July 18, 2016

Top 5 reasons Mike Pence was Trump’s WORST choice for vice president

Christopher WilsonRebel Commentator
 

Over the weekend Donald Trump announced his running mate would be Mike Pence, the Governor of Indiana. I didn't like the pick at all — here are five reasons why.

First, Pence is (or was) pro-amnesty. Long time Trump backer and anti-immigration advocate Ann Coulter was not pleased with the Pence pick, calling it "Trump’s first mistake.” 

Second, there’s Pence’s anti-LGBT history. Trump had made significant gains within the LGBT community after Orlando and I can’t help but feel he may have given some of that back with the Pence pick.

Pence has called being gay a choice and said keeping gays from marrying was not discrimination, but an enforcement of “God’s idea.”

Third, Pence is for free-trade and Trump is clearly not. Trump has called NAFTA the worst trade deal in the world and suggesting its successor the TPP will be a disaster as well.

However, Pence voted for every trade deal in his 12 years in Congress and tweeted his support for the TPP in September 2014.

WATCH to see the other reasons I think this pick was a bad idea — and the little known connection between Mike Pence and another disastrous V.P choice from the recent past...

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commented 2016-07-20 14:21:19 -0400
Very true Elton. For example there are limits to the number of refugees Obama can let in. He has met his limit, and although he might want more, he has no control over that. In Canada, the shiny pony can do whatever he wants as far as refugees.
commented 2016-07-19 14:28:01 -0400
That’s true Elton, the president himself can’t dismantle NAFTA however I could envision a president persuading the populace and more than a few legislators that the deal is bad for America and needs either a major rewrite or a bonfire. The impact of NAFTA on the the American working class has been far more pronounced than in it has been in Canada and a foreign bogeymen will be handy if/when American greatness isn’t restored quickly. At minimum we can certainly expect a much tougher US posture on trade, more disputes and a “my way or the highway” approach to resolving them. If Trump were to make good on his threats to penalize American companies who have moved their operations outside the border, what will that mean for the thousands of Canadians who work for US businesses that have relocated here over the past couple of decades? These are things to be concerned about.

Then there’s the foreign policy arena which also has potential to complicate our lives. On this front it’s hard to say what a Trump presidency would mean as his pronouncements on foreign policy have been more like musings and sort of hard to follow.
commented 2016-07-19 13:25:40 -0400
Don’t forget that the US president doesn’t have as much power as even our PM. Trade agreements, etc. aren’t so easy to change. The bottom line though is that it would be very hard to find anyone worse for America than crooked Hillary. Michael Mann, we’re still waiting for those never to be built pipelines-guess your not laughing yet.
commented 2016-07-19 13:19:25 -0400
Looking to be the Michael Mann thread here. I agree though that the GOP, to some extent (excepting the cheap labour express Bush family), are the true party of the middle class. The Democrats have abandoned the middle class as they encourage illegal workers to come take their jobs, and support climate change nonsense that is killing jobs.
commented 2016-07-19 13:12:24 -0400
Thanks Michael. I’ve been away from this site for a while and well, was kind of disappointed to see the sort of flame wars that are common on msm sites. However, be that as it may, I find Trump a fascinating character, particularly his methods which I don’t think are as unscripted and off the cuff as is widely believed. There is actually a sort of pattern in how he puts his ideas out that can draw people in because for every three things that rub you the wrong way there’s one thing that really resonates with you, so much so that you’re willing to hold your nose on the other three. I think that’s how he’s been able to gain as much ground as he has with all the disparate constituencies within the Republican party.

That said, I’m startled to see Canadians on the bandwagon. It’s hard to tell exactly what a Trump presidency would mean for Canada but from everything I’ve heard Trump say it doesn’t bode well. Tearing up NAFTA = massive job losses. American departure from NATO would effectively mean the end of NATO, Pay-to-play in NATO means Canada’s contributions would need to increase I don’t know how many times what they are now but it would be a huge hit. Increased border security = enjoy your trips south people. Apart from being sort of the pole opposite of Justin Trudeau I don’t see what would give Canadians reason to cheer for Donald. He will not be a friend to our country.
commented 2016-07-19 12:01:34 -0400
Wanda,

Thank you for that reasonable and sensible post.

