May 31, 2016

Threat of third party looms large in Alberta politics: Which way will “Unite the Right” go?

Holly NicholasRebel Commentator

Uniting the right has become a topic of controversy in Alberta ever since the Progressive Conservatives lost the election and the conservative vote was split.

Combined, the PC and Wildrose Party took over 50% of the vote and would have easily won the election under a united conservative party. There are many facets to the unite the right campaign. Some don’t want to unite at all, while one side wants to unite under the PC’s, another under the Wildrose and others want to form an entirely different party. A third party poses a significant risk to the outcome of the next provincial election. It will split the vote even further and it’s a bad idea even though it seems like a new third party might be an option with all of the predicaments both conservative parties in Alberta have gotten themselves into.

The problem with the PC’s is they’ve given up far too much ground to the left. Alison Redford became leader of the party by capturing the teacher’s union votes. That was the first sign that something was amiss – compare that to the ultra leftist union-friendly NDP and it’s difficult to see the differences between PC’s and the NDP. Then there was the overspending, abuse of power, abuse of government resources – the list goes on. Add MLA’s like Sandra Jansen and Prab Gill who openly support federal Liberals in elections and it seems the PC party has a Liberal/Conservative divide within it’s own ranks.

There is a home for progressives that call themselves conservatives in the Alberta Party and with Alberta Liberals. These opportunists were able to win elections on the back of the PC brand, but it’s no longer an option since PC’s were decimated in the last election.

Then there’s the Wildrose Party, who have suffered some major PR disasters. First, there was the so-called “Lake of Fire” incident where a pastor condemned gays to a place of eternal suffering and called the Edmonton school system “Godless.” The Wildrose were leading in polls at the time but that incident cost them the election. Then there was the floor crossing where nine MLA’s, including leader Danielle Smith, double crossed the party and moved to the PC’s. This strategy lost the Wildrose yet another election and played directly into Jim Prentice’s hands, effectively wiping out the official opposition. Fast forward to today and there’s another PR disaster on the party’s hands.

The threat of a third party forming is looming and it’s a result of what the PC and Wildrose parties are reflecting to the people of Alberta. When division within conservative ranks is apparent, it’s fodder for the left. In fact, it’s exactly what they want to see and only takes them one step further to winning another election.

Whether conservatives move to an already formed party or form one big tent party, it’s in the best interest of Albertans and will undoubtedly be effective in ousting the NDP from government.

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commented 2016-06-06 16:14:08 -0400
Oh my dear Holly, goodness forbid an actual God-fearing Christian run as a politician and actually believe the Bible as it’s written! They might commit unrighteous acts such as telling us about a possible saviour from this lake of fire which all sinners are otherwise committed to (including liars— any lie, thieves— any covetousness, adulterers— any lustful thoughts). But second chances and self-respecting lifestyles, no, that just won’t do!
commented 2016-06-02 09:36:53 -0400
Dieter, I may not agree with Peter on much, but he’s for sure not a CINO.

Not one bit.

Do you impress yourself talking so big in your comments? You really come across as the kind of guy who can’t back his talk up and the size of his gun helps make up for any other shortcomings. I am 100% certain you only talk the way you do on the Internet, not in real life.
commented 2016-06-01 14:06:56 -0400
Lots of food for thought today Holly, and it certainly has brought the trolls, spewin’ and sputterin’…good job!
commented 2016-06-01 11:13:31 -0400
Too many disparate factions to “unite the right”. The split between the socons, the hardline fiscal but not social conservatives, and the centrists who merely want good leadership without the baggage, is too deep to fathom. Let them split up into several fringe parties, at least you’ll lose a principled loss.
commented 2016-06-01 10:43:27 -0400
There you go again Ron Christensen aka Sean Penson aka Gordo Steele, you exaggerated once again. You think anything right is far right when it is just right. If you think the modern populous would never vote for the right, then either you or the modern populous are complete idiots, I go with the former. By the way, why do you bother to use aliases Gordon? The only support for any of your posts comes from you via your aliases, which is exactly what you did at the Sun comments, eventually bringing it down. That will not happen here. Maybe you should just stick to the CBC.
commented 2016-06-01 10:12:59 -0400
It’s too bad, but a third party is the only way forward. The PC’s are progressive to the root. The WR has slipped it’s conservative moorings way back with Danielle Smith in the lust for power.

