June 08, 2015

The falsely accused are the real victims

Lauren SouthernRebel Commentator
 

Rape is a horrible crime which should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. However, we need to address the growing problem of false rape accusations, as well as phony accusations of racism, sexism and homophobia that destroy the lives of their targets.

While the Rolling Stone "campus rape" incident and Columbia University's "Mattress Girl" have received plenty of media attention, I look back at some cases you may not have heard about. The falsely accused men were often imprisoned trumped up charges. Some committed suicide.

All their lives were ruined in order to maintain a "progressive" narrative of female victimhood and male violence.

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commented 2015-11-07 13:17:24 -0500
Erin – you are a lawyer but I poor pity your clients because apparently you have never read the CC – I know you aren’t a criminal lawyer, but still, you should be at least familiar with the fact of just how common conspiracies are. That is why we have section 465, not because the fact of conspiracies was all in the heads of the lawmakers that wrote it. Such an ugly Soviet tactic, to try to sully your opponents with slurs of mental illness. It is more typical of terorist governments than of those they oppress like Raif Badawi who recently was awarded the Sakharov human rights award. As you know, the Soviets called Sakharov mentally ill too to try to discredit his opposing political views.
But hey, it’s a free world. You are free to model fascists and communists. But if you had any spine, you’d own it.
commented 2015-11-07 13:09:30 -0500
I have every right to post views that disagree with Lauren’s. It is now November 2015 and we have a majority Liberal government precisely because Canadians got sick of haters like Erin Berney, Lisa Rosie, Chad and the rest of you claiming Conservativism is all about attacking and trying to silence with hatred, ridicule and personal insults any and all who dare to disagree with you. Now eat it!! It’s your fault. Take responsibility. Way to go!!
commented 2015-06-14 00:15:17 -0400
Liza, couldn’t have said it better myself, and thanks :) I will try my best not to cater to Joan’s narcissistic delusions.
commented 2015-06-12 22:33:50 -0400
I agree with you Erin. No one hates Joan, they just hate her mean spirit. It also really puts the kibosh on Lauren’s commentary, because it always becomes about Joan. There are some who have a really strong negative reaction to a young vibrant female going against the grain. I applaud Lauren, I really do. She makes me proud to be female. Conversely, slut walk makes me embarrassed. I’m sticking up for the broad who likes men, every time. It is no small thing to encourage a healthy climate between men and women. Our society depends on it, now more than ever.
commented 2015-06-12 01:47:00 -0400
Joan, instead of recommending it to others who clearly have no need of it, maybe you should consider taking chlorpromazine yourself. No one hates you. No one is out to get you. Again, that is all in your head. We — and I speak mostly for myself, but am positive that some others here would agree — just think many of your views are mistaken, some (but not all) of your remarks are ignorant, and your rhetorical tactics are reactionary and, to say the least, highly inflammatory.
All I suggested was that you tone down your personal attacks on other commenters. How, in your mind, does that translate to me or anyone else trying to silence you or give you orders? How does that make me your enemy? Almost without fail, you misinterpret every word uttered by other commenters on TheRebel, whether addressed to you or not. Regardless of how poignant, thoughtful and articulate the comment, and despite who writes it, you still somehow perceive it as a direct, personal attack. Why? I’m honestly thunderstruck.
For your information, I never claimed to be an expert in the area of BDSM, or anything else for that matter. However, for the record, I am a lawyer, and am quite familiar with the case law in Canada, the U.K. and the U.S. re: sexual assault and so-called “consent to harm”. And as far as the few points you wrote that were not wholly concerned with tearing someone a new one, I’d like to respond.
First, you posted some links to news articles. One was a Globe & Mail article that you said provided a good discussion on the topic of consent to harm in Canada. I read it, and while I tried to see your point about consenting to “serious harm”, the article simply does not support it. It only states that outside of sexual assault, there are some areas where an individual can consent to some harm. Unfortunately the article isn’t very clear, but from a legal perspective, I can tell you that it probably refers to recognized, codified, refereed contact sports, for example, boxing or MMA fighting. There is no such thing as consent to harm in sexual assault.
The second link was to a CBC News report about female toplessness in Canada. I assume you linked to it as evidence that female toplessness is legal all over Canada. Unfortunately, this is not the case, and had you yourself read the article, you would know that it refers to the Ontario Court of Appeal decision that I already cited, and which I pointed out was NOT binding on other provinces. All this report shows is how sloppy the CBC has become in its reporting, by including such misleading statements as the following:
“Women in Canada won the right to bare their breasts in public in 1996 when the Ontario Court of Appeal overturned the 1991 conviction of Gwen Jacobs, saying “there was nothing degrading or dehumanizing” about her decision to take off her shirt in public." The key word is ONTARIO. Ontario, while it may surprise you, is NOT the centre of the universe, nor do its courts decide the law for the rest of the country.
Finally, you seem to have missed my comment to the new Ontario sex-ed curriculum (posted on TheRebel to the story, Your Gender is all About How You Feel). I see both good and bad in the new curriculum, and on that I think we agree. So for your reference, I paste it again here:
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Let’s not confuse Wynne’s other problems and political scandals with this one. I’m all for holding her accountable for a variety of other things, but I don’t think bringing the sex ed curriculum a little more up to date deserves some of these responses. Isn’t educating our children about online sexual exploitation of children and sexting a good idea these days? Most kids are texting before they’re potty trained so this would seem to be an area worth instructing at a young age, just as important as what they’ve already been teaching for years about knowing the difference between good touches and bad touches, and why taking candy from a strange man who stops you on the street driving a non-descript van is the absolute worst. Today, the pedophile in the van is more often stalking and grooming your kids online, disguised as one of their peers.
Telling the truth to kids about gender identity issues is equally necessary to their individual, social, sexual and gender development. At the very least, it would likely benefit the small percentage of kids that go through these identity struggles. Whatever your religious/non-religious views are on sexuality, gender roles and identity, the historic diversity of the human race is an undeniable constant. By contrast, public perception and social/political/economic treatment of anything physically, sexually or socially “different” is like fashion, constantly shifting and changing.
Some may disagree, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with telling kids that it’s ok to feel and be different, and that they can feel secure enough to talk to people and express their feelings of difference. It’s certainly acceptable to teach kids that individuality and uniqueness are something to be celebrated.
However, I do have a problem with presenting such important messages in a manner that over-represents how many people in the general population actually identify as being primarily homosexual, lesbian, transexual, transgender, or gender dysmorphic, as opposed to being primarily heterosexual or even bisexual. The new Ontario curriculum presents people who have full-on gender dysmorphia as being superficially trendy and cool, reducing expressions of gender identity to a mere fashion statement. What effect this might have on the field of plastic surgery, I can only speculate, but the other day I actually came across an online news story about a woman who had surgery to give herself a third breast. It’s every Total Recall fan’s wet dream. She says she did it to reduce her physical appeal to men because she was tired of attracting unwanted sexual attention.
Teaching sexual identity issues in this way diminishes the struggles and experiences of the few individuals who know from birth that they were born in the wrong body who probably deserve to have taxpayer-funded sex-reassignment surgery.
Public school sex education should, if nothing less, attempt to present basic facts with as little opinion or judgment as possible. Grades 3-6 are for learning about the parts of your body, male and female physical differences, protecting yourself from sexual abuse and exploitation (online and in person), puberty, pregnancy and some simple biology (like why are my eyes blue?), eventually introducing contraception and STI prevention. Junior high and high school are more appropriate for explaining more complex gender identity issues, societal discrimination, etc., perhaps including some world history of human sexuality, culture, law and politics, to help kids understand our constantly shifting views.
To prepare kids for the real world, we need to teach them that change is constant and individual differences are neither good or bad but inherently judgment-neutral, and that in any case, they will each undergo several million changes throughout their lives, as no one is truly the same person from any one second to the next. From an anthropological perspective, deviations from the statistical mean can often be informative when examining small discrete eras in human history such as individual lifetimes, but over longer time periods are statitistically de minimis. Since we can’t fathom that kind of timescale, our perception is limited to primarily life experience of personal and societal perceptions and views on different expressions of human sexuality.
Our perceptions change, and our laws change accordingly, so while we may now enjoy the basic freedom to form and express our own opinions, whether on human sexuality or any other issue, we need to be able to critically analyze our opinions and constantly question and test our most fundamental personal beliefs, and always be prepared to rationally explain and and occasionally justify them. Those who can do so effectively and respectfully tend to earn respect from others, whether they agree or not.
The new Ontario sexual education curriculum is simply yet another sign of the devolution of public education, such that it increasingly resembles nothing more than a failed experiment in social engineering stubbornly motivated by an irrational, pandemic obsession with political correctness. This kind of insanity needs to stop.
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Joan, I’m sure you’re more intelligent than you seem, but it really doesn’t come across. For example, if you’re quoting someone else’s view, say so, and name the source. You should probably also work on your use of sarcasm as an argumentative strategy, because it’s not very effective if it’s indistinguishable from your “serious” language. Just curious, where did you earn your degree in linguistics?
commented 2015-06-11 05:26:15 -0400
Liza – chlorpromazine.
commented 2015-06-10 22:34:37 -0400
What about the topic – the wrongly accused – don’t the psychotic haters on this thread get??
commented 2015-06-10 22:33:40 -0400
Chad, if I see you bleeding out in a ditch and can save your life by dialling 911, I’ll be sure to just turn away, shall I?
commented 2015-06-10 22:28:22 -0400
Glenn, I think Joan just told us that she has been this way before, and made people so severely angry with her, that she had to run away before someone she aggravated would act on any threats they may have made. I think to outright ignore her would be an excellent option, and am likely to do the same.
commented 2015-06-10 22:28:19 -0400
Chad. Tou said you want me to “disappear”. Is that a death threat?
commented 2015-06-10 22:26:56 -0400
Chad, I hold advanced degrees in linguistics. Give up baiting me.
commented 2015-06-10 22:22:57 -0400
Glenn Craig – Thx for the information.

