as not significant. When in fact from the western world literally millions of dollar from your grocery purchases buys weapons for the bad guys. When you deal with certain people it is good to remember that they are NOT like us and in fact do not even like us. But they WILL happily use us to fulfill their goals – and that is NOT to become worthy citizens of this country.

It is not a matter of free commerce – it is a matter of where that money goes.

Check out how it is pissing off the Aussies – who know a hell of a lot ore about it than nearly everyone on this board. Buy something in the grocery store – check the labels – and there are many very tiny (and getting smaller) stamps that indicate whether or not you are supporting halal fees – which are a truly evil way to help kill even more people – especially everyone NON Islamic – in the middle east.

If you think that is OK – then go for it.

As for dragging in the Jews – not many of them are causing us a lot of trouble – and right here on this site is the article on how even they are helping Syrians.

To the best of my knowledge at this time there are no “specific” Kosher fees that are paid by grocers to Jews. And even if they were I would be willing to bet not many Jews are building IEDs to kill civilians in the middle east. Otherwise people in the western world that are starting to complain about the halal fees and how deeply evil they are – would also be doing the same complaining about the Jews.
commented 2015-09-11 10:04:38 -0400
Bill: the Prime Minister’s concern for security IS absolutely justified. So is Harper, and Mulcair, and Trudeau’s sincere concern to offer refuge to those who need it. In this election cycle, each party is seizing one side of the issue and emphasizing the importance of their specific spin. In the real world, as I’m sure you know, none of the three parties is suggesting either that the gates should be flung wide open with no checking, or that the gates should be locked completely.
It’s too bad for our country, and for the refugees, that this debate has to happen now. Big policy decisions made in the heat of a highly partisan campaign aren’t good for any of us.
commented 2015-09-11 09:41:39 -0400
“Syrian refugees: Are Harper’s security concerns legitimate?”

ABSOLUTELY! Harper is the PM of Canada, not Syria and our security and wellbeing are his first concern. We should be very particular with who we give refugee status as Isl has been sending sleeper cells into Europe in the latest migrant flood.
We should prioritize families first, non radical Muslim, Jewish and Christian families who are sure to face ISL oppression. Families need a chance at resettling – but only what we can support without negatively impacting the economy. I think this is both prudent and humanitarian.

Listening to Mad Tom the other day was like hearing the raving of a fool. He was not even going to require identification documentation. What an asshat.