April 17, 2016

Is Hiroshima next stop in Obama’s “apology” tour?

David MenziesMission Specialist
 

What would the Obama Administration do for an encore after reaching out to Iran and Cuba? How about sending Secretary of State John Kerry to Hiroshima to continue this weird “mea culpa” tour. 

The city was levelled by a U.S. nuclear bomb on August 6, 1945 which Kerry said made for a “gut-wrenching” reminder of the need to get rid of nuclear weapons. Really?

It’s fashionable for progressives and historical revisionists to condemn the U.S. for using nuclear weapons at the end of WW2 but this view leaves out some important points.

About 140,000 Japanese died directly or indirectly due to the bombing, but historians contend that millions more would have perished if the conflict had continued unabated.

Imperial Japan had no intention of surrendering. The war would have dragged on had the U.S. not dropped a second nuclear bomb on Nagasaki three days later. Emperor Hirohito contended the Hiroshima blast was an anomaly. It was after the Americans proved their nukes weren’t flukes that Japan surrendered.

Having brought the U.S. into the war with a surprise attack on Pearl Harbour, it was the author of its own misfortune but do you think we’ll ever see a Japanese diplomat in Hawaii apologizing for that massacre?

Japan’s conduct in WW2 was egregious. Prisoners of war were tortured, starved, put on death marches, even beheaded and civilian women were gang-raped. The list of atrocities committed by Japan is long. Today, Japan is a G7 ally but don’t forget that some 75 years ago, they were the bad guys.

President Obama will be in Japan next month for a G7 leaders’ summit. Reports say he’s planning a visit to Hiroshima marking the first time a sitting President has ever visited the city. This would be yet another embarrassing sign of weakness by the superpower.

There’s no need for a U.S. president to apologize for a bombing that mercifully ended the war, sparing millions of innocent lives.

America’s lame-duck President needs to stop apologizing for stuff it’s never done.

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commented 2016-04-23 07:03:13 -0400
Acuuna, your ancestors should have fought harder. The US dropped millions of leaflets over Japanese cities warning civilians about the upcoming attacks. Meanwhile an American controlled radio station on Saipan was broadcasting warnings to the Japanese people every 15 minutes. One week later Hiroshima was destroyed. Following the first attack the US once again dropped more leaflets.

America has nothing to apologize for, she gave the people of an enemy nation a chance to flee before the bombings.
commented 2016-04-19 16:53:36 -0400
Here is another great documentary…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-WnLNLe3sk

again showing why the usage of the atomic bombs were not necessary to end the war that was effectively over anyways,
and that the bombs were used only to show the Russian’s how tough America was;
and to act as a real life scientific experiment of the maximum damage and death toll the bombs could bring.

Cliff’s Notes….
Truman regretted using the bomb, and he lived with that shame for the rest of his life.
Truman was mostly the beta male puppet;
with James Byrnes, the Secretary of State, pulling the strings.
Byrnes was ‘in the know’, and filtered selective data to Truman that supported Byrnes’ position.

And Byrnes; ever since learning of the Manhattan project; had for years had his starry eyes set on dropping these bombing on civilian populations with the intent of incurring maximum death to innocent people.

Byrnes is the true mass murderer.
Truman is the shamed weakling who let him do it; and cowardly defended Byrnes against public criticism afterwards, to preserve the integrity of the President’s office.

Truman wanted to leave in the Emperor as a ceremonial figurehead and end the war without the need of the bomb.
Byrnes deceptively and erroneously told him the American public would criticize him for it.
Truman capitulated.

Truman never even signed the execution order; and implored that the bomb was to only to be targeted on military and naval establishments; and demanded that warnings first be issued to reduce the death toll on innocent people.

As for the American soldier casualty myth….
There is no documentation and zero evidence of any research on the topic of how many U.S. causalities would be incurred; except for a Harper Magazine article the year afterward.
Prior to the bombs’ usage, no briefings or paperwork were ever discovered where the Administration had even discussed estimated American casualty numbers.

