July 30, 2015

The topless Mohamed sisters: Why can't we find a "happy medium" between Muslim honour killings and "Slut Walk" feminism?

Rebel Staff
 

On a hot day this week, three young sisters in Kitchener went for a bike ride -- topless.

A police officer told them to put their shirts back on but female toplessness has been legal in Ontario since 1991.

One of the Mohammed sisters is an aspiring musician, so maybe this was a publicity stunt. Otherwise, taking your shirt off isn't much of a bold feminist statement, at least in North America.

Why not campaign for women's rights in Muslim countries or against honor killings in Canada?

Instead, Western feminists embrace "Slut Walks," with its contradictory messages.

Are these extremes really our only options?

 

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commented 2015-08-05 17:23:47 -0400
The female sex slaves of Muslims are usually kept naked from the waist up. This is the Mohammed sister’s idea of equality? Bizarre. Women are equal to men, but they are just not the same as men.
commented 2015-08-03 22:19:21 -0400
Edward Moore, we haven’t won the battle in Canada because we haven’t won it in the world. Yes, our laws are pretty good but as this story illustrates, our laws are not enforced. Our police enforce the politically correct, not gender equity law.

Feminist activism for gender equity in Canada continues to be needed because more and more girls are aborted before they are born because their families know girls and women in Canada are not as valuable as men and boys despite our equity laws. Men can aspire to no end of education but a growing number of girls in Canada are denied education to be married off for the price of a dowry. Human trafficking of Canadian-born girls is on the rise. They are sex slaves who can aspire to nothing their owner does not allow.

Those are just a few examples.

Its like the freedom we pledge each November 11th to hold high the torch to protect. Gender equity is not a freedom we can likely ever assume or hang up our hats and abandon defending. Your granddaughters have a duty to pass on the freedom they enjoy to others by continuing to be vigilant and clear about what is required for the freedoms they enjoy.
commented 2015-08-03 22:03:00 -0400
Anon, in so far as idealism allows deviation as the natural tendency of mortal being, it is free. We can refer to ideals as guides without adhering to them. Ideals have no power to compel. It is human agency that uses ideals as a rationale to compel that interferes with freedom.
commented 2015-08-03 21:55:45 -0400
Marty Smith – Insightful.
commented 2015-08-03 14:15:25 -0400
The Rebel did its own work in creating this kind of confusion as well. Recently Marissa Semkiw used Ezra’s exact sentiment here in order to highlight the Calgary Stampeded threesome in public, calling it a perfect example of hollow Slutwalk activism.

http://www.therebel.media/calgary_stampede_threesome_video_the_perfect_example_of_hollow_slutwalk_feminism

Meanwhile all it was and ever will be, was a perfect example of immature and reckless youth. Young people were engaging in explicit public sexuality WAY before feminism and will continue to do so long after. It is in reality irrelevant to the movement other than being a talking point of that movement or its opponents from time to time. Marissa came off as a slut-shamer more than a moderate IMO with her column and unfortunately cast more doubt and confusion rather than answering some hard questions about how rampant activism from all angles is damaging society as a whole. Too much ‘do this don’t do that’, and too little understanding why things are done in the first place. That needs to stop. We are getting dumber and more arrogant as generation after generation are raised in this idiotic environment further perpetuated by our broken education system.

Neither this column or Marissa’s earlier one highlights how female public nudity, especially near busy streets can be rightly considered reckless endangerment either to the perpetrators themselves, as it will be a matter of time before some ultra conservative closeted leftie literally ‘knocks some sense’ (context) in to them physically on the streets, or too many rubbernecking idiots crash their cars into pedestrians or other cars over the impromptu spectacle of boobie, which our society is still apparently too immature for; In fact MORE immature than when breasts were first freed in the 1990’s due to what I outlined in my previous paragraph. Some more columns like this one which begin to make some sense out of it are needed. Third Wave Feminism is doing some serous social damage and I feel it is time to stop the pokey-chest nonsense and get to the bottom of the main issue of rape culture within criminal groups and radical religious groups, Islamic or Mormon, and have a meaningful debate in order to find a solution; therefore, REAL progessiveness.
commented 2015-08-03 11:14:45 -0400
@karin:
“I never said I feel distaste for these women.”
No problem. Please substitute a phrase you feel more accurately characterizes the attitude expressed by your statement: " I don’t find anything in this uplifting or powerful or brave. It’s a fame grab."
“Fighting for the right to go around topless when probablyy 95% of women wouldn’t do it anyway, helps nothing.”
On the other hand, fighting for your right to say “no” to a cop who tries with no legal authority to make you obey him because you offend him does matter, and should matter, to all conservatives and libertarians.
commented 2015-08-03 11:01:42 -0400
Terry, please don’t put words in my mouth. I never said I feel distaste for these women. I only wish women would fight a battle worth something. Fighting for the right to go around topless when probablyy 95% of women wouldn’t do it anyway, helps nothing.
commented 2015-08-03 09:31:43 -0400
“Even if I was a younger woman, I still wouldn’t want to go around town topless. I don’t find anything in this uplifting or powerful or brave.”

