November 29, 2016

Why it’s time to end the minimum wage

Jay FayzaRebel Columnist
 

On my university campus, I have seen young socialist clubs advocating for a minimum wage increase, or what they call a “living wage” increase.

But should we even have a minimum wage at all?

Firstly, it’s immoral for government to force someone to make any transaction against their will. If companies want to pay their employees $11 an hour, or $10 an hour, that’s their choice to make.

What is the point of having a "living wage" when it makes employers cut back on workers' hours, hire fewer employees, raise prices, and even shut down completely if they are too small to compete?

It’s kind of ironic that young socialists are unknowingly supporting big business with these policies...

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commented 2016-12-03 19:53:35 -0500
Lloyd Dettering, HE’s a brainwashed moron? Everything he says is absolutely correct. Not every small business make the profits of a Walmart. Cutting back employees,and laying off staff, is exactly what happens within any small business, when the government dictates that all employees must make the same wage (much like a Union). If I feel an employee is worth $15, then I’ll pay that. If they are borderline effective, I should be allowed to pay them $10. If they don’t like it, then they’ll move on, and I’ll have room to give a raise to a more effective employee. There’s only so far a business can increase it’s costs before it’s customers move on (e.g. to a Walmart). That is their right. It’s enough of a balancing act without the government pandering for votes, and sticking their nose into where it doesn’t belong.
commented 2016-12-02 20:50:18 -0500
I’m reconsidering my subscription to The Rebel after listening to this brainwashed moron.
commented 2016-12-02 20:44:45 -0500
If there was no minimum wage, then employers would exploit workers competing for scarce jobs. There will always be those who will work for less so they could have a job when jobs are scarce. Shut your stupid mouth, Jay!
commented 2016-12-01 02:45:29 -0500
Jimmy many people will not take jobs that pay 15 an hour, try living in reality.
commented 2016-11-30 19:26:18 -0500
If you say so Jimmy. I have said my piece. I believe you are wrong in your assumptions.
commented 2016-11-30 17:09:14 -0500
Liza,

Companies are not treating their employees well now – they certainly won’t start if there is no minimum wage. Millions of people are desperate for jobs and will take ANYTHING – companies hold all the power. It’s only going to be competitive when the unemployment rate is extremely low and so McDonalds may offer a buck more than Burger King for example.

The reality of life is that there are people who either can’t afford to improve their skills by going to school or simply don’t have to mental capacity to do so.

As I said before, we need people in this world to do the shitty jobs that nobody actually wants to do, so let’s at least make it so they can make a living if they are going to be doing that job for the next 30 years.

I am not sure how old you are, but I suspect minimum wage has been around in Canada longer than you have been alive and it’s worked just fine. Interestingly enough, the minimum wage is higher in Canada’s conservative Texas Jr. over most other parts of Canada – even evil Ontario.
commented 2016-11-30 13:32:06 -0500
A business or company can try to pay nothing. A restaurant or gas station can try paying their employees nothing, but they won’t keep any employees. As long as we keep TFW’s out of the equation they won’t GET any employees in the first place. Why? Because any employer who wants to run a successful and headache free business (as far as that is possible) will treat good employees well.

Equal opportunity is all that can or should be expected. If you want a more profitable experience in the workforce, improve your skills and move up in the world. Even if not all people can become ‘doctors or lawyers’ they can always apply themselves well and work towards a raise or a better paying job. Equality of outcome is what you are suggesting Buttercup, and equality of outcome is a Marxist construct.
Wealth redistribution.
commented 2016-11-30 12:45:49 -0500
Peter,

If the minimum wage is removed, what do you honestly think companies will pay when they are already complaining about what they are paying now.

Keep in mind that people who are desperate for any job will take a job that pays 6 dollars an hour – because 6 dollars an hour is better than nothing. So of course they will still get employees if the wage is too low – millions of people are out of work.

We are not exactly talking about the best of the best here when it comes to minimum wage jobs, who can negotiate their own salary and make demands. The free market simply allows low skilled/no skilled people to be taken advantage of.
commented 2016-11-30 11:16:24 -0500
Warren Buffet suggests rather than increasing the minimum wage, which hurts business and kills jobs, that government can raise living standards for low income earners by introducing an “earned income tax credit”. A person earning ten dollars an hour could receive a tax credit of five dollars an hour. Thereby raising effective wages to fifteen dollars per hour.