And as a matter of fact that makes sense, because a large ground invasion was not a needed or useful strategy anyhow at this point. This was always well-known and agreed upon.
Japan was weeks away from inevitable collapse and surrender.
The Russians had committed to an all-on attack within 15 days;
- thus removing even the concept of any need for US troops to be put at risk;
- and documented evidence of Truman’s conversations with Lenin demonstrate this as unequivocal proof.

“Don’t use that third bomb, I don’t want to kill anymore women and children.” —Harry S. Truman, August 1945

@climatefallacy
commented 2016-04-18 12:05:43 -0400
James Scott,

I too have an uncle from that war who received the Burmese Star and Bar.

That is the great crime of Canadian revisionist historians. One would think that Canada had absolutely nothing to do with the Pacific and SE Asia War. One aspect of your uncle’s incarceration was that the Hong Kong Canadian PoW’s were used for neurological experiments: does one find this from Canadian historians? Nope…have to go to American, Australian or British histories to find Canada’s role. Or one has to go to SE Asia to see the graves where there are a number of Canadian graves, even on the Death Railway.

It was not until I started travelling in that region that I found out Canada’s roles; then I started reading real historians as opposed to Canadian historians.

Our revisionist regressive liberal historians instead focus on the transfer of a few proven enemy aliens to Taber and treat it as if these transferees were treated worse than the Japanese treated their prisoners and the civilians of their occupation. (I doubt any of the Koreans, Chinese, Thais, Burmese, etc. of the occupation were sad about those bombs either.) Then we apologize for a logical action in time of war, with no return apology.

Finally, in this rant, we then have to suffer the antics of the faux scientist Suzuki because he was employed in an affirmative action hiring by the CBC, just to add insult to injury by the regressive liberal historians.

mongrel
commented 2016-04-18 11:48:59 -0400
OH Dear, it’s Possible Apology Time again, is it?
I wonder if Obama will ask for an apology from Japan for being the most brutal and devilish nation in military history during WW2? I wonder if the British will apologize to my ancestors (the Acadians) for sending us across the ocean in leaking ships in 1755? We have to wonder if ‘that part’ of the American and Canadian people will apologize at large for voting in the dimwits Obama and Trudeau? We must (think the Leftists) apologize for even thinking of daring to defend ourselves against racists and dictators.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki are one of those times when I still maintain that the USA was right in A-bombing the Japs. It worked, and for a damn good reason. I am also in total support of both Canadian and American policy and practice throughout WW2. The Japanese of 1945 could not be trusted in anything they promised, just like the Muslims today cannot ever be trusted. And Nazism has risen up again. America saved our (and British) asses more than once; give them credit for it. Without American intervention in WW2, we would not be the nation we now are. Period. End of story, folks. Don’t ever apologize for that.

But: Obama still loves kissing the asses of assholes. That’s his legacy.
commented 2016-04-18 11:09:45 -0400
Yokohama. My uncle lies there. He was 17 when he arrived in Hong Kong.
He was starved tortured and abused, ultimately dying of beriberi (apparently).
His close friend who enlisted the same day, unbelievably survived the POW ordeal.
Just a hunch, but I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t agree to apologizing for dropping a bomb to end it.
commented 2016-04-18 10:53:01 -0400
I can’t stand apologists! They think their apologies will make a difference – they don’t!
commented 2016-04-18 10:07:44 -0400
Climatefallacy, most of the time I agree with you. But on this point I do not. I had family members that were servicing in the Pacific. They told one drunk night that they were happy that the bomb was dropped. Because the Japanese soldiers were still fighting with everything they had to the last day and even a few days after. My uncle and his regiment was still attacked three days after the second bomb was dropped. They were are stopping for anything.
commented 2016-04-18 09:57:01 -0400
President Harry Truman warned that if Japan failed to accept the Potsdam Declaration it could “expect a rain of ruin from the air, the like of which has never been seen on this earth.” I cannot begin to imagine such strong words being emitted by Obama.
commented 2016-04-18 08:53:38 -0400
What Climatefallacy and the video don’t mention is that is was allied policy to accept nothing but ultimate, complete and unqualified surrender. PERIOD.