Albertans deserve better than a choice between Dumb and Dumber to replace the NDP.
commented 2016-06-01 08:06:32 -0400

You are gay yourself right?
commented 2016-06-01 08:03:44 -0400
SEAN PENSON commented 1 hour ago
Wild Rose needs to dissolve and come back into the PROGRESSIVE Conservative Association of Alberta, and rid themselves of the Socred reprobates….Only centrists will win enough support to regain government….The far right is NOT appealing to the urban Alberta of the 21st century

The far right is certainly NOT appealing and will NEVER be appealing to a modern populus. People are turned off by these simple-minded angry people. Just look at posts by many in here. You just can’t fix ’stupid".
commented 2016-06-01 07:33:35 -0400
Enough already, no 3rd party. The PCs had their chance and they blew it, it’s time to move on. One thing is absolutely certain, the ndp has to go or we will soon be in stiff competition with Ontario for who has the most subnational debt.
commented 2016-06-01 07:28:04 -0400
Laughable the leftist “useful idiot”, supposedly having conservative’s interests at heart, giving conservatives advice as to the best track to be on “to regain government”. The left is so far left that they might as well come out and openly declare that they are socialists like Bernie Sanders has such that anything, anything right of that is deemed ’far right" and not anywhere near to the center. Again, laughable.
commented 2016-06-01 07:17:58 -0400
Too much hype and attention is given to the idea, “unite the right”, sometimes understood as merging the PCs with their progressive ideas with the Wildrose which hasn’t been so great in that regard either. What is needed is the emergence of a political party holding to conservative values and principles and acting in accord with those principles and values such that the conservative voters in the province will unite behind the “right” party. The PCs are a lost cause and Wildrose has not shown itself to be that party, the recent self-flagellation with respect to Derek Fildebrandt being an embarrassing example. That has wounded and weakened the Wildrose.
As YVETTE points out ‘progressive’ means social engineering and social controlling of the culture to accept ‘progressive’ ideas and has no place in a Conservative party. A party that yields or compromises on that front gives away the store and any hope of being elected in the future. Concerning that someone who was quite involved with the Wildrose like Paul shares from his experience that “the party is rife with lefties”. The left does not want a true Conservative party to emerge.
commented 2016-06-01 07:11:11 -0400
Wild Rose needs to dissolve and come back into the PROGRESSIVE Conservative Association of Alberta, and rid themselves of the Socred reprobates….Only centrists will win enough support to regain government….The far right is NOT appealing to the urban Alberta of the 21st century
commented 2016-06-01 03:05:29 -0400
Slowdown Holly. You are speaking way too fast.
commented 2016-06-01 01:58:31 -0400
If 1 RIGHT lost the last election then 2 Rights should guarantee losing forever.
commented 2016-06-01 01:58:31 -0400
If 1 RIGHT lost the last election then 2 Rights should guarantee losing forever.
commented 2016-06-01 00:51:19 -0400
God forbid the NDP should win another term, only because the Wildrose can’t get their act together. I also, am sick & tired of Conservatives pandering to the left. They think one way & we think another way, so stand up for your beliefs & stop apologizing. Why do some Conservatives feel they have to be politically correct in order not to offend the left. They offend us continually, but I don’t see any pandering from them & If they feel that way then join the Liberals because frankly that’s where they belong. When it comes to another election, provincial or federal, I will stay home rather than cast a vote for a fake conservotive. I hate the term “progressive” which means social engineering & social controlling, it has no place in a true Conservative party.
commented 2016-06-01 00:26:57 -0400

You have a problem with true objectivity? You don’t like unprejudiced comment and correct analysis?

Your CINO colours are showing.
commented 2016-05-31 22:47:05 -0400
The truth is that neither of these Parties has earned the right to carry the banner of any political philosophy , let alone conservatism. Both have been unreliable. Both have vacillated on core policies and values. Both have confused the electorate with their lack of direction and dysfunctional behaviours.