Fifteen dollars per hour beats welfare, encourages people to work and doesn’t hurt businesses or create job losses.
commented 2016-11-30 09:24:46 -0500
Jimmy said, “The reality is that not everyone can become a doctor or lawyer – we need people to clean toilets, serve us food and do other jobs that nobody wants to do, so if that’s their station in life – they should be able to make enough money to live in a shitty one bedroom apartment, feed themselves, pay utilities and have a couple of bucks left for spending money. I really don’t think it’s too much to ask.”

Jimmy, what you do not seem to grasp is that in a free market where the employer is free to offer whatever wage they wish, they will not get the employees if they offer a wage too low. People will simply go work at the place that offers a higher wage. That will force that “evil money grubbing capitalist pig and corporate monster” to offer more to get the employees he requires. In other words, the employee will be paid what the market dictates.

Socialists do not seem to be able to understand supply and demand. The principle of supply and demand also applies to the work force.
commented 2016-11-30 09:23:53 -0500
JR; I think the are a lot more “good” employers than you want to believe. Presumably you are one of them . It would all shake out as the lousy employers are exposed. BTW, I’ve cleaned toilets on the way up and saw it as service to others. We do what we need to do. Minimum wage by market design only.
commented 2016-11-30 07:49:44 -0500
I don’t know about you, but I never see teenagers working minimum wage jobs, it’s adults working these jobs in retail and fast food for whatever reason.

The reality is that not everyone can become a doctor or lawyer – we need people to clean toilets, serve us food and do other jobs that nobody wants to do, so if that’s their station in life – they should be able to make enough money to live in a shitty one bedroom apartment, feed themselves, pay utilities and have a couple of bucks left for spending money. I really don’t think it’s too much to ask.
commented 2016-11-30 07:30:47 -0500
Liza,

It’s doesn’t have to be one or the other, especially when you are a company that can easily afford to pay their employees more. While it’s too few and far between, some companies have shown that they care about their employees.

I do the same thing myself. I want to pay my employees well and give them a good life, because I give a shit in addition to wanting to make a profit.
commented 2016-11-30 01:52:20 -0500
Andrew Stephenson when you speak of a “fair market” does that include companies hiring who is best for the job even if they are not special groups? Or do you mean fair in the left wing way?
commented 2016-11-30 01:50:23 -0500
the left only pushes up the minimum wage as they know it will be needed for people to pay the carbon tax and other increases they push on us.
commented 2016-11-30 01:47:03 -0500
Jimmy try living in a highly controlled market like a communist state, you do not choose what you do.
commented 2016-11-30 01:45:30 -0500
Andrew Stephenson that is complete and utter crap, TFW’s are supplemented and pushed by the nanny state. And in many cases unions held projects hostage for greed here in ALberta. The POS Justin has people working overtime for TFW’s as we speak, meanwhile EI is overworked and no OT is allowed.
commented 2016-11-30 01:41:37 -0500
Jimmy Reece that is pure BS , they have to pay enough to have people working for them. Taxes are the biggest expense these days, that is not the private sectors fault. And a business needs to make money to survive, it is quite simple.
commented 2016-11-29 23:20:39 -0500
Good short video Jay. I can see you moving up to longer works and interviews since you obviously do your research
commented 2016-11-29 21:42:23 -0500
Couldn’t agree more, Jay – govt interference in the marketplace never, ever ends well. Prospective employees (and employers) should be free to negotiate. One thing you didn’t mention: no matter where the minimum wage is set, it’s still minimum wage. They could raise it to $50/hr, and after a massive economic upheaval and spike in unemployment, the price of goods and services would settle in proportionately higher, and the buying power of that minimum wage would be unchanged. Leftists seem to be utterly incapable of thinking this through – I guess it’s the “thinking” part that trips them up.
commented 2016-11-29 20:07:03 -0500
ALL our rules and regulations don’t mean anything unless you are White. Do you really think the Chinese—as they buy up what ever they want—— pay minimum wage? Do you really think that the Philippians are basking in Minimum wage? Do you really think the Black folk care? Do you really think the White Elite give a damn?
commented 2016-11-29 17:56:19 -0500
‘All they care about is profit/making money.’ Jimmy Buttercup, what else is a business supposed to be in business for? You don’t go into business to do social work.