The Japanese may or may not have made overtures to the allies about a cease fire, but that was not acceptable. Their alleged deals included conditions including the guarantee of that war criminal’s status as emperor. A cease fire with conditions; a cease fire while your armed forces continue to fight; a cease fire while still holding , torturing and abusing allied troops was not ‘unqualified surrender’ as agreed upon by the western alliance.

How could the governments of the western alliance face the families of those lost in battle, the families of those imprisoned, tortured and then starved / worked to death; the few prisoners who returned after the war by accepting anything less than the agreed upon ‘total, unqualified, complete surrender’ of Japan? The bombs brought that surrender about. The small requests granted to Japan came after the signatures were on the surrender documents.
commented 2016-04-18 07:09:23 -0400
How are Cliffs notes (Coles notes here in Canada) considered to be facts along with the obviously biased video provided. I can provide reference to any number of articles that claims the notion of an early Japanese surrender is a hoax. Perhaps you are the one that is incorrect and have succumb to a revisionists view of history. I would suggest that you should consider the entire context of the situation that led to the decision to escalate the striking power through the use of the atomic bomb.
commented 2016-04-18 02:47:19 -0400
Most of you guys are incorrect about the decisions that led up to the bomb, including David Menzies.

Watch this documentary to tighten up your facts….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pD2wPo0IZo

Cliff’s notes…
Japan had been trying to surrender for months,
the only thing left was the sticky point detail of if the Emperor should remain in place or not.
The idea of an American invasion of the mainland was never necessary, only one of the many options on the list, but much lower on the list.

The true decision for the use of the bomb was to prevent Stalin’s expanding occupation of the Asian pacific.
If Russia’s expansion wasn’t a factor, then those bombs would have never been dropped.

Stupidly, even after dropping the bombs, the Emperor still got to remain.
Under that condition the Japanese would have surrendered in May, three months earlier.
But the Americans refused to accept Japan’s surrender conditions at that time, because they wanted unconditional surrender.

Plus they wanted to show Russia their new bomb, because Russia’s expansion into Europe and Asia was the bigger issue of concern.
Japan was just a convenient proxy; a way of telling Russia, “we play hardball, now back off”.
Shortly afterwards, Russia canceled their planned invasion of Japan; thus the bombs accomplished it’s real purpose.

It had nothing to do with any more American lives getting lost, since Japan had effectively surrendered anyhow; That was just one of the Whitehouse’s justification narratives.

@climatefallacy
commented 2016-04-17 23:30:08 -0400
To me it seems sad that we would defend the United States’ military policy in WW II even against Britain and Canada.

Pearl Harbour drew the US into the Second World War and understandably so. But Canada had been supporting Britain for years already with full engagement.

By the time Patton was involved in the war, tens of thousands of young Canadians had died.
commented 2016-04-17 23:23:10 -0400
Yes, the Japanese were a ruthless enemy in those days of total war. They started it and there were consequences. The strategic bombing campaign was aimed at destroying the Japanese economy and forcing surrender using every means possible including conventional bombing, incendiary area bombing. aerial mining of navigable waterways and the A-Bombs. General Curtis LeMay, commander of the US Strategic bombing campaign, felt that if an action shortened the war by even one day lives would be saved and it would be worth it. On the day that the Emperor announced the surrender, the Kempei Tai (Japanese Military Police) took fifty captured American airmen out and beheaded them. It was a very nasty time and the A-Bombs were justified…
commented 2016-04-17 23:12:27 -0400
So, can I get the Brits to apologize for starving my family – more than half of them died – those that could came here.

