April 01, 2016

Miss the Munk Debate on refugees? WATCH here! Steyn & Farage vs Arbour & Schama

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commented 2016-04-04 15:05:14 -0400
New movie coming out:

2 leftists driving themselves off the debate cliff, it is called “Simon and Louise”
commented 2016-04-04 12:40:41 -0400
Allan, except…… that to say they have ‘reverted’ is a bit misleading, it implies going backward, when they have actually progressed to this more violent interpretation of the teachings in the Koran. The first writings had a more peaceful flavour, but Mohammed’s more recent writings were all about vengence and control. He stated that if there were any contradiction between the old and more recent, that the new teachings over ruled any older proclamations.
So I can’t agree that they have ‘reverted’. What we are seeing now is what Islam has morphed INTO. The ‘moderates’ follow the older writings, even when just by doing that they are actually going against the very clear directions of Mohammed. http://enoughfornow.tripod.com/meccaandmedina.html Raheel Raza is definitely a moderate and I applaud her and hope she makes headway. However I am not holding my breath. She has death threats against her from Muslims who are much more literal in their interpretation and reject her more peaceful take, because according to Mohammed, in the case of any contradiction, the new teachings must be followed. Any ‘renaissance’ could take some time to accomplish, say a century or more? If anyone is ‘reverting’ it is Raza. The video you posted Allan is a very good one, I encourage everyone to watch it. The Clarion project is very commendable. There is nothing good about Sharia or most of the doctrine of Islam, since its main goal is to rule supreme over the infidel’s. It has very little to do with peaceful co-existence, and the peaceful teachings have been left behind by all but a few. http://enoughfornow.tripod.com/sharia.html
commented 2016-04-04 06:48:17 -0400
Thanks to all who told Ron Christensen how it is. Ron, if you want proof, see the PEW survey on Islam’s views on morals, ethics and justice (honour killing, women’s rights, suicide bombers, etc) By The Numbers – The Untold Story of Muslim Opinions & Demographics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSPvnFDDQHk While it’s fact that Christianity and Judaism have had violent pasts; they have matured to give birth to free democratic societies with separation of religion and state. However, Islam as practised in most Muslim countries has yet to have that same level of renaissance. So I’m not saying that that the problem is with the doctrine of Islam and Sharia (while many may disagree); the problem is the most Muslim countries have reverted to a fundamentalist’s interpretation of the doctrine. The result is the people living in these countries embrace these radical views. The key one being hate for Christians and Jews.
commented 2016-04-03 21:06:44 -0400
Debate was great. Nice to see a couple of clueless liberals get their ass handed to them by Steyn and Farage.
commented 2016-04-03 20:08:39 -0400
Finally had the time to watch the debate. If you want to watch close mindedness in action, watch the young ladies behind Stein and Farage, every time they make a debating point.

Schama started off as an entertainer, and after being put in place by Stein, became the stronger member of the Yeahs, and made good points once settled.

Of course format, Arbour had the last word and introduced a number of comments not open to debate. Stein got shut down earlier for introducing such comments earlier, being in the middle of the debate. However, we should be realizing that Arbour is some kind of Canadian hero being a Quebec Liberal, hence an affirmative action hire back in the day. Just like Dallaire is the only general Canada ever had.
commented 2016-04-03 18:34:10 -0400
Ron Christensen said to Allan Sand’s comment 17 hours ago, “Now prove this bullshit. Prove this or STFU

Poor Ronnie is getting mad! You can tell by the intellectually superior comment he made.
commented 2016-04-03 17:51:59 -0400
Regarding the Munk debate—- Pro vs con on mass Muslim I
migrant immigration: I was very sad I couldn’t get a ticket to the Munk debate last Friday. Sold out! But I was very happy to watch it live on Livestream! I was truly amazed by two things: One, that Simon Schama would joke about what he perceives as Mark Steyn’s obsession of young Muslim refugee men as “ravening sexual monsters”, looking to go to Europe for the purpose of “upping their rape score”. And that Simon got quite a good laugh from the audience (ridiculing Mr. Steyn) to which Mr. Steyn stood up and passionately responded to by saying that he saw nothing funny about rape, and congratulated Simon on his ability of “getting big laughs on gang rape”.