I was going to say more – but …

I also had a run-in with Shiela; the left in Hamilton cleansed me, literally, from the city – set my home on fire three times, threw poisoned meat in my yard to kill my dog, repeatedly broke into my home, burned cigarette holes in my furniture and left cherry pips all over my floor, repeatedly hired assaults and death threats; a bylaw officer came to my home and, in front of two witnesses, screamed “we are going to drive you from your home, take all tour assets, put you in the street and then kill you” – “We” – I came to recognize that as the hallmark of the hired death threats of which I’ve received over thirty since I resisted complying with the leftist-terrorist coalition corruption. Another time, a stranger outside a variety store one evening said he had a sawed off-shot gun in the bag he was carrying and I’d better watch out; another stranger waited until I left my home, crossed the street, spat on my mouth and called me “a filthy Jew” – all because like you, I too challenged the politically correct. Not about feminism but about systemic corruption (same thing, basically). Andrea Horwath was, then, a Hamilton City councillor and she also played an active role. On one occasion, they tortured a cat outside my home and another time, there was actual gun play that ended on my front porch with my front door window shattered. HPS Inspector Bob Buck and Chief Robertson told me to leave town. My realtor, Cindy Savelli, said she wasn’t sure I’d get out slive. They told me I had to accept what I was given for my home or things would get worse. They parked police cars across the street to make sure no other buyers viewed my home. I was forced to sell my home for just what was left of the mortgage – $55,000 – and I had walk away with just the few things I could carry. And things got worse sfter that.

… but then I saw you hurl names at me again – “swine”, “ignorant”, and self-centred. I guess your experience has fatally blinded your sight. I do not deserve your hatred or your insults.

I have long supported and been a card-carrying member of the CPC and the OCPC. Too bad you don’t want to accept our differences as healthy Conservative diversity and celebrate our shared views, rare though they might be. Like I said before, I considered you my friend. I am saddened you hate me so. Good luck, Glenn Craig.

P.S. I understand your pain … but I still think comparing it to the holocaust is a little rich. Also, I would ask you what Cotler bill you were talking about, as I thought the one Ezra condemned was his bill to amend the the law on hate speech, not specifically anti-feminism speech, but I acknowledge you hate me too much to engage in further conversation.

P.P.S. It is manifestly obvious that feminism is not a gender but a political ideology. It challenges me to believe anyone would not recognize that. I suspect your enemies disliked you because you were far smarter than they were and that made them feel your views a threat. Sad, that.

P.P.P.S. Lauren Southern is an extreme outlier. She is ambitious. She wants a job in parliament. She is running for the Libertarian Party because the CPC wouldn’t even consider her. She does not care who she puts in the ground to further her ambition. She does not care if she wins, causes the CPC to lose by splitting the right, and thus ushers in a majority NDP government, so long as Lauren sits in the House. She will say whatever she thinks will get her followers, money and votes. Typical politician. Nothing special, I’m afraid. Cheers.
commented 2015-06-10 22:10:55 -0400
Joan Abernethy commented 4 hours ago
Chad – That is an awfully long post.

