July 17, 2015

Truth and Reconciliation: Premiers' empty promises are just "moral posing"

Rebel Staff
 

The Truth and Reconciliation report was supposed to be about residential schools. It was really a taxpayer funded socialist handbook for remaking every aspect of Canadian society.

Among other things, the report recommends a new statutory holiday and more funding for the CBC. What does that have to do with the real issues facing First Nations?

Of course, Justin Trudeau immediately claimed he would press for implementation of the entire report, before he could possibly have had time to read it.

Now Canadian premiers are jumping on the bandwagon, announcing at their big meeting in Newfoundland that they too were going to implement all the recommendations.

But Indian Affairs is under federal jurisdiction. They can't, and won't, really do anything recommended in the report.

This is just more moral preening and posing, like Trudeau was engaging in.

And the Canadian media isn't calling them on it.


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commented 2015-07-20 20:45:13 -0400 · Flag
Joan Abernethy, three things: First of all, I wasn’t talking to you. If you follow the thread, you will find I was responding to a Peter Babich’s tongue-in-cheek question to me. Second, the whole thread of our conversation was tongue-in-cheek. I was merely stating what I would like to see happen, I’m not actually throwing my hat in the ring for Prime minister. And third, I promised you a long time ago that I would no longer respond to, nor read, any more of your posts. I try to be a man of my word, but when you address me directly, you make that difficult. Please, in the future, comment on anything I post all you like, but I ask you not to address it to me directly. Having said that, I suppose you’ll do whatever you please.
P.S. If you respond to this I won’t read it.
commented 2015-07-20 18:36:52 -0400 · Flag
Maurice Potvin – Despite what Trudeau wants, Canada is not a dictatorship. No PM gets to call all the shots. There is parliamentary process, sober second thought, and royal assent. A democracy.
commented 2015-07-20 18:30:54 -0400 · Flag
Marty Ashfield, I beg to differ about your neurological health.

My condolences to you and your family.
commented 2015-07-20 18:29:01 -0400 · Flag
Rick Plesnick – is there some reason you think Terry Redden’s wife and family ought not be what you call his “beloved”?
commented 2015-07-19 14:57:29 -0400 · Flag
Maurice Potvin. I like how you think. Just waiting for the troll Terry Rudden to come on this thread screaming about the “A” word (assimilation) of his beloved aboriginals! Someone who I suspect makes a good coin off the current “Indian Industry” if I interpret his commentary correctly.
commented 2015-07-19 12:22:03 -0400 · Flag
I don’t know how many bands would go for it, some would, I would like to think.
I sure like your solutions, all of them, including defunding the CBC.
commented 2015-07-19 02:48:37 -0400
Peter Babich, no party would have me. And if the truth be told, I would have no party. No party whip is EVER tell me how to vote. My first loyalty would always be to my conscience, my second loyalty would be to the constituents who elected me, and loyalty to my party would come in a distant third. However, if I were Prime Minister, I would do away with the Indian Act. I would then offer each Native band two choices; become a sovereign, independent Nation, or, become fully integrated into Canadian Society. The offer to become fully part of Canada would also be extended to every individual member of a Band that chooses independence and sovereignty over being a part of Canada. For those bands that choose to become sovereign Nations, I would resolve border locations and territorial boundaries through negotiations, which may include lump sum payments for disputed lands and other outstanding claims. From that point on, they would be on their own. They would then be free to negotiate trading and commercial relations with the Canada, just like every other sovereign Nation. And, of course, travel off of these “Sovereign Nations” for work or recreation would require the appropriate documents, just like every other sovereign Nation. For those Bands who choose to become fully integrated into Canadian Society, they would also have to settle territorial boundaries through negotiation, and lump sum payments may also be required for any outstanding unfulfilled debts or promises. But after that, all reserve land would be parceled out equally among the band members, all band members would get property rights which would include the right to buy and sell their land - not just on the reserve but anywhere, and from that point on they would pay taxes. I would also invoke the “Not Withstanding” clause every time the SCOC overturned federal legislation. And while I’m at it, I might as well sell off or defund the CBC. Well, Peter, those would be my plans. What do think my chances are of getting elected?
commented 2015-07-18 20:48:24 -0400 · Flag
You sure you won’t run for PM Maurice?
commented 2015-07-18 17:22:14 -0400 · Flag
Thank you Maurice for your blunt and realistic assessment! This report is just more leftie posturing.
commented 2015-07-18 08:45:06 -0400 · Flag
Maurice said, “The status quo is always in someone’s best interest. That’s why it’s the status quo. … … This is great for Chiefs and their lawyers, but will do nothing for the average person living on the Reserves.”

