February 29, 2016

Despite its good intentions, Bill C-230 could turn out to be "a gun grabber's delight"

Todd BrownRebel Blogger
 

Conservative MP for Bruce-Grey-Owen Sound, Larry Miller, tabled a bill on February 24 that could resolve the problems caused by the RCMP's reclassification of firearms based on looks or colour.

However, there are some back door changes that could also make this bill a gun grabbers’ delight.

On the good side, Miller’s bill actually clearly defines a word -- "variant" -- found in the Criminal Code and Firearms Act, and that was left open to interpretation by bureaucrats.

Canadian gun owners learned this when some of our guns were reclassified because, solely on account of their appearance, they were deemed to be a "variant" of an already "prohibited" firearm. The Mossberg Blaze 47 rifle was just one example.

Miller's bill C-230 will end the practice of unwarranted and inconsistent reclassification, by concretely defining the word "variant" as “in respect of a firearm, means a firearm that has the unmodified frame or receiver of another firearm."

However, the down side to this bill is that it also changes the Criminal Code definitions of "prohibited firearm" and "restricted firearm," with the addition of the following phrase to both definitions:

“(e) any variant of a firearm described in any one of paragraphs (a) to (d).‍”

Many more guns, and especially handguns, could get moved to the "prohibited" list automatically if bill C-230 is passed.

There are many restricted firearms that have been manufactured to comply with Canada’s existing regulations, by extending barrel lengths, for example. The fact that a firearm has a longer barrel length will not matter if it also shares the same frame or receiver as a prohibited firearm, because a "variant" is now a firearm that has the unmodified frame or receiver of another firearm.

So, your once restricted firearm automatically becomes a prohibited firearm (if it shares the same frame or receiver of a prohibited firearm) under C-230.

A simple solution would be to strike the following from the bill:

(2) The definition prohibited firearm in subsection 84(1) of the Act is amended by striking out “or” at the end of paragraph (c), by adding “or’’ at the end of paragraph (d) and by adding the following after paragraph (d):
(e) any variant of a firearm described in any one of paragraphs (a) to (d).

(3) The definition restricted firearm in subsection 84(1) of the Act is amended by striking out “or” at the end of paragraph (c), by adding “or’’ at the end of paragraph (d) and by adding the following after paragraph (d):(e) any variant of a firearm described in any one of paragraphs (a) to (d).‍

And keep:

(1) Subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code is amended by adding the following in alphabetical order:
variant, in respect of a firearm, means a firearm that has the unmodified frame or receiver of another firearm.

The effort is admirable and I am sure Larry Miller means well, but we must always be vigilant when someone is proposing to change the law.

(Recognition and thanks to Edmonton lawyer Ian Runkle for pointing this out.)

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commented 2016-03-03 09:32:33 -0500
Peruse the Middle East /middle Africa etc government “Authorities” criminals disarmeD population, Unprecedented slaughter carried over biblical days! This tyranny UN controlled despot in power now will try duplicate middle east genocide ripe conditions here! The indoctrinated police/rcmp courts will be the sword for distruction of the few remaining waterdowned freedoms we have left..
commented 2016-03-01 08:01:43 -0500
Guns and revolutionary ideals are very dangerous, and must be suppressed with all the powers governments can muster, and beyond. Political submission is the key to a functioning democracy, with majority rule and minority’s rights. It’s okay to descent, in a lawful manner, but submission to the Natural Governing Party is essential
commented 2016-02-29 19:50:37 -0500
Good job, Brian. We need to be ever watchful for Gun Zombies. They never sleep and never think, only seeking to spread fear and grab up guns.
commented 2016-02-29 16:46:41 -0500
So what the RCMP is saying is: "If we cant get a warrant to search your home. WELL FLOOD YOUR TOWN AND SEARCH IT ANYWAY.
commented 2016-02-29 16:22:43 -0500
Commish Ryan: STILL waiting for the release if the Report on the High River gun grab along with the attendant property damage. Still waiting……
commented 2016-02-29 15:10:08 -0500
BRAVO ZULU;
It was the realistic implications of what you said that scares the hell out of me – I have some experience of not being listened to.
Revolution seems inevitable, but I can’t help thinking about the Lavoy Finicums lying dead in the snow, murdered by government back-shooters and dry-gulchers, and the Bundy’s sitting in a jail cell for standing up, PO’d and righteous – betrayed by the fascist left under a Constiutional Republic.
I guess Jefferson’s tree is going to be watered, one way or another.
I’ve never really understood if ‘May you live in interesting times’, was a blessing or a curse…
commented 2016-02-29 14:27:58 -0500
@ Dan Mancuso commented 1 hour ago
BRAVO ZULU ;
Based on your past comments I get the impression you’re an upstanding, patriotic, rational kind of man, and one not to be f**ked with! Your post today kinda scares the hell out of me though…
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Dan, as I sit in a nasty little desert camp tonight watching a UAV TV screen and ground control station, I can assure you that I am not talking about me.