And at the same time, Mr. Steyn responded to Madame Louise Arbour’s insult directed to him, that he was never much of a feminist (like herself and all progressives), to which he agreed, but that he drew a line when a 3-year old is raped.

Mark pointed out that Madame Arbour previously had stated, that rape is not “about sex” (sorry Mr. Schama), but about power exerted by a man, or by a gang of men, over another person—-and that other person usually being woman (or girl).

Then Mr. Steyn went on to list just a few of the dozens of sex assaults which take place now, every day in Germany (and across Europe) since the great refugee migration—— Like the 3-year old girl and 7-year old girl being gang raped in a basement; 16-year old boy raped inside Wolfsberg city hall; 13-year old girl raped at railway station in Ellwangen,; three girls sexually assaulted in a swimming pool in in Ansbach; a 15-year girl raped near a train station in Wuppertal; attempted gang rape of a 13-year old girl in Gelsenkirchen. Mr. Steyn said he could go on and on…. And yes, he could…

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/…/germany-rape

And as Mr. Steyn said, “These are all rapes and gang rapes in public places such as trains, streets, parks and even city hall,” were perpetrated by migrants. And that the Mayors and politicians of Europe—-from Vienna to Cologne—-are warning their women to not dress “provocatively” and not to “go out after dark” unless accompanied.

So much for women’s rights in Europe! And as Nigel Farage later pointed out: Now in Europe “migrants rights now trump women’s rights.” It’s amazing the “feminist”, Madame Arbour, can’t see this.

And, speaking of Arbour. The second stunner of the debate is that she wants to see the definition of “refugee” as defined by the 1951 Refugee Convention, to include “economic migrants!” But what about the original meaning of protecting persons from harm because of their race, religious beliefs, being members of a group, such as gays, or having political beliefs that are persecuted?” (for which Mr. Farage pointed out, by the 1951 Convention truly persecuted refugees are the Yazidis and Middle Eastern Christians who are being raped, beheaded and crucified, but which no politicians stand up for !) . What about those non-economic migrants Madame Arbour?

But for Madame Arbour not having a job in Afghanistan or Sudan is a reason for “refugee status. “ She is clearly over-the-top ridiculous, as Mr. Steyn pointed out, that’s another 3 billion or so people, many from failed states. (Hey, “refugees”.
How about making your own state no longer failed anymore? How about fighting for your own country?).

It is just amazing to me how unknowledgeable and how unaware of basic facts, are Simon Schama and Louise Arbour when compared with Nigel Farage and Mark Steyn.

Great job of getting some of these facts out Mark and Nigel!
commented 2016-04-03 17:19:00 -0400
to continue,
region, should not the destination of the refugees have the option of accepting the swarm at a huge economic loss or should the recipient country, countries be able to change the conditions in the areas that are creating the refugees.
My point is that the west can defeat the third world invasion by attacking them first and giving their populations what they want, a western standard of living.
commented 2016-04-03 17:06:45 -0400
Many here may not like the plan and the simplicity of it may blow up the brains of some but here it is. If a Country, region or area has failed to the degree that a large percentage of it’s population feels the need to flee that
commented 2016-04-03 16:49:41 -0400
“I hate like hell to address you at all but I have to ask, what is your dog in this fight? "

LISA ROSIE, I’ve got some news for you. There are no dogs, and there is certainly no fight in these little pudd-pullers. A generation or two ago they would have locked themselves in the bathroom with a skin mag and beat themselves raw – nowadays they get the same jollies by your responses to their (obvious) provocations.