On the mark as usual, Maurice!
commented 2015-07-18 04:35:10 -0400 · Flag
Looking at the Truth and Reconciliation process that took place in South Africa, everyone, including me, thought it was a great idea for Canada. Everyone also believed that the objectives of the process for those who suffered abuse in Residential Schools were similar to the objectives of Blacks who suffered oppression in South Africa; i.e. for the White oppressors to confess their wrongs, to seek and be grant forgiveness, to end apartheid and welcome all back into the fold and move on as one united Country with equality for all. However, that’s not what happened with the Canadian model. The agenda was hijacked from the very beginning. Instead of any attempt to remove barriers to becoming one nation with equality for all, they went in the opposite direction. Instead of ending apartheid, the committee worked very hard to strengthen, entrench, perpetuate and formalize apartheid. The status quo is always in someone’s best interest. That’s why it’s the status quo. When any former Residential School attendee had anything positive to say about their experience, they were barred from speaking. When many of those who had negative comments were paid for their testimony, the process is corrupt from the start. I believe the outcome was predetermined before it ever got off the ground. They don’t want equality, they want more perks in the for of tax dollars and tariffs on all resource development. This is great for Chiefs and their lawyers, but will do nothing for the average person living on the Reserves.
commented 2015-07-18 01:43:08 -0400 · Flag
Oh and by the way Joan, I and my siblings grew up without any mental illness or brain injuries, as did my kids.
So keep reading your science articles and listening to the great Conrad Black, you have a nice day.
commented 2015-07-18 01:39:04 -0400 · Flag
Joan Abernethy, First, of all my name is Marty Ashfield, NOT Marty Ashford. Second, Never did I say anything about getting spanked on the BARE buttocks. Third THERE WAS NO SEXUAL connotations in the discipline. I disciplined my children when they were young by spanking, AGAIN, there were never any connotations of a sexual nature.
That does not mean that there aren’t people that act in this way, BUT you seem to want to lump everyone into the same basket and you and Conrad Black are WRONG. I don’t care how much of a great man you think he is, I think different.
So, make your comments but try not to generalize when it comes to important subjects like this.
I still maintain as do others that Spanking does not belong in the Truth and Reconciliation report. SEXUAL abuse does belong in there, but there is a difference even if you can’t see it.
commented 2015-07-18 00:49:22 -0400 · Flag
Seagulls fly upside down over Indian reservations because they figure they’ve gotten enough free shit
commented 2015-07-17 22:21:01 -0400 · Flag
Jason Weaver – what the hell are you talking to me about sodomy for? Eh?
commented 2015-07-17 22:19:14 -0400 · Flag
Marty Ashford – so you don’t think your buttocks are sexual? Science disagrees with you, of course.

And by the way, you should listen to what Conrad Black said about the norm. I guess you think he has an agenda. He said the spankings he got in school were “sexually deviant” – as, he said, all such punishments were.

I know, I know, Connie is a pervert just like I am just like all those health care workers who understand that bare naked spankings are, in fact, the norm.

Grow up and face facts. If you hit your kids on the buttocks, they are at higher risk not only of developing mental illness but also of developing brain injury, as repeated blows to the base of the spine travel up the spine to the brain where trauma affects the victim just like it does veterans of war.

Think this through a little more. Reasonable force is acceptable; indulging parental abuse, including rampant sex abuse of children rationalized as discipline, is not.
commented 2015-07-17 22:13:59 -0400 · Flag
Peter Netterville, so you’re okay with those parents who tie their children up by the feet, hang them from the ceiling, force them to eat their own vomit, until they die … all in the name of discipline.

Children are people. No parent has the right to beat their children into a stupor just because their semen and/or egg caused their lives. Parents do not own children. God does.

Thank God we have laws to restrict parents who believe like you do, that you can abuse your children to your heart’s content because they are your property. Children are people, not chattel.
commented 2015-07-17 22:11:02 -0400 · Flag
Liza Rosie – read the gd T&R report, for Christ’s sake before you call what I say about it ‘bizarre"… stop libelling me as a pervert. I’m sick of it.
commented 2015-07-17 22:02:01 -0400 · Flag
As long as every one is happy…with the outcome.
commented 2015-07-17 20:38:20 -0400 · Flag
Wow, really Joan? Some people may find pleasure in sodomy, but many find it rather disgusting… myself included. Yikes!
commented 2015-07-17 16:01:46 -0400
Liza Rosie, I completely agree, actually you took the words out of my mouth, except for disciplining my kids in school. I raised 3 kids who are all grown up and successful adults today. We remain as a close family, and I did what my Father did when I started school. My father and I talked to the principal and told them in so many words that it was ok to discipline my kids, however if I ever found out that cruelty was involved, then I would have him answer to me.
I was disciplined in school and at home, getting the cane in school and spanked at home, however there was never anything sexual about any of it and never was I caned or spanked anywhere but the buttocks, in school sometimes on the hands or knuckles, but that was it. None of my siblings or any of my friends were ‘sexually’ spanked, and I never heard of anything like that in school or anywhere else.
So, yes to paint a picture of the beatings of young children’s naked genitals as the norm is a little more than just bizarre, its an effort to push forth your own agenda.
You are also correct in saying that such recommendations have no place in a Truth and Reconciliation report, neither does giving more money to the CBC or trying to get another holiday from work and a lot of other idiotic recommendations.
I shake my head when I see that these FN leaders could have recommended things like getting rid of the Indian Act, supporting the bill that makes every chief disclose their finances so that the people on the reserves can be informed as to how the millions and millions of federal dollars have been misused by their so called leaders, making them rich and keeping the people in squalor. But these things would make sense and there is no sense within the FN millionaires club, only self serving.
commented 2015-07-17 13:57:45 -0400 · Flag
Liza said, “But the government has no place deciding for me how to discipline my child. And such a recommendation has no place in a Truth and Reconciliation report.”