However there is – someone out there right now – somewhere – who is PO’d enough to do as I wrote.

All because he is tired – for whatever reason – of not being heard

That is how revolutions start

One man PO’d enough to make something happen.

And when he does – after despite his best efforts to be heard – being ignored to the point he is driven to act – all of the people wake up and go “What the hell just happened?”

So be afraid – be very afraid because this is how it seems to be going.

If you are unemployed and about to lose your home – and you see the Radisson Hotel full of welfare recipients living better than you – only because of their race and culture and religion – and YOU have worked all your life to get as far as you have gone today – and you are going to lose it all through no fault of your own and no one or no government will help you – that will possibly anger someone enough to do something drastic.

I truly believe it is coming.

Canadians will have a life changing experience in this country while under the selfie boy rule.

So, you had better be afraid.

A lot of people could prevent this – however that might mean they have to actually LISTEN to someone who wants to be heard. And actually do more than pay lip service to him/her.

Re-read my story on democracy and the dangers of ignoring the voter – it is quite true and not many think about it.

Be safe.
commented 2016-02-29 13:11:56 -0500
The subject of Texas came up and I just couldn’t resist the temptation to take a shot at the left’s stance against responsible private citizen’s owning and….. GASP….. even carrying firearms. All I’m saying is that the bad guys seem to tread lightly in Texas. Funny about that.

Dan you may rest easy
commented 2016-02-29 13:01:26 -0500
Disarming law-abiding citizens is a part of their strategy, and they are going to do it in gradual steps, one at a time, divide & rule. It’s for their ‘own’ safety they want to take our guns & not for the protection of ordinary Canadian.
Politicians are paving way for a revolution in Canada, most of their policies & spending favour people who are NOT Canadian and will never be Canadians even if we provide them with Canadian citizenship cards & passports. Right now the biggest issue & threat to Canada (and all Western nations) is from immigration but nobody is addressing this issue. In USA there’s Donald Trump, in France there’s Marien Le Pen of National Front, Nigel Farage of UKIP in UK, Geert Wilders of Netherland, Jacqui Lambi & Kirralie Smith from Australia speaking against islamisation & unrestrained immigration. In Canada, like Sweden, Denmark & Germany not even one politician is speaking against islamisation and uncontrolled immigration. Under Conservatives 600,0000 mohammedan come into Canada, doubling their population in just 9 years. Stephen Harper, though in my opinion a very capable statesman & the best PM, failed or ignored to fix the immigration & Firearms law issues.
There is limit to tyranny, you can’t push the whole population to servitude, despite of the rampant indoctrination of our children in schools there always will be some free minded souls who’ll resist despotism, even without firearms we can still fight & make these tyrants pay for their crimes.
Politicians, their minions & bureaucrats fancy when there’s an uprising they’ll be safe behind their gated communities protected by well armed, paid goons (police). Political class is shrewd & cunning they think they could control the thoughts of majority (through media) but I believe they haven’t taken any lesson from history and don’t understand human nature.
commented 2016-02-29 12:47:29 -0500
BRAVO ZULU ;
Based on your past comments I get the impression you’re an upstanding, patriotic, rational kind of man, and one not to be f**ked with! Your post today kinda scares the hell out of me though…
In defense of my gun rights, under the Harper Conservatives, I was willing and even felt compelled to express sentiments similar to ACUUNA’s on the sometimes jack-booted thuggery of Canada’s own para-military and other police forces at the behest of totalitarian actions by a government – maybe not so challenging of authority and adamant…and setting myself up for a 3:00 AM visit by a SWAT team. I have never been shy about using my name and face to back up what I say.
But under the Trudeau Liberals…well, I kinda expect one of those early morning visits now in response to my past assertions – at some point…
I am all for law and order and am pro law enforcement – except when they are criminals or fascists.
I ain’t no pussy and never have been, I believe in fighting for my rights. I abhor violence – until it becomes necessary – and the idea of ‘tossing a grenade’ at a fellow Canadian – even one of Justin’s ilk – causes me no end of pain and turmoil.
Given the progression of events in Canada and the Western world of late, and what appears to be a clarion call by some, is what really scares me. I hope you are wrong…and I hope I’m just reading more into what I’m seeing than what the reality is…
Is there an equivalent to the Gadsden flag in Canada, if there is I’d hang it up beside my upside down Maple Leaf!
commented 2016-02-29 12:39:39 -0500
In Canada a terrorist got through security to the doors of the Commons armed with only a Winchester.