QUIT BEING THEIR CENTERFOLD!
commented 2016-04-03 13:38:18 -0400
Christensen . . . why not take a trip to Brussels or Malmo . . . and answer your own question?
This is an invasion . . . Europe is done . . . we still have 30 years . . . maybe !
commented 2016-04-03 12:02:33 -0400
Ron Christensen, I hate like hell to address you at all but I have to ask, what is your dog in this fight? Who are you, what is your connection, or are you just a liberal sheeple apologist, drinking the kool aide? There are more than enough glaring examples of retraining the ‘infidels’ in Canada alone to keep you reading all day. The accommodation of Sharia in Canada already is a worry. They are priming us for full on infiltration and you know it. The proof is all around you, we are not as blind as you’d like us to be, and you’ll find out soon that we’re not all as stupid or tolerant of Islamists who want to change our country as trudeaus’ pansy ass followers are showing you. Not all of Canada will be complicit in this destruction of their culture and values, because Trudeau’s agenda does not represent the values of most Canadian’s. The day of reckoning is coming.
commented 2016-04-03 11:54:49 -0400
Ron, who the fuck do you think you are? The prefect of these pages? Allan Sand had an opinion and he’s not subject to your approval. So why don’t you just fuck off to your basement cell and take your drugs like a good little asshole…
commented 2016-04-03 09:37:17 -0400
Allan Sand

However; one thing these ‘refugees’ don’t fight about is their abhorrence of liberal and conservative western democratic values and their hate for Jews and Christians. So much so that they will do everything in their power to convert their host countries to their values or die trying.

Now prove this bullshit. Prove this or STFU
commented 2016-04-03 08:36:09 -0400
I think that Steyn @farage were being Intentionally gentile to those 2 buffoons.
You can’t slaughter your opponents if you want to have any more speaking engagements. LOL
The point was made and the ‘Good Guys’ won.
commented 2016-04-03 04:43:00 -0400
I think Steyn & Farage could have done way better to decimate the irrationality of the argument of the other side.

Right off the bat they should have addressed the Plea To Emotion; plus you know the leftwing is always going to play the race card.

Blame, shame, and guilt; that’s all the lefwing can argue with. It’s the tools in the top drawer of their toolbox.

Look at Arbour’s words, “would be a stain and shame to Canada” to slowdown the mass importation.
It’s actually sickening that the crowd would applaud that.

That’s why you have to disarm your opponent of the tool of Appeal To Emotion; the sheeple/leftwing slurp it right up like sugary kool-aid.

btw,
Canadian citizenship is DEVALUED by ALLOWING foreign-born Terrorists to keep their citizenship and passport.
You maintain the integrity of what it means to be a Canadian by showing they are NOT WORTHY of being Canadians; and having had lied to receive that privilege.

@climatefallacy
commented 2016-04-03 02:40:26 -0400
Well , Allan Sand—— they will have to KILL a whole lot more of us—- to defeat the Media guilt trip..
commented 2016-04-03 02:30:56 -0400
WOW ! I am just listening to this now. Mark Stein has just had his say.
Now, this idiot that is speaking - I don’t know his fucking name— don’t need to— turn off the sound.
Watch the way he moves. It is so choreographed . Snake oil— could be clean.
Just listen to that bitch in the glasses—— her favourite word is ‘assumed’—-
commented 2016-04-03 01:50:34 -0400
My parents were immigrants from Poland. Unfortunately, the rest of the family was murdered by the Nazis. Canada and US could have done a lot more to help WW2 TRUE refugees. And it was this need to repent that led Canada to welcome with open arms the Boat refugees from Vietnam and many other conflict zones since then. The same shame mentality is why Germany has taken in 1 million migrants. However, the difference with the Muslims fleeing Syria and Iraq and Libya etc.; is that they are fleeing from a fight of the death for domination of Islam. Shia versus Sunni. However; one thing these ‘refugees’ don’t fight about is their abhorrence of liberal and conservative western democratic values and their hate for Jews and Christians. So much so that they will do everything in their power to convert their host countries to their values or die trying. The facts (so well said by the No side debaters) speak for themselves. The most disturbing part of the debate was that over 70% of the audience was unaware of these facts before the debate began. The good news is that once presented with facts some in the audience switched sides. What will it take for the rest to see that we need to screen out those refugees that hate our values (and eventually become radicalised).
commented 2016-04-03 00:13:07 -0400
“However, I am still more than disturbed by the 55% that remained unconvinced or unconcerned about the danger of this no border policy. If that 55% is generally representative of the population, then what is it going to take to convince people or the very real danger?”