Unfortunately it will go over the heads of most people here and they will just assume that you are a liberal for not automatically saying that Trump will be President no matter what.
commented 2016-07-19 11:56:26 -0400
Sandra,

Read the fucking speeches dummy in the link provided and watch the video of both speeches. It’s not an idea the media went with – it’s simply quoting both speeches.
commented 2016-07-19 11:53:56 -0400
Peter,

Please show me the contradictions.

I will wait.
commented 2016-07-19 09:10:16 -0400
Is Melania going to thank Michelle for writing her speech?
commented 2016-07-19 09:08:36 -0400
I share Christopher’s assessment regarding the Pence pick. In order to have a shot at winning the presidency, Trump needs to attract voters who are currently outside the Republican tent – disaffected Democrats, independents and newly-engaged voters who can’t stomach Hillary Clinton. While there are certainly plenty of Republicans who are uneasy about him, for a wide range of reasons, most will hold their noses and vote for him anyway because the thought of a Clinton presidency is more frightening for them. In choosing Pence, Trump is bringing in a guy who will preach effectively to the converted but will scare away the voters who he really needs to bring on board. Like it or not, there are large sectors of the voting population with whom he is unpopular, particularly women, young people, Hispanic people and African-Americans. If he doesn’t make inroads with at least some of these groups, he doesn’t stand much of a chance.

While many disaffected Democrats are unlikely to find Trump appealing no matter what he says or who he chose for Veep, he does (or did) have the potential to appeal to some with his position on the economy and opposition to trade deals that move jobs offshore. This however, is any area in which Pence’s track record won’t help him.

It’s telling that Trump appears to have had some last minute buyer’s remorse the night before Pence’s appointment was announced. Trump has gone a long way by following his instincts. Going with the recommendations of advisors hasn’t been his strong suit. In this case, it may be that the advisors have become so focused on trying to mend party fissures that they lost sight of the bigger picture. I would not be surprised if his gut was telling him to choose someone else, whether Gingrich, Christie or someone with military background. It will be interesting to see how this plays out but my gut tells me that Trump will regret this choice.
commented 2016-07-19 09:02:38 -0400
Sandra said, “She’s barely hanging on to her own freedom.”

If she didn’t have the head of the FBI willing to lie for her she would have been charged and facing some real serious jail time by now.

Many democrats even found the FBI’s decision unbelievable. He is taking serious heat from many high ranking people for his decision to not press charges when Hillary is clearly guilty.

Anyone who supports corrupt Hillary is also morally bankrupt, just like her.

You can tell that even our brainless, clueless socialist trolls are starting to think Trump could win because their whining is getting “louder”, more shrill, more frequent, and much, much more vulgar.
commented 2016-07-19 08:50:33 -0400
Michael said, “Nothing hypocritical or contradictory at all. I embrace reality.”

Michael, your comments indicate the contrary. You are just incapable of seeing it.
commented 2016-07-19 07:43:00 -0400
@michael MANN. Melania didn’t steal Obama’s speech. It’s mind boggling that the media muppets are so obtuse that they actually went with that idea and then people who watch crap media written by numpties and then jump to repeat it. You’ve all been trolled. Fools. And yes, Trump is going to win. There’s no way that murderous nutter hillary is getting in. She’s barely hanging on to her own freedom.
commented 2016-07-19 04:54:20 -0400
Peter,

Nothing hypocritical or contradictory at all. I embrace reality. You embrace fantasy in more ways than one. Even if I loved Trump, logic and reality would dictate that I still have to acknowledge the fact that he is going to lose.