Precisely. There are already laws against abuse of children, there should never be one for disciplining a child.
commented 2015-07-17 13:14:13 -0400 · Flag
When I was in elementary school, kids got the strap. No one ever had their bare bum or clothed bum touched.
It was the palm of our hands that got it. No butts clothed or unclothed.

My Mother however had a wicked swing with the strap, which usually caught me on my clothed rump, as I was attempting to flee. To paint a picture of the beating of young children’s naked genitals as the norm is a little bizarre.

I’m not an advocate of the strap in schools at all. I would not take kindly to a teacher disciplining my kid physically, period.
But the government has no place deciding for me how to discipline my child. And such a recommendation has no place in a Truth and Reconciliation report.
commented 2015-07-17 12:48:32 -0400 · Flag
“But what is “reasonable force”?”

That is the question. Those that are the loudest against “reasonable force” demand no physical contact whatsoever.

You see, even though what you posted is reasonable, many would not agree.

The difficulty comes in trying to reach a reasonable definition. And since so many people would try to politicize any attempt by the government to reach a consensus, it is not something the government will tackle at this time. At least that is my take on the subject.
commented 2015-07-17 12:03:18 -0400 · Flag
Ezra is wrong about spanking. As Conrad Black observed, most institutionalized spanking, including in the domestic institution of families, is sexual abuse disguised and rationalized as discipline.

But Section 43 of the Criminal Code does not specifically condone spanking. It allows the use of reasonable force in correcting a child. But what is “reasonable force”?

The minority opinions on the latest review of Section 43 objected it is too vague and I agree. We need not repeal Section 43 but we do need to better define what “reasonable force” means.

“Reasonable force” should be redefined to criminalize the baring naked of children’s genitals for the purpose of bending them over, exposing their buttocks and thighs, and repeatedly striking them in the name of discipline. That is, Section 43 should be rewritten specifically to criminalize spanking.

Spanking is defined as the repeated striking of a child’s buttocks. Buttocks are sexual. Striking the penis, vagina and/or buttocks of children is child sexual abuse.

Let’s stop being coy about this. The reason the T&R report recommends repealing Section 43 of the Criminal Code is because the sexual abuse of spankings, as Conrad Black observed also was widely practiced in non-FN boarding schools and private families, disabled far too many Canadians. It still does and will continue to cost us for as long as our law allows sexual abuse under the vague definition of reasonable force in Section 43 of the CC.

We all pay for that, from our taxes, monthly, in disability benefits. And much, much more in health care payments to psychiatrists, social workers, and the pharmaceutical companies.

Baring naked a child’s privates, bending over a child to repeatedly strike his/her around the genitals is sexual abuse, not reasonable force.
commented 2015-07-17 11:10:14 -0400 · Flag
The truth and reconciliation report was a big disappointment and it is very discouraging to hear all these politicians making all these empty promises. It concerns me that with some of the recommendations in this report is going split Canadians and it will create more division between FN and non FN. It also disturbs me that politicians and so-called media journalists did not actually read the report and are already putting pressure on the government to move forward on it. The government is the only party who is showing any common sense on this issue. I am sure they are actually reading through it and reserving any comment on it until they have discussed every issue. You do not have to be a genius to know that before you sign off on something you better make sure you read the fine print. Isn’t that what our our elected officials are suppose to do?
commented 2015-07-17 10:47:47 -0400 · Flag
If natives want to close the gap they can start paying income tax and property tax like the rest of us do. Life on the reserve may be tax free but if want to close the gap you have to get a hair cut, leave the reserve and find a real job.
commented 2015-07-17 09:49:04 -0400 · Flag
I invite you Ezra Levant and your readers to join me and other Canadians in “closing the gaps” as suggested by Perry Bellegarde the National chief of First Nations. “Canada has an opportunity of being the GREATEST NATION on Earth!” YouTube: https://youtu.be/yo8kgTsuL0c
commented 2015-07-17 09:16:41 -0400 · Flag
It is going to be “everything is free” politics leading up to October.

Conservatives are the best at planning spending without jacking taxes.

troodo and communist no-care will just empty coffers – like pig obama ($18.5T in US Fed debt and counting) – and the masses will get hammered (like the US where the lowest labor participation rate since early 1970s exists – the US has frauded their data to show 5.5% unemployment – it’s about 20%).

And then the BoC like the Fed, can jack printing and paper over a failed economy – just like PIG OBAMA. Funny how historically, the Dems voted to keep slavery and obama, knowing this, ran to be it’s leader.