I am not going to compare my academic achievements or IQ status with yours.

Nothing you can say will shut me up or drive me away. I am a free person and take orders from no one.

Cheers.


“That is an awfully long post.”
So to say you have no intention of understanding how wrong you are when presented with hard evidence proves you to be wrong.

“I am not going to compare my academic achievements or IQ status with yours.”
And yet you fail to understand basic communication skills, never mind use them, never mind effectively. Even if you didn’t want to compare academia, you are using this as a cop-out, rather than reflecting on your own skills, and coming up with an effective means to counter the argument.

“Nothing you can say will shut me up or drive me away” – and we get the rest…
Then try to come up with a valid argument to the subject, and properly fact-check your personal beliefs before posting them, and then maybe when we do dispute you, it won’t seem like we are trying to get you to disappear, which I will admit, would be nice at this point, but I’d be more than happy to see you make proper arguments instead, and comprehend properly what is posted to you.
commented 2015-06-10 19:29:34 -0400
Joan, Ken Weibe of BCFathers.ca (now taken down) was embroiled in a court case against Status of Women Canada ….I have transcripts of the trial….WE were represented by Doug Christie.

To make a long story short some of Sheila Copps’ pet womyn’s studies professors tabled a policy report in parliament trying to make ANY criticism of feminism a hate crime. Among it’s appendices was a McCarthy list of people who had bad mouthed feminism on the internet…my name was on that list.

That was five years in court to get THAT report taken down from SWC’s website….every year without fail some member of the Liberal Party tries to enter a private member’s bill to achieve the same thing….this year it was Irwin Cottler…as previously mentioned by Ezra.

Joan…for saying the words “feminism is not a gender it is a political ideology” I was threatened with dismissal and called a Nazi to my face…..

Joan….from this point on I will no longer acknowledge or respond to ANYTHING you post address to me…it is a futile and pointless exercise in casting my pearls before swine. Your ignorance is willful.

Before I decided to support the CPC I frequently complained that feminists had positioned themselves in the policy committees of ALL political parties…thereby nullifying ALL democratic option to their agenda. The primary policy advisor to the CPC on women’s issues is Gwendolyn Landolt of

http://www.realwomenofcanada.ca

She always starts her policy statements with the premiss ……

THE VAST MAJORITY OF WOMEN IN CANADA WANT TO HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH MEN

Has there ever been a womyn’s studies research paper submitted to Status of Women Canada that would refute that premise or indicate that it was not so?…..

Then why does the Liberal Party deem it necessary to appoint vetted hand picked policy advisors who have made it clear and plain that they DO NOT?

The most militantly cynical act ever committed in the history of Canadian politics was when Paul Martin…as a parting shot at Harper…appointed Nancy Ruth to the Senate so that the Tory caucus would be cuckoo’s nested.

Joan…..you speak out…but you speak for yourself and for those like minded….you DO NOT speak for women collectively…as evidenced by LAUREN SOUTHERN
commented 2015-06-10 18:11:45 -0400
Chad – That is an awfully long post.

I am not going to compare my academic achievements or IQ status with yours.

Nothing you can say will shut me up or drive me away. I am a free person and take orders from no one.

Cheers.
commented 2015-06-10 18:02:08 -0400
Glenn Craig – I am not being obtuse. Can you please advise me of the details of cases of reprisal suffered by individuals for criticizing feminism? Not for criticizing individual feminists – of course, individuals will seek revenge. But for criticizing feminism? I really am unaware of such a case. Thx.
commented 2015-06-10 14:18:48 -0400
Joan….of course people suffer reprisal for criticizing feminism…don’t be obtuse .
commented 2015-06-10 11:46:28 -0400
Joan Abernethy commented 6 hours ago
Chad – You are the narcissist, not me, as you seem to think I keep some sort of log of everything you say, as if I care what you think, as if I take orders from you.

Like I told you before, misspelling your name was a typo I made because I can’t see well enough not a personsl vendetta against you. I don’t know you. How could I want to “get” you?

If you post ideas I find interesting, I may respond. But if I do, it is to your idea, not to your person.