You actually think he is going to win.
commented 2016-07-19 02:19:32 -0400
Chris, you under estimate Donald Trump.
commented 2016-07-19 02:18:39 -0400
Hillary is all about Hillary. She cares nothing for Americans. Trump loves his country and wants to make it great again.
commented 2016-07-19 02:05:29 -0400
If a VP is supposed to be a life insurgence policy, trump just hired double indemnity.
commented 2016-07-19 01:51:42 -0400
Donald has some great assets. At the top of the list are his wife and children. It says a lot about the man.
As I have already posted, I don’t think it matters that much who Trump’s VP is. It has to be a more effective pick than Obama’s VP.
Pence will be alright. I think Donald will have a lot of good people around him. If Ben Carson says Trump is a good listener that’s good enough for me.
Gawd can you imagine Hillary and Elizabeth Warren. The two witches. Heaven forbid!
commented 2016-07-19 01:09:55 -0400
From Melania Trumps speech “…you do what you say and keep your promise.”
I’ll bet Hillary choked on that sentence.
commented 2016-07-19 01:01:53 -0400
Hoo Boy!… After Melania Trump’s “knock it out of the ballpark” speech tonight on the opening night of the GOP Convention, I’m sure that more than one “Mikey Mann” clone is running to the liquor cabinet for comfort… So are you say Lying Hillary is going to be equally eloquent about her pride in her American citizenship?… Ha ha ha and hee hee hee, and ho ho ho, and yes, just have another pull on the bottle…
commented 2016-07-19 00:52:23 -0400
Those who ’Don’t want to hear the truth’ about Hillary, no matter how glaring her lies and deception are. No matter what Trump is or isn’t, or if you agree with what he stands for or not, he is a better choice than Hillary for America, and indeed the world. Hillary is a lying cheat and would sell her own granddaughter if she thought it would further her career. Is that specific enough for you? Hillary won’t make the world a safer place. It has become a priority and as attacks escalate it is pushed even closer to the forefront of this election. Hillary has a proven track record of not making the right decisions or any decision in a time frame which would have been of any value.
commented 2016-07-18 23:55:59 -0400
“and don’t want to hear the truth’

Which “truth” is that? Trump has about eight different, often contradictory, truths on the go at any one time. You must be more specific.
commented 2016-07-18 23:41:41 -0400
“Even reasonable conservatives who have long since left this place – thought you were fucking nuts.” This is the line you use often on many different posters, its what you do when you got nothing.
If Hillary gets in it will because people have their heads in the sand and don’t want to hear the truth. It certainly won’t be because she is the better candidate. We will see who prevails Mannie.
commented 2016-07-18 23:08:44 -0400
Michael Mann hypocritically said, "Come November, will you accept me attacking you relentlessly, because you didn’t know what the fuck you were talking about and posted idiocy at every turn? "

Do you even understand how contradictory your statement is? Probably not.

Anyone who supports lying Hillary for president exposes their lack of moral character.
commented 2016-07-18 22:50:32 -0400
Liza,

It’s not about putting Hillary on a pedestal – it’s about acknowledging reality. Something you never do since The Rebel first launched.

Even reasonable conservatives who have long since left this place – thought you were fucking nuts.
commented 2016-07-18 22:16:41 -0400
Too funny someone with a user name like Michael Mann is putting a liar like Hillary on a pedestal. It takes one to know one.
Hillary is losing ground and loses more every day that passes.
Andrew you always post after Mannie, does he give you courage to post or are you the same goof?
commented 2016-07-18 21:05:41 -0400
“George Dyer commented 2 hours ago
It continues to be so difficult for lefty liberals to wrap their heads around the fact that the Conservative and Republican Parties are the parties of true diversity”

I totally agree. You have your 58 year old white men, you have your 63 year old white men, you have your 72 year old white men. A veritable United Nations!
commented 2016-07-18 20:43:13 -0400
George,

LOL.

What kind of diversity are you talking about exactly? Not everyone is racist, bigoted or homophobic?
commented 2016-07-18 20:39:56 -0400
Peter,

He won’t win, but to appease you – in your fantasy scenario, I will absolutely say that I was wrong.

Come November, will you accept me attacking you relentlessly, because you didn’t know what the fuck you were talking about and posted idiocy at every turn?