Awesome. Then don’t do it. And I assure you that I’ll support YOUR right to make the decision NOT to go around topless. And as a bonus, I’ll also support your right to feel distaste about women who do, because you can feel whatever you want.

I am personally not a fan of big tattoos, which, unlike toplessness, are specifically prohibited in Leviticus. However, I don’t have the right to tell tattooed people to cover up.
commented 2015-08-02 22:39:12 -0400
Why can’t a woman just take off her top, because it’s fucking hot. Just like men do all the time. WHY IS THERE A DIFFERENCE?
commented 2015-08-02 22:21:11 -0400
الإسلام هو لعنة الأرض!
islam is the curse of the Earth!
Just saying…
commented 2015-08-02 16:07:36 -0400
Big difference between feeding a baby and riding around on a bike, saying “look at me!” Even if I was a younger woman, I still wouldn’t want to go around town topless. I don’t find anything in this uplifting or powerful or brave. It’s a fame grab and maybe these women should put their energy and ‘bravery’ into something meaningful to help women.
commented 2015-08-02 13:05:59 -0400
I would suggest that these women are putting their lives on the line….even in Canada considering the reputation of some Muslims who oppose freedom for women. Although I should caution myself right here that it is not all Muslims who are radical, and that it is only a very small number of Muslims who take the Koran literally. Just a couple of them that’s it. I know. But otherwise these women have clearly violated Sharia law and they are now probably barred from traveling to Muslim countries and probably have arrest warrants out for them in these Muslim countries as well. Women in Canada have died because they’ve violated Sharia law so these women are actually very brave considering that Canada will someday will have Sharia law as a parallel judicial system for Muslims all in the name of religious equality and in keeping with Canadian multiculturalism which has defined us world wide as a leader in human rights and democracy Pierre Trudeau style where we will accommodate you and your culture or else you can take us to the human rights commission and sue us.
commented 2015-08-02 12:43:31 -0400
Interesting set of conflicting images and ideas. What is the greater freedom? The freedom to practice your ancestral culture or the freedom to assimilate? Are you enjoying freedom when you wear a niquab or parading topless in public? We have all come from cultures based on authoritative ideologies. About three hundred years ago, some Western thinkers realized the problem wasn’t what we thought as much as how we thought.
Idealism is our natural, impulsive form of reasoning, but people like Francis Bacon, Issac Newton and Adam Smith, had the intellectual discipline and foresight to develop and use their empirical faculties. The progress they made in science, economics and politics has allowed a tiny country off the coast of Europe to influence most of the progress humanity has made since. My ancestors were Hungarian Jews living in rural villages a few generations ago. I now live in Canada, speak English, enjoy the abundant goods and services of a post industrial economy and vote for my political head of state.
All of us have had to struggle with these issues to some extent. To complicate matters, there are new, secular ideologies, such as feminism, socialism, capitalism and romantic primitivism. Human nature has not changed. Idealism is still our instinctive, impulsive form of reasoning. It is not just these assimilated Muslim women who are being pulled in numerous directions by numerous ideologies.
We do, however, have the benefit of access to the thoughts of Francis Bacon, John Locke and Fernando Galliani. The key is to develop a degree of philosophical perceptiveness to be able to analyze the epistemology of your beliefs and values. Replacing a religious ideology with a political ideology isn’t a solution. To enjoy freedom of thought, you need to develop, and use your empirical faculties. This will allow you to overcome our psychological vulnerability to idealism. A form of reasoning that is subservient to a set of authoritative ideals. Achieving freedom of thought requires forms of reasoning that allow individuals to form their own values and beliefs. Empiricism is an autonomous form of reasoning. Ideologies claiming to promote freedom must first deal with the issue idealism is not a free form of thinking.
commented 2015-08-02 11:56:27 -0400
Edward,

So even though it’s legal and women deserve equal rights – they shouldn’t take off their tops because the sight of tits will give men a boner? Why is that a woman’s problem?