If an employer doesn’t pay the going wage( which will be determined by the market) they won’t have any employees. As long as they can’t bring workers in from other countries to work at basement rates the free market would take care of any problem. Stopping TFW would be key to the success of such a strategy.
commented 2016-11-29 17:46:11 -0500
I have no problem with that Jay Fayza. If you want to get paid more than the lowest number the market will bear,work harder and do a better job than your co workers. Ask for a raise, find an employer who will appreciate your effort and benefit to him, find another job or get training to get a better job.
I also completely agree with Andrew Stephenson. I think the temporary foreign workers program is a lie, and it hobbles Canada’s unemployed and unskilled. We need to make sure OUR workforce is skilled enough to fill the needs of low and high end jobs, not bring in workers from other countries which Justin just wants to turn into more Canadian citizens. Not one more foreign temp worker until every unemployed Canadian is employed or being trained to fill the need!

Fraser you are onto something capping public sector wages relative to free market wages. We all know unions don’t base anything on what the market will bear. They base their demands on what they think they can get off of our backs, double or triple that number, and that’s what they ask for.
commented 2016-11-29 17:23:00 -0500
An increase to 15 dollars is certainly a debate to have, but you are kidding yourself if you actually think corporations will pay 5, 8 dollars or 11 dollars as opposed to 15 – if they were left to their own devices to pay what they want.

There has to be some line drawn in the sand by government when it comes to wages, because if companies and corporations could get away with paying Canadians 75 cents an hour, they would do exactly that, which is why they pay slave wages in countries that don’t have such laws.

All they care about is profit/making money. They couldn’t care less about their employees or giving them fair pay. They have no interest in doing the right thing by their employees and it’s laughable to suggest that they would still pay their employees well if not 15 dollars.

We have seen what happens when we let the market decide and it’s not been good at all. You are young and naïve, so I can give you a pass there. There needs to be a minimum wage – a bottom line and it needs to be increased with inflation.
commented 2016-11-29 17:16:05 -0500
If you’re advocating for a free market … then let’s make sure it’s truly fair. That means no more TFW, if employers are having a hard time attracting employees they should raise the offerings. Their reluctance to pay market wages (considerably higher than the actual legislated minimum in many locations) is one reason why the TFW program got so out of control in the first place.
commented 2016-11-29 16:01:40 -0500
So, my 16 year old daughter as I forced her to get a job at Tim Horton’s, should have been paid a living wage? She was worth ,not much, when she started - when she finally quit-she was worth a lot more. To this day-she will say that it is the hardest job she ever had in her life and at the time the money was great. When you got nothing and your allowance is gone and unless you work Daddy, pretty much anything looks good.
What my Darling learned from that job—-was that “I am going a an Education because I never want to work like that again”
Now, she has her education and works harder than ever—-but – the pay is good and she is happy.
commented 2016-11-29 14:31:26 -0500
I absolutely agree!!! Raising the Minimum Wage / Living Wage stuff is utter foolishness 💔

People should be Protesting the Evils of High Taxes and Big Government ❤️

In order to Raise Up the Private Sector, YOU HAVE TO Cut Taxes and Government and ADJUST your life to the Private Sector – THAT’S REALITY ❤️

No good has ever come from Leftist Ideology – it IS COMPLETELY GUILTY of CRIMES against Humanity 💔

Leftist ideology = Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Vietnam, Red China – ALL Failures and Disasters – the Population Impoverished while the Leftist ‘Elites’ living high on the Wealth and Prosperity STOLEN from the Population 👎👎👎❤️
commented 2016-11-29 13:56:45 -0500
Fraser, you have a good idea about limiting the maximum wage for public sector workers, but I would suggest the limit be based upon the current rate for the job of the same type found in the private sector for that specific region of the country.
commented 2016-11-29 13:53:56 -0500
Jay, the common sense economics you just described is beyond the comprehension of socialists.

This is the same concept for raising taxes on businesses. The socialists think that will bring in more income for the government, and then cannot comprehend why businesses close down or simply move to another jurisdiction where the taxes are lower.

Really, we have to feel sorry for the socialists because they really are stupid.
commented 2016-11-29 13:49:36 -0500
Jay liked your arguments BUT one thing I’d like the government do is set a maximum wage for government workers like no more than 2.75 times the minimum wage that would be $1263.90 for a 40 hour work week or $65,722.80 after all that’s a living wage. And that goes for members of parliament. We could put up a monitor in the place where they sit and they could attend by SKYPE THUS SAVING THE TAX PAYER

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