And again, Chad, you can keep addressing me by name all you want with the goal of telling me to shut up about the rape atrocities suffered by female victims of growing world Islamism all across the globe – as did your close buddy Erin – but I ain’t gonna stop. FULL STOP. Got it?
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Joan Abernethy commented 6 hours ago
The fashion of condemning as men-hating “feminists” or “feminazis” – as Erin and Chad did when I mentioned the growing and global Islamist enslavement and sex torture of women (Erin said I should shut up about it because she thinks it isn’t relevant to the west) tries to make all who stand up for women’s rights, whom they condemn, without qualification, as “feminists”, shut up. Because mentioning the Islamist atrocities that are growing world-wide, including in the west, doesn’t fit the narrative that all feminists are self-centred man-haters who falsely allege rape and don’t care about Muslims tortured by Islamists, that Islamist-supporting narrative wants women like me who believe in the feminist core value of gender equity to shut up.

It promotes gender inequity – i.e., male superiority – when anyone condemns as queer, narcissist, victim, etc. – i.e. as feminist – women who refuse to be silenced about the growing global enslavement of women by men. That growing inequity is a fact, not a fiction.
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Joan – “as if I care what you think” “I don’t know you” “If you post ideas I find interesting, I may respond”
If you don’t care what I think, then why will you respond if you find what I think interesting? When I post evidence, you NEVER respond, but when I reply to other people, or voice personal opinions, you ALWAYS respond. You care a great deal about what I think, so stop lying to yourself. My ideas, and opinions make up my “person”, so yes you are responding to me.

There are two instances where I said “Silence is a valid, and more correct response.”
1) Was when I corrected my mistake of addressing you, in less than a second of having made the mistake. You could even check the time stamp.
2) Was when people started calling you a narcissist. When they started.

These do not mean stop commenting your opinions on rape all together. I was taught these basic communication skills in high school, and my English average was 66%. If you have a higher percentage than myself, and yet fail to understand these basic communication skills, then I won’t know what to think of you.
The only other times I’ve told you that you may want to silence yourself, is when your comments were devoid of fact.

Now you once again bring Islam into the conversation.So…
1) If you want to combat Islam that badly, go and confront Islam where it is, on THEIR websites, on THEIR forums, in THEIR countries, or in places where Islam IS the CENTRAL topic.
2) Again, going into basic communication skills, if you are going to involve a radical ideology to make a point, you should only address it as a point we DO NOT want to reach, and not call it a fact of our current society, unless you have PROOF that it IS the same as our current society.
(StatsCan; Sexual Assault level 1 to 3 plus Children; Total persons charged year 2013: 31.2/100,000)

And then you mention Gender Inequality…
-Men lose 95% of Divorce Court Hearings
-Men end up paying more for social programs that give handouts to more Women, especially with welfare programs and shelters. Feminists want Men to pay even more into these social programs.
-4 Men commit suicide to every 1 Woman
-A less qualified Woman will be hired over a Man, so that companies can fill a quota for hiring women, otherwise they come under attack by Feminists.
-Women make up a higher percentage of voters.

And the list goes on…
commented 2015-06-10 07:43:52 -0400
It is going to take time….perhaps a generation or more….and trinity law school is indeed something that the current feminist commandeered legal system fears….not because of lifestyle restrictions…but because of the setback it could represent in legal policy aimed at the destruction of family.

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11217547_980864878610671_1414901939875138923_n.jpg?oh=f47a550c98f40b6757bd9135a6fced13&oe=55FEB104

I see a future where …just like the scathing inquiry into the residential schools…a scathing inquiry into our contemporary family laws will take place……karma means you never get away with anything.

Oscar Schindler was the only full fledged member of the Nazi party to get the honour of planting an olive tree on the Avenue of the Righteous Among Nations in Tel Aviv. At the ceremony he said words to this effect…

“Some have called me an opportunist…I don’t deny it…I see nothing wrong with it. I am an Epicurean…I have always savoured the good things life has to offer…wine…women…song…wealth….yes and power. I have known many people who acquired power but never knew how to enjoy it. By far the the best way to enjoy power is to savour the sincerely expressed and heartfelt gratitude of those you have had power over.”

The Nazis had absolute power and never imagined a tomorrow in which they would no longer have it.

When I worked for the government I frequently worked on class actions which meticulously examined the records of the grievance.

I would give this advice to the officers of the family court system…..you should be more careful of how you treat people you have power over….for wether or not you will have power over them tomorrow remains to be seen….and if you do not have power over them tomorrow….. would they express sincere and heartfelt gratitude for the power you exercised over them? Or would they take delight in the retribution.