Both parties remain culpable for the travesty that is the NDP. And yet they seem to look in the mirror and say “who me”. The answer to that is “yes you” , you screwed up and you best get your acts together sooner than later because your Province is going to hell in a handbasket.
commented 2016-05-31 22:07:38 -0400
The starting point should be defining conservative principles and values. A party (new or existing with Wildrose being the only hope with respect to an existing party) that emerges that expresses those principles and values and maps out its policies and positions that follow in accord with those principles and values may well capture a groundswell of grassroots support. For example, Wildrose caved in to political correctness (and perhaps pragmatism) by going along with the myth of man-made global warming, a pet project of the left to transform the capitalist economies. It would be refreshing to have a political party stand up to this nonsense which is the driver for the socialist NDP’s efforts to destroy Alberta’s economy.
commented 2016-05-31 21:55:04 -0400
The PCs are a lost cause. Wildrose has had a lot of time to get its act together and show itself to be a bonafide conservative party and shed its progressive, politically-correct overtones. So if it doesn’t step up soon and reveal that it can be such a party instead of a compromised party, then starting up a new party may well be the best option.
commented 2016-05-31 21:44:47 -0400
Holly, the opportunity to unite the right has passed and every week that passes just confirm that Alberta is ready for a third option. We need a party with a strong and charismatic leader, willing to take on progressives head on and not to apologize for who we are as a people.
commented 2016-05-31 21:43:24 -0400
So sick of the left leaning conservatives who coward at the msm’s bullying, and gay and muslims rights over normal Canadians. Gutless and useless politicians, but seriously Brian Jean is not the leader of the right in Alberta. Sick of cowering to the left and mad as hell what he did to Derek Fildebrand.
commented 2016-05-31 21:29:30 -0400
Western Bock party Fuck Ottawa – this time no quarter
commented 2016-05-31 19:44:53 -0400
ANONYMOUS as usual you are spot on.
commented 2016-05-31 19:42:34 -0400
Progressive Conservative is a oxymoron. How stupid. U are either a Progressive me a Progressive, if ur a conservative stick with conservative principles. Very disappointed with the conservative leaning left. BIG mistake. And i’m not so sure they are going to be able to talk their way out of this one.BUT that’s what happens when you think ur bigger then ur supporters.
commented 2016-05-31 19:21:23 -0400
What they call conservatives now, I would never want to have elected.

I would rather see a party not in power standing up for me and believing Whites/Males/Anglophones etc have a much right as other groups not to be discriminated against, not be subject hate and stereotypes as other groups do, which current Conservative politicians do not.

Please, “small government” – not when it could involve ticking off a bigot card playing special interest group, just cut government serving the needs of the public – the Harper way of governing.

Fiscal and social policies catering to political correctness, because cons are a bunch of cowardly wimps afraid to stand up to the bigot calling left – no thanks
commented 2016-05-31 19:09:15 -0400
All Canadian Conservative Parties and politicians are cowardly wimps more interested in being politically correct and avoiding the bigot card being played than standing up for themselves and the people they want the vote from like (White/Male/English/Heterosexuals but never stand up for them.

Here is what I wrote to one of these conservative gay SUN columnist who, Sue Ann Levy who stated “We don’t need a month of Pride”

Its 2016, we should not have any Pride parades at all. They only cater to heterophobic Wynne types who see homophobia under every rock and place

Furthermore, regarding your column

Why should I embrace your homosexual lifestyle when I don’t expect you to embrace my heterosexual lifestyle, and would be called impertinent if I did ?

Is not this preferential treatment in the name of equality?

No different than Transsexuals wanting preferential treatment in the name of equality by using the bathroom based on what they consider their gender to be, not as Heterosexuals and Homosexuals must use the washroom based on their actual physical parts

As well, Gay pride parades are also examples of preferential treatment in the name of equality in allowing public exhibitionism because they are homosexual

Finally, it would have been considerate to other people’s feelings if gays would have come up with a different term for gay union and leave the term “marriage” as a union between a man and a woman.

But when have I ever seen the gay movement ever show consideration for other groups like they expect other groups to show consideration for them.

It is such selfishness and preferential treatment in the name of equality by gay activists that is creating anti-gay attitudes, not certain religious bigots as the gay movement always blames because they never take responsibility for their actions.

- I doubt any conservative politician would dare call out a wrong from a homosexual today for fear of the bigot card, thus continuing to give them preferential treatment in the name equality
commented 2016-05-31 19:03:47 -0400
The PC’s are not right, they are slow motion NDP. Under Brian Jean I have to wonder about the WR. As far as the lake of fire comment goes. That’s exactly what I would expect a pastor to say.
commented 2016-05-31 18:09:35 -0400
Deiter, you really do live up to your last name. I am no real fan of Brian Jean, but you are a real cunt with your comments.

Why are you here? You live in Texas. Go hang out on a website in Texas.
commented 2016-05-31 16:56:09 -0400
The more see Brian Jean’s face, more I am convinced he is retarded.