Well, PETER NETTERVILLE, I’d say that most of the voting population is unconcerned – but the lack of concern is really ignorance: they just don’t have a clue or an opinion about anything important at all.

What is it going to take to change that? The wolves will have to be at their door, PETER. And then it will be waaaaaayyyyyyyy too late.

But that’s okay. I’m looking forward to the show. The parasites and the useful idiots will get what they voted for.

Today’s Sesame Street brought to you by the letter B.
commented 2016-04-02 21:57:08 -0400
This Simon Schama is employed by the BBC , look at him i find him rather out of touch and belittling and just a plain old senile fool if there were no government who would house the refugees NO ONE thats who the rich bitch and the Quaint fella Simon arent going to house 3 military aged muslim males
commented 2016-04-02 21:45:11 -0400
Those 55 percent wont catch on / wake up until the Military jackboot is on their head.
commented 2016-04-02 21:45:06 -0400
Sorry folks, yes I got the names of the debaters mixed up – sorry about that!

I also find it odd that Schama ( the so-called historian) , being a Jew, is so intent on bringing people here who, it is obvious from polls, want to blow his Jewish brains out. This is but one indicator that the two on the pro-side are simply nuts! I mean they have completely lost it. The are closing down Synagogues and building Mosques. Then you have the gays, feminists, human rights groups etc. etc. they are all nuts! For them it is social suicide.

What was really telling in this debate as well are the faces of the young people in the audience and their reactions to many of the comments. You know that look of arrogance and being completely brainwashed.

There are so many comments I could make about MY experiences in Toronto as a youth and the recent wave of immigration but they would be labelled as racist. That is because I hung out on the street and in bars along the south Young Street strip. It went from a relatively safe city almost overnight to a gang infested nightmare. When the left tell you it has nothing to do with immigrants and immigration they are lying through their teeth. So what changed then? This is not a racial issue. This is a behavioural issue as it applies to certain people from certain countries. For example, Asians have gangs. However, just like Hell’s Angel’s etc. they wont bother you unless YOU bother them. So I don’t care about them. But people from certain countries cause problems because the left drops them here and then tells them to fend for yourself. They join gangs and shoot at each other across crowds of innocent people. In other Canadian cities there is a quickly growing problem with gangs of Muslim youth and their involvement with prostitution and drugs. So what does Arbour and Schama think will happen with the thousands of Muslim youth they are bringing here now with no language and no skills. Screw the terrorism, they will join gangs and ALSO likely be radicalized in the end. Gangs also mean they will have access to illegal firearms while Trudeau is trying to take away those of legal gun owners!

In short we cant afford this on SO MANY LEVELS. We have pissed away OUR children’s future. Not only will they have to deal with Trudeau’s Billions of dollars of debt but also these morons.
commented 2016-04-02 19:03:08 -0400
It is obvious that Mark Steyn and Nigel Farage were the winners of the debate, and the 22% increase in audience opinion indicated that. However, I am still more than disturbed by the 55% that remained unconvinced or unconcerned about the danger of this no border policy. If that 55% is generally representative of the population, then what is it going to take to convince people or the very real danger?
commented 2016-04-02 18:34:54 -0400
Two progressives and two conservatives had to cross a cow pasture. The progressives ran across to be first. The Conservatives walked and looked down as they crossed to ensure they didn’t step into a cow pie.

Regarding the Canadian Syrian refugee program, Trudeau will find cow shit on his stylish shoes and socks before it is over.
commented 2016-04-02 16:21:23 -0400
Danny Prusky – thanks so much for posting that information. I was curious.
commented 2016-04-02 16:18:59 -0400
Ken Joyce – I don’t normally read through very long posts such as yours but you made some very interesting points and comparisons and managed to hold my attention to the end.

I Just wanted to point out though, that you have Simon Schama (Pro side with Louise Arbour) confused with Nigel Farage who was on the Con side with Mark Steyne.

And thanks Rebel for posting this very interesting debate.