One could make the argument that women love men that have 6 pack abs – so if some women are turned on by the sight of a hot guy with a killer body, maybe men shouldn’t take their tops off either – we don’t want orgasms in the street.
commented 2015-08-02 10:18:42 -0400
@edward:
“Terry, no one is trying to impose their ideas on anyone. "
For the third time: It’s disingenuous to claim that an armed man, in uniform, who approaches a young woman and instructs her to put on a top because she’s breaking the law, is simply making “a request”.
“That’s why they buy Penthouse.”
Hoo BOY, Edward, are you dating yourself. :)
“This is not the Amazon”.
True. And within the living memory of some, women were arrested in North American because it was considered indecent of them to wear pants. Times DO change.
commented 2015-08-02 08:29:30 -0400
Come on guys….you know damn well this is not the Amazon with thousands of years of tradition where nudity is not a turn on for the guys. Who the hell do you think you’re kidding? Don’t you have any testosterone? This is North America and MOST guys over the age of puberty LOVE tits. That’s why they buy Penthouse. And every woman knows that, and those who want to bear their breasts in public are either foolish, naive, or have an agenda. Terry, no one is trying to impose their ideas on anyone. Women have the right in law to go topless, but that doesn’t make it right or bright. Proof of the pudding is in how few girls are exercising that right. Liza, I agree. This has become a silly topic. I’m out.
commented 2015-08-02 07:39:38 -0400
@liza: “who cares. WHO CARES>.” About three pages worth of commenters, plus the staff of TheRebel who initially posted the story.
commented 2015-08-02 07:38:03 -0400
“do you have daughters or grand-daughters? Are you encouraging them to remove their tops when the mood strikes?”
I do. And I would encourage them to to have the intelligence to reflect on the implication and consequences of their choices, the courage to then make up their own minds about what THEY think is right, and the strength to speak out when someone tries to impose HIS idea of what they should do.
commented 2015-08-02 02:06:18 -0400
I understand that there was a mass protest in defence of these women and their right to bear…never mind.

This isn’t so much about rights as much as it’s about getting 15 mins of fame. And, being stupid. Well, they have the right to be stupid – no problem there. Unless all this leads to some kind of a reality series for these ladies (Keeping Up With The Mohamed Sisters. Anyone? Anyone?) they will disappear and never be heard from again.

As for today’s protest, I understand it was well-attended. The gawker contingent must have been huge.
commented 2015-08-02 01:08:39 -0400
What does riding topless have to do with breastfeeding? Which is usually and easily done quite discretely, in North America at least.
Such a silly topic , who cares. WHO CARES.
commented 2015-08-01 22:46:04 -0400
I really don’t understand what the big deal is. They are just breasts. It’s neither slutty or a lack of self respect when a woman takes off her top, because it’s unbearably hot outside. It’s reveals more about the people that are somehow offended by it…in 2015 no less.

Just like the assholes who are outraged when a woman breastfeeds in public. Shut the fuck up and mind your own business – a mother is feeding her child.
commented 2015-08-01 20:41:07 -0400
Jill Ward….do you have daughters or grand-daughters? Are you encouraging them to remove their tops when the mood strikes? You should encourage them to exercise their new found right frequently, before this latest victory of feminism is lost to the hordes of prudes out there. Encourage them to start young before they develop some false sense of self respect.
commented 2015-08-01 20:14:33 -0400
is this just another incompetent cop exposed?
commented 2015-08-01 20:09:13 -0400
does this mean that she will win the juno?
commented 2015-08-01 18:28:28 -0400
While I wouldn’t be caught dead without my top on (not young anymore) I none the less say “good for you , girls”!!
The only concern I have is the fact they were out in the evening in a park in which attacks on women have occurred.
Next time girls, try and stay in a safe area.
commented 2015-08-01 14:01:10 -0400
I give you that Jimmy. Personally I think women give away their most powerful weapon by revealing too much…their mystique. That’s worth sweating over. That’s just my thought. Also, I’m a senior and I’ll sweat it out before I take my shirt off.
commented 2015-08-01 13:43:20 -0400
They are just boobs. Let’s not forget that. And women get hot too during the summer – not just men.
commented 2015-08-01 13:29:45 -0400
Joan….with all due respect, I’m addressing you because you self identify as a feminist. I’m just jumping into this thread after looking over the previous comments and maybe I’ve missed something. I’m a grandfather of two pre-teen girls and I have always taken pride in the inclusiveness previous generations of women have won for them in this Country. I thought your battle was won and I’ve rested easy with that. For the love of me I can’t think of anything that men can aspire to that females can’t in this society. Note that as far as the toplessness of the three sisters goes I regard that as a self respect issue not a legal one. I am interested in what you have to say if you choose to respond.
commented 2015-08-01 13:14:44 -0400
Joan,

I have nothing against that. Unfortunately there are still people in 2015 that still think the world was better when women couldn’t vote, black people were slaves and gay people were killed.
commented 2015-08-01 12:11:11 -0400
Willie Gerula – you called me a terrorist. For what? Advocating for gender equity.

Gender equity is not an anti-men hate movement. It is a human rights cause.

Feminism advocates equal rights for men and women. What have you got against that?