I could stand a nice financial apology if it came my way
commented 2016-04-17 22:17:46 -0400
Hindsight as they say, is always 20 / 20. It is easy for the armchair generals to sit in Mom’s recreation room and assume that because they have mastered ‘Halo’ they are now qualified to judge the actions of people who actually fought a real war.. Bottom line; when you are at war you use whatever weapons you have at your disposal with the aim of ending that war as quickly as possible with the minimum loss of life to your own side. Sorry to all the ‘experts’ who now lament the decision to drop the bomb on Japan as it seems to agitate you so. But we are lucky that men with grit, who had fought for long years against an enemy who gave no quarter, were at the right place at the right time. Because had it been people like those here who make their silly accusations and claims in charge there would have been a lot fewer of us around today.
commented 2016-04-17 21:15:17 -0400
Too bad Patton isn’t around to slap the little suck hole Obama across the face.
commented 2016-04-17 20:48:45 -0400
Yes, let’s all apologize for not being exterminated by the fascists during WWII… Christensen, Kelly, et al, you can lead the chorus!
commented 2016-04-17 19:56:13 -0400
Jim Schulz ,do you know how many of your people shot my people for sport when they came here?
maybe you jim should go read the history about me. look in the native section…
commented 2016-04-17 19:35:38 -0400
acuuna, Do you have any idea how many were killed by the Japanese and how. Give your head a shake! Maybe go learn a little history before making such a comment.
commented 2016-04-17 16:45:34 -0400
I think he should apologize. that was a pretty shitty thing they did to the japs.
but I would apologize and add ,“if you ever pearl harbor us again…blah blah blah … poof…again…”
commented 2016-04-17 15:26:20 -0400
Obama intends to kill the Nuclear Program, He dose not need it. When every thing has gone to plan and the world is controlled by Sharia Law, Nukes will be redundant.

At this time all the left wing Trollops of this world will be happy, until they realize that they too are on the Muslim kill list.
commented 2016-04-17 15:02:44 -0400
Yes, a lot of lives were lost, but many many lives were saved. That war ended in August 1945, but it could have easily went on through 1947 with a full invasion and occupation of Japan. It’s very likely that Japan would have been split in two, like Korea, with the Soviet sector being in Hokaido
commented 2016-04-17 14:59:10 -0400
there is yet another bomb that exploded in Japan that will decimate even more of their population, its called MGTOW. also known as “herbivore men” is basically the new generation of men and boys are avoiding romantic relations with women and this trend is upwards of 60%. this is having a devastating effect on Japan’s economy. men are refusing marriage and having children like never before. you can thank feminism for that I’m sure.
commented 2016-04-17 14:47:33 -0400
IF, Obama gave an “IF And and Buts” speech it would be fine. (If if ands and buts where candies and nuts we all would have a merry Christmas.) meaning if things where different, you didn’t do this, and we didn’t do that we would not have you wouldn’t have and all would have been different speech, So are sorry that things had to be how they where, we feel bad for the lives lost and the situation, but things where what they where, so, If they where different, we wouldn’t have done what we did, wasn’t that terrible,,, sort of speech would be fine.
We should talk about the danger it helps make a Nuke a better deterrent.
commented 2016-04-17 14:47:33 -0400
IF, Obama gave an “IF And and Buts” speech it would be fine. (If if ands and buts where candies and nuts we all would have a merry Christmas.) meaning if things where different, you didn’t do this, and we didn’t do that we would not have you wouldn’t have and all would have been different speech, So are sorry that things had to be how they where, we feel bad for the lives lost and the situation, but things where what they where, so, If they where different, we wouldn’t have done what we did, wasn’t that terrible,,, sort of speech would be fine.
We should talk about the danger it helps make a Nuke a better deterrent.
commented 2016-04-17 14:43:46 -0400
These apologies may not be a bad thing – IF these politicians wouldn’t be handing out BILLIONS of our money as a gratuity with every apology. We can’t look after our veterans and jobless – but handing out public money to despots and thieves like it was loose change! Our present government leaders hav all gone berserk and things need to be “rectified”.
commented 2016-04-17 13:32:24 -0400
David: Really enjoy your clever ability to play with words, e.g. “nukes weren’t flukes”. Keep up the excellent work!
commented 2016-04-17 13:21:01 -0400
@ phillips are you saying the facts about WW 2 in the article are not true,i suggest you read some history
commented 2016-04-17 13:18:33 -0400
CHRIS PHILLIPS commented 2 mins ago

Go fuck yourself Chris, you fucking parasite.