Unfortunately for the taxpayer these abusers of authority will probably not be held personally liable ..

But I see a future where contemporary academic and legal manifestations of feminism will be as scorned and despised as Naziism.
commented 2015-06-10 05:20:03 -0400
The fashion of condemning as men-hating “feminists” or “feminazis” – as Erin and Chad did when I mentioned the growing and global Islamist enslavement and sex torture of women (Erin said I should shut up about it because she thinks it isn’t relevant to the west) tries to make all who stand up for women’s rights, whom they condemn, without qualification, as “feminists”, shut up. Because mentioning the Islamist atrocities that are growing world-wide, including in the west, doesn’t fit the narrative that all feminists are self-centred man-haters who falsely allege rape and don’t care about Muslims tortured by Islamists, that Islamist-supporting narrative wants women like me who believe in the feminist core value of gender equity to shut up.

It promotes gender inequity – i.e., male superiority – when anyone condemns as queer, narcissist, victim, etc. – i.e. as feminist – women who refuse to be silenced about the growing global enslavement of women by men. That growing inequity is a fact, not a fiction.
commented 2015-06-10 04:58:13 -0400
Chad – You are the narcissist, not me, as you seem to think I keep some sort of log of everything you say, as if I care what you think, as if I take orders from you.

Like I told you before, misspelling your name was a typo I made because I can’t see well enough not a personsl vendetta against you. I don’t know you. How could I want to “get” you?

If you post ideas I find interesting, I may respond. But if I do, it is to your idea, not to your person.

And again, Chad, you can keep addressing me by name all you want with the goal of telling me to shut up about the rape atrocities suffered by female victims of growing world Islamism all across the globe – as did your close buddy Erin – but I ain’t gonna stop. FULL STOP. Got it?
commented 2015-06-10 00:18:01 -0400
Joan – I said that within certain situations, or context, AND NOT “at all times is it”.
commented 2015-06-10 00:16:43 -0400
Joan – I suggest you learn to read… if you thought I said that simply addressing me by name proved your narcissism, then you must not be able to read and comprehend the words that are available for you to look at.

The “last post where you addressed me directly” was a reference indicator.
commented 2015-06-10 00:14:22 -0400
Chad – if “silence is a more valid and correct response”, why aren’t you silent?
commented 2015-06-10 00:13:03 -0400
Chad – Does your addressing me directly prove your narcissism?

Thanks for letting me know you have such a hard heart you can’t find it in it to be fair.
commented 2015-06-10 00:09:13 -0400
I oppose Southern’s “rape is bad but rape victims are not the real victims …” That is like saying “free speech is great but …” It’s disingenuous speak for misogyny.

There is no need to mention rape victims as a group when discussing the falsely accused. I am a falsely accused. The two – falsely accused and rape victim – are not mutually exclusive. Some who falsely accuse are male – like the 14 year old boy who initiated a blow job for money then falsely accused the 19 year old he propositioned. The issue is not rape victims versus the falsely accused. The only reason Southern mentioned the two as if they are opposites was to play to misogyny.

Don’t taze me, rebels. It’s just an opinion!!!!

I also oppose Southern’s campaign for MP the Libertarian Party. She wants to split the right and doesn’t care if, in doing so, it ushers in a majority NDP government. I think Conservatives should unite instead of driving out everyone whose view is not lock-step with an anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-Harper, anti-sex-ed, anti-social conscience view of right-wing Conservative ideology.

Again, put down the gun, rebels. It’s just an opinion.

I oppose Southern’s feminist-bashing. The core value of feminism is and has always been gender equity. The same core value as CAFE claims. So why CAFE bashes feminism and blames feminism for all men’s woes is a bit of a puzzler. And it makes me suspicious. I do not deny men’s woes. But I think they are the fault of law makers and adminstrators not of women. Women are not the enemy.

Let it go, rebels. It’s just an opinion, not an A-bomb. Deep breath in, deep breath out.

Cheers, all!!
commented 2015-06-10 00:02:52 -0400
Remembering when I once said that given certain situations, silence is a valid, and more correct response…
commented 2015-06-10 00:01:18 -0400
Joan – Your last comment addressing me directly, shows your narcissism… sorry, I can’t take your side to disprove something when you continue to prove it…