March 18, 2015

Union thinks YOU shouldn't be able to buy beer in Ontario grocery stores

Emily PrattRebel Correspondent

The president of the Ontario Public Service Employees Union is calling out Premier Kathleen Wynne when it comes to the government's potential plan to sell beer and wine in large grocery stores.

Smokey Thomas says this is corruption in action and wants a public inquiry into Ontario's privatization industry.

Emily Pratt of spoke with Smokey about why he is against the change to the province's alcohol retailing system.

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commented 2015-03-25 16:19:04 -0400
I’m forced to agree with Thomas’ position. All his claims made absolute sense. If no additional training is given to store employees, slips like his examples could very well happen. And stores probably hurt enough for money in this competitive market. In order to help bolster safety and lower theft even more, they’d likely have to hire in-store security, and update the security systems of each store. While not a bad thing, it’s costly and makes shoppers unaccustomed to such things quite apprehensive.
commented 2015-03-20 01:11:43 -0400
Come to Quebec where beer and wine is sold in every big store and every convenience store 7 days a week and hard liquor is the only controlled booze. Provinces that control all alcohol end up with boot-Leggers by the thousands selling beer for over double the price.
Full control of all alcohol also puts more impaired drivers on the roads driving to a controlled outlet when they run out. Whereas in Quebec, a convenience store is usually within walking distance in most neighborhoods.
commented 2015-03-19 14:12:06 -0400
6000 OPSEU members holding the rest of the province hostage. Let’s break down Smokey’s arguments. In South Carolina anyone purchasing alcohol must show valid ID, regardless of age(no exeptions). Corner stores in Ontario cannot sell tobacco products to underage consumers or risk losing their licence. If the government privatized all beer, wine and, spirit sales they would immediately remove all overhead costs associated with the sale of alcohol. Add to that the value of the real estate involved and the government would net more money even if sales did not increase. The only risk here is the paying of part time clerks in excess of $25 per hour and the resulting loss of union dues. Tell the truth Smokey.
commented 2015-03-19 12:49:54 -0400
Good interview by Emily Pratt. Smokey Thomas explains his position well even if his primary motivation is protecting the jobs of his union members. Given the never ending tragedy which McGuinty/Wynne economic record, one has to know that if the Wynne Lieberals now want to privatize, where once they resisted it, that at best their motivations are self-serving and that it will be the Ontario taxpayer who is hurt again.
commented 2015-03-19 00:17:24 -0400
Jake, Smokey opposed the Liberals in the last election. He is NDP all the way. It was Sid Ryan’s cabal that organized all the other unions, including OPP, EMS, FF, civil servants, etc., to intimidate Ontario into voting Liberal.

And they’re planning to try it on federally this year too.
commented 2015-03-18 21:31:20 -0400
Let’s do math!!! 5 billion in sales 1.75 in profit. Taxes that provincial government should take in: 2 billion (this number is a guess, I could not find) My conclusion. the LCBO costs us money to run. If the 1.75 includes tax, it ain’t enough, if it doesn’t we need to know how this new math works. We know it does not cost really 50 a liter to make. Take off the taxes from the 5 billion, you might have a billion in real revenue. How can you make 1.75 profit selling 1 billion?

Yes Smokey, we need transparency. How much does the LCBO really make? The numbers don’t add up. Besides any monopoly which is stupid enough to offer a customer loyalty program is insane. How much does the air miles program cost us. for what? Don’t even look at the 700 million the government is giving to the foreign companies who own the beer store.
commented 2015-03-18 19:10:57 -0400
correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t this union like so many other’s back ( prop up ) the liberal’s in the last election. Now they’re crying foul, and quoting Hudack of all things, what a joke !
commented 2015-03-18 18:57:10 -0400
“Smokey” your union people are not some form of divine beings who are the only ones capable of performing what you claim are special skills and talents. You are just spouting your rhetoric to protect the union employees and the union leaders jobs and incomes, fair play. What I do like is your pointing at the Wynne Liberals and the corruption they are dealing out nearly every day. How does it feel to have your trough suddenly empty and in threat of being taken away? Welcome to the rank and file of the Ontar-we-owe taxpayer “Smokey”! Now don’t you wish you had of voted with your mind rather than your wallet?
commented 2015-03-18 18:41:03 -0400
I think this sell-off by Wynn and company is just a way for this spend spend spend government to generate more cash to spend while still going deeper and deeper into debt. If this does go down, I think it would be a great idea if people who wish to purchase these controlled products should have to register at the MTO and get a photo ID card specifying that they intend to purchase these products. If people were (licensed) registered to use these products, it could be expanded to include marijuana (if it is ever legalized) and tobacco etc. Their identities would then be known to health and government orgs and targeted assistance could be offered to help them get free of these substances.
commented 2015-03-18 17:21:02 -0400
Just unions trying to protect their overpaid jobs from being dissolved forever.
Wynne is broke and doesn’t want to start defaulting on liberal debt. Wynne is ready to sell anything.
Selling Hydro while keeping booze is beyond stupid, even for the man-hater Wynne (MOAR MISOGYNY LEGISLATION PLEASE).

Let me be clear – Wynne will FK this up like all things she’s touched in the past. But at least the reprobate will try.

Funny watching to socialists fighting amongst themselves. I really enjoy it.
commented 2015-03-18 17:02:10 -0400
And we think that we are somehow different than our friends in Ohio, and Michigan, and Quebec? Why should we be paying premium wages for a monopoly when a store owner can sell the controlled substance Tobacco? What is different?
commented 2015-03-18 16:54:54 -0400
Unions think that only they (and maybe their members) are espeshial
and that only they deserve to live like kings at taxpayers expenses.
They don’t even see the irony. While they’re preaching workers rights
they are actually living a capitalistic monopoly as long as their votes
can be bought by crooked politicians. Reminds me of a certain Province.
(Or more than one.)
commented 2015-03-18 16:53:08 -0400
That`s the union for ya.
commented 2015-03-18 15:20:12 -0400
My fellow citizens of Ontario , we the union ,have the dauntless responsibility of protecting you from yourselves.