In Texas two terrorists armed with AKs were taken out by one cop with handgun.

Don’t see many mass shootings in Texas either, other than a Fort Hood where the Federal government disarmed their troops in a time of war.
commented 2016-02-29 12:25:11 -0500
There can be no good intentions where so called gun control is concerned. To even mention “controlling” something that the state has no right to control is the action of a tyrannt.

In Texas, we carry licenced side arms, along with the appropriate permits. We are allowed to. The Second Amendment is the most significant line item of the greatest document ever conceived because it recognizes that citizens own the right to defend themselves and, if need be, order the destruction of their governments. If elections fail, force of arms is required. As a newly minted citizens of the US, and resident of Texas (Truly the greatest place on Earth) I carry my sidearm with pride. As a citizen, I have been trusted with a tremendous responsibility, where in the event that myself or a fellow citizen is in deadly peril, say, from an Islamist, it is my duty to dispatch that terrorist to Judgement. As that recent terrorist attack in Texas proved, the one where the assailants were stopped and killed before they could do harm, terrorists coming to Texas will fail and they will die. The whole state is armed and ready for battle.

Come to Texas and do your worst – if you dare.
commented 2016-02-29 12:04:41 -0500
After high river the gov including the rcmp seem to be intent on making regular people criminals. The high river search will never ever be resolved to many politicians at the upper levels of the rcmp. They might as well be the armed wing of the liberal party. Take your guns you bet they would first chance they get. The upper rcmp brass are politicans not cops. Any gun control will be directed at those of us who have broken any laws, no doubt the gangs will still be free to terrorize who ever they want. Try something new and PUT CRIMINALS IN JAIL WHO USE GUNS STOP LETTING THEM OUT. Deport the ones who do if they are an immigrant. Very simple. But instead what we will get is more endless rules laws bylaws more useless shit that helps no one or makes anyone any safer. The amount of ghost guns in alberta alone is huge, no body especially after high river will ever register anything. As bravo states oil em up stock up on ammo and keep them well hidden.
commented 2016-02-29 11:53:29 -0500
Not a doubt in my mind this bill will ever be passed, It will never be passed because :

A) it is a private member’s bill which historically have less than a 1% of passing
B) it is an opposition member’s bill which crashes that 1% chance to an infanitisimal chance
C) the police want to write this law

- so the worry about details, at this point, is paranoid speculation. It is more productive to focus attention on the macro issue rather than the minute details of the mechanisms.

The fact is that in Canadian law things which are deemed “illegal” must be fully defined in statute – not as a nebulous group of things but if it is something like a firearm, by make model and technical features.

Again, any capricious interpretation or arbitrary regulating resulting in loss of lawfully owned/obtained property or loss of property value is actionable and the government is fully liable for these costs. Evert time a common firearm is prohibited or reclassified as restricte, there is actionable loss compensation – owners have not been doing this, It needs to be done.
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This overbearing police state obsession with banning civilian firearms ownership is a political mania – but it is a government insanity which they must be prepared to pay for. You want to confiscate or devalue property – you must compensate the lawful legal owner who bought it legally and owned it legally until these manic law change rendered it valueless. THAT IS THE LAW!

This is why there are so many nebulous regulations left in the firearms act and regulatory regime, and why these are arbitrarily “interpreted” by police outside the proper jurisdiction of the courts – its because these treacherous thieves want to confiscate or devalue Canadians lawful property without paying the legally demanded compensation due the lawful owners – it is institutionalized theft and it makes the police and government no better than the thieves and frauds they arrest.

Changing a few words in the act will not stop this – only mass class action can.
commented 2016-02-29 11:48:05 -0500
@ Bravo Zulu
try copying/pasting my name next time.
commented 2016-02-29 11:42:27 -0500
@ Bravo Zulu
you and I both know what is coming. we have seen it before. I don’t want it but I am up for a fight. I love my country but I hate what it has become.
commented 2016-02-29 11:35:36 -0500
acuuna commented 10 mins ago
take all the guns if you pussies think you can.
we can cook C4 and C5 in our kitchens.
one thing i learned from the middle east is the effectiveness of IED’s.
how many did little timmy mcveigh take out with some diesel and fertilizer? oh ya …168 with 600 wounded.
stop thinking we are stupid sheep. you pigs are the stupid ones…
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Getting uptight today accunna?

Sun is getting low on the horizon here and I thought I might have a look at the comments

Canadians and firearms

They are such pussies.

IEDs – yes my friend they are cost effective and difficult to find – made our lives hell in some parts of the world.

People have no idea how the average citizen is easily herded for a long time.

Here is a thought for you on democracy.

The little guy is PO’d and writes a letter to his government to complain. The letter is ignored and shredded. The little guy waits for a response and then writes another – somewhat annoyed at being ignored. His next letter is ignored and shredded and the little guy who is a law-a-biding citizen gets a little more annoyed at being ignored by the entitled and smug of Canada. He waits and writes yet again and is ignored. All the while the law-a-biding citizen continues to write and to be ignored. The law-a-biding citizen eventually becomes enraged at being ignored.

So he tosses a grenade. And the world becomes upset that this POS threw a grenade. They do not know that for years he was open to a discussion but was ignored at all times. In fact throwing that grenade was his only recourse!

The entitled, spoiled, smug politicians were not only at fault for ignoring the tax payer, they in fact deserved the treatment they were given by that now criminal citizen who threw the grenade.

Morale of the story?

You cannot ignore the population forever because someone will eventually throw a grenade.

And YOU might be the political idiot that is on the receiving end.

Ignore and tread upon the citizens at your own risk.

The US of A is finding this out now – huge changes coming all because of the arrogance of their leadership.

We will see it here as well – I fully expect to see violence down the road – and I fully expect to see surprise on the faces of those it is directed at.

After all they have no idea what is happening around the kitchen tables – and if they did?

They would not listen.

At least not yet.

Cheers
commented 2016-02-29 11:15:14 -0500
“and this little piggy cried oink oink oink …. all the way to the morgue”.
commented 2016-02-29 11:09:51 -0500
take all the guns if you pussies think you can.
we can cook C4 and C5 in our kitchens.
one thing i learned from the middle east is the effectiveness of IED’s.
how many did little timmy mcveigh take out with some diesel and fertilizer? oh ya …168 with 600 wounded.
stop thinking we are stupid sheep. you pigs